Attention Sherdog: the IV ban is about drugs, not weight

Most of the articles about re-hydrating with water are for a few pounds after a workout or a run, not someone dropping over 10% of their bodyweight with saunas and salt baths.
 
warriorscomeout said:
Yeah. But Sherbros be thinking it's an attack on weight cutting when it's an implementation of current WADA policy. Giving dudes a MMA specific exception doesn't make sense. Time to hit the Gatorade (not water).
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You wonder why most UFC fighters are now fighting at their Natural weight
 
mmafan559 said:
Most of the articles about re-hydrating with water are for a few pounds after a workout or a run, not someone dropping over 10% of their bodyweight with saunas and salt baths.
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wrestlers have been doing this for years and years with same day weigh ins and no IV's. guys arent going to bump up weight class due to IV ban they are just going to have to get smart with their rehydratoin plans
 
Yoville said:
You wonder why most UFC fighters are now fighting at their Natural weight
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Yeah, just look at Rumble, moves up two weight classes and earns a title shot, also fights at HW and beats the breaks off of Arlovski.

I would almost wager the strength fighters think they are gaining by cutting a lot weight is negated by the stress of the cut, both physically and emotionally.

D 1 Wrestler said:
wrestlers have been doing this for years and years with same day weigh ins and no IV's. guys arent going to bump up weight class due to IV ban they are just going to have to get smart with their rehydratoin plans
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Dude we aren't talking about wrestling.
 
IntelligenceQuo said:
I posted about this a couple months ago. Doctors at the mayo clinic said it is easiest and more efficient in extreme dehydration (weight cutters)to rehydrate with iv.
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I would like to read that. Can you post or pm the source?
 
warriorscomeout said:
Plastic in your blood. Damn. Dudes still don't know this.
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masterless said:
Its the 2 year ban if caught so that will likely scare most folks away but I think what may happen are random visits to fighters hotel rooms (UFC provides these hotel rooms right?) and if theres an IV in the room then...someones got some splaining to do.

Also, random IV bag test in blood stream?
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xMyKRo said:
I still don't understand how they will enforce this ban. Like Jose Aldo said, they aren't going to follow him to his hotel room. Or if he goes to a hospital severely dehydrated, they will give an IV.
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Ive said this before but I will say it again, they will NOT test for plastic.

The planned test for transfusions etc was being developed by the WADA Lab in Barcelona. The plan was not to test for "plastic" but to test for DEHP a plasticizer used to soften plastic such as iv bags, tubing etc.

The trouble is, DHEA is also used in other things, plastic carrier bags, food wrapping, plastic wrap, cling film etc and there are many ways that DEHP can get into the system.

In the Alberto Contador case one argument the UCI (International Cycling Union) tried to use was that the high DEHP levels showed he had a blood transfusion. This was very likely but was ultimately dismissed because there are so many other ways for DHEA to get into the system.

WADA then pulled funding for the test, partly because it was not reliable, and partly because surgical manufacturers were moving away from DEHP anyway. The test was never ratified, and without being ratified it cannot be used.

There will be two ways of monitoring IV use.

One, Aldo says they cannot follow him to his hotel room.. OH YES THEY CAN. From 6 hours before weigh in, till 6 hours after your fight you are "in competition" and basically the property of USADA. During this time they can call on you where the hell they like. They can go through your bins in the hotel, and if they find IV bags they can do dna tests on needles etc. For that whole in competition period you are USADA's bitch.

The main way will be via the biological passport. USADA will be taking multiple in and out of competition tests that will build up a profile of the athletes hemotology, steroidal, and endocrinological markers. It will be very clear in the bio passport if the athlete has had a post weigh in iv.



As for the reasons for the ban. Yes. IV is one of the most common ways of either messing with the blood to get a negative test, or along with regular hydration mess with a urine test. This is why they are banned. and it really doesnt matter what peoples opinion, the ban is here to stay. get used to it. stopping people using ped's is more important than the different between iv and oral for hydrating.
 
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Pseudo Sane said:
I would like to read that. Can you post or pm the source?
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Mayo Clinic website says IV in "extreme" / "life threatening"

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Should any athlete be putting themselves into "extreme" or "life threatening" dehydration anyway?

Theres also the logic that of course hospitals rehydrate by iv because its easier for them, and they can also monitor the amount etc.
 
dimspace said:
Mayo Clinic website says IV in "extreme" / "life threatening"

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Should any athlete be putting themselves into "extreme" or "life threatening" dehydration anyway?

Theres also the logic that of course hospitals rehydrate by iv because its easier for them, and they can also monitor the amount etc.
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If you read further about what can create those sorts of 'extreme' conditions, they almost exactly describe weight cutting. Exercise in high temp without sufficient hydration etc.
 
dimspace said:
Ive said this before but I will say it again, they will NOT test for plastic.

The planned test for transfusions etc was being developed by the WADA Lab in Barcelona. The plan was not to test for "plastic" but to test for DHEA a plasticizer used to soften plastic such as iv bags, tubing etc.

The trouble is, DHEA is also used in other things, plastic carrier bags, food wrapping, plastic wrap, cling film etc and there are many ways that DHEA can get into the system.

In the Alberto Contador case one argument the UCI (International Cycling Union) tried to use was that the high DHEA levels showed he had a blood transfusion. This was very likely but was ultimately dismissed because there are so many other ways for DHEA to get into the system.

WADA then pulled funding for the test, partly because it was not reliable, and partly because surgical manufacturers were moving away from DHEA anyway. The test was never ratified, and without being ratified it cannot be used.

There will be two ways of monitoring IV use.

One, Aldo says they cannot follow him to his hotel room.. OH YES THEY CAN. From 6 hours before weigh in, till 6 hours after your fight you are "in competition" and basically the property of USADA. During this time they can call on you where the hell they like. They can go through your bins in the hotel, and if they find IV bags they can do dna tests on needles etc. For that whole in competition period you are USADA's bitch.

The main way will be via the biological passport. USADA will be taking multiple in and out of competition tests that will build up a profile of the athletes hemotology, steroidal, and endocrinological markers. It will be very clear in the bio passport if the athlete has had a post weigh in iv.



As for the reasons for the ban. Yes. IV is one of the most common ways of either messing with the blood to get a negative test, or along with regular hydration mess with a urine test. This is why they are banned. and it really doesnt matter what peoples opinion, the ban is here to stay. get used to it. stopping people using ped's is more important than the different between iv and oral for hydrating.
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DEHP and yes plasticizers (Sherbros won't tell diff). Didn't know WADA abandoned it.
 
Oh and you're the UFCs bitch all the time under random testing. Run from a test and get Wanderlei'd.
 
warriorscomeout said:
DEHP and yes plasticizers (Sherbros won't tell diff). Didn't know WADA abandoned it.
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yes, dehp, brain fart moment. Far too many abbreviations

last heard they pulled the funding
http://www.cyclingnews.com/http:/www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-refuses-funding-for-plasticizer-test/

note. they did continue with research into "alternate" routes, Lausanne lab was also doing research, but theres nothing been published that says any tests have been ratified at all.

a bit from 2012

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/widespread-plasticizer-clouds-doping-tests-cyclists/
 
D 1 Wrestler said:
wrestlers have been doing this for years and years with same day weigh ins and no IV's. guys arent going to bump up weight class due to IV ban they are just going to have to get smart with their rehydratoin plans
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Wrestlers base weight and fat% is measured at the beginning of the season. They can only flux so many pounds in either direction from that.

Theres a difference between weight loss and weight management. Wrestlers do more management because they cant do large percent weight loss..

Link from NCAA site
 
"USADA adheres to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code when it comes to prohibited substances, and that prohibited list bans “intravenous infusions and/or injections” of more than 50 milliliters, which is less than two ounces, in any six-hour period. It makes an exception only for athletes who have received a therapeutic-use exemption, or for those who received the IV “in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations.”

“If you need an IV to rehydrate from your weight cut, you’re in the wrong weight class,” Foster said. “I mean, seriously. When you lose that kind of weight in that short of a time period, you’ve basically had a traumatic event. And then you’re putting all this weight back on, then the next day another traumatic event, called a fight.”

"It’s with this in mind that the CSAC has crafted rules for amateur fighters to help determine a minimum safe fighting weight, below which they won’t be allowed to compete. There are no plans to extend that to pro fighters “at this time,” Foster said, but he believes IV use has enabled a certain mindset among fighters that promotes severe weight cuts."
 
Are there any peer published studies/reports on rehydration in sports?
 
The fighters will have to just revamp their cutting strategy
 
Rectal re-hydration is the quickest way to re-hydrate a conscious person, truth. IVs are really for emergencies and not just general re-hydration.
 
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