Aspinall being a huge favorite vs Jones is absolutely insane to me

[pseto223]

No you guys won't. You'll just rage around hating on Jon and saying Tom was a nobody. We've seen this story over and over.

If Jones ragdolls Aspinall on the ground and finishes him there, people would be like - "Well, who has Aspinall fought anyway, he didn't face a proven wrestler, he was another British hypejob", etc. 100% that'll be the case.

And lets not kid ourselves, Gane wasn't a legend & Stipe is 42 years old and showed up for the paycheck.

C'mon man, that's bullshit. Stipe ate 30 hard elbows in the first and continued into the third, until he was completely finished. If he "just showed for the paycheck", he would've given his back right after the takedown and let Jones RNC him. Stipe was there for the win, he was just too old and too finished.

 

[HHJ]

I mean

I mean I have a life outside of internet. Sorry I cant make 150,000 posts on the internet like you did. What a beautiful and good use of your time sir. I salute you for that.

Youre definitely the OG here on this internet site I gotta give it to you LOL.

Bow down and I shall dominate you. Thats the life you have.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Comparing Fedor to Jones is funny. I mean I know what youre talking about when it come to that aura of invincibility I guess but Fedor never had the attributes that Jones has.

What attributes?

Jones has been training since he was a child too. Go ask olympic Cormier who is and was pretty much top #3 in the UFC for his wrestling and watch how easily Jones handled him.

Yeah, I mentioned Cormier.
I mentioned him because Cormier was an olympic-level wrestler, but keep in mind Cormier wasn't 100% because of that weightcut.
I'd bet Aspinall at 260 pounds with 25 years training BJJ would be more effective at negating Jones's wrestling than 225 pound Cormier.

You comparing Jones to Fedor right at the start doesnt make sense. Come up with better please.

Don't make it seem like I'm saying they're the same. I said they have a very similar intimidation factor, mainly due to their undefeated records.

 

[lerobshow]

Bow down and I shall dominate you. Thats the life you have.

You do have the internet on lockdown I give it to you.

Have a good day behind the screen I gtg.

 

[HHJ]

You do have the internet on lockdown I give it to you.

Have a good day behind the screen I gtg.

Delete this thread before you go. QUITTER

 

[AstralPanda]

I agree with everything you said.

I think these tend to be more common takes amongst the more educated fans and minds in the sport, martial artists and fighters who understand these things in more nuanced and tangible ways.

Things you hear in fan circles is very different from what we hear from the actual fighters themselves, which makes it clear exactly which side of truth and history many people are on.

People think they understand, but they cannot see past their own biases, which frequently reaches cult like levels of derangement and extremism.

 

[Brigfa2]

This is no different than 37 years old Khabib against Shavkat and 37 years old GSP against Khamzat. People always forget Jones was a LHW

 

[GearSolidMetal]

C'mon man, that's bullshit. Stipe ate 30 hard elbows in the first and continued into the third, until he was completely finished. If he "just showed for the paycheck", he would've given his back right after the takedown and let Jones RNC him. Stipe was there for the win, he was just too old and too finished.

'Just showed up for the paycheck' is simplifying it.

Would Stipe would rather have won? Yes.
Was he willing to take punishment to win? Yes.
Was he comfortable with losing, and taking a big paycheck into retirement? Very much so.
He already said he was going to retire win or lose, so if he wasn't planning on a big payday as champion with another fight.

 

[lerobshow]

I think these tend to be more common takes amongst the more educated fans and minds in the sport, martial artists and fighters who understand these things in more nuanced and tangible ways.

Things you hear in fan circles is very different from what we hear from the actual fighters themselves, which makes it clear exactly which side of truth and history many people are on.

People think they understand, but they cannot see past their own biases, which frequently reaches cult like levels of derangement and extremism.

You see guys like you need a bigger platform. Because you know what you are talking about. Not like these guys with 155k posts (lmao what a life).

 

[Jose Beehive]

I do wonder about Aspinall’s black belt and whom he has sparred with in BJJ.. like surely Wigan doesn’t have the same level of competition (never mind @ HW)as like Jackson Wink, Jons rolling with Gordon Ryan and shiz.

 

[Iroh]

A side that's definitively chosen with no middle ground

Is a side that lacks nuance, depth and ultimately produces inferior analysis.

The truth often exists in that middle ground and grey area. But people have been taught to think in this two party system kind of way. Once they align with a side, it becomes like a cult. Now they're obligated to hate and argue against the other side. It becomes full of bias and emotionality, with little grounds for objectivity.

The truth is, there's many ways Jones and aspinall could go. Many possibilities to consider, with many of them having validity in their own ways.

We only know as much as our questions and strong convictions without deep scrutiny tends to be the mark of a foolish man.

And you're caught up in it too. You have a tendency to be dismissive from the start and blame it on people hating Jon, before having had a real conversation.

 

[lerobshow]

I do wonder about Aspinall’s black belt and whom he has sparred with in BJJ.. like surely Wigan doesn’t have the same level of competition (never mind @ HW)as like Jackson Wink, Jons rolling with Gordon Ryan and shiz.

Thats actually a really great point.

We all know they used to give black belt around. Having a guy like Gordon behind you absolutely plays a big role.

 

[Jose Beehive]

Thats actually a really great point.

We all know they used to give black belt around. Having a guy like Gordon behind you absolutely plays a big role.

Like his Dad is the first British Blackbelt or something.. I dunno, pessimistically he coulda just nepo given it to him early as a fear factor, I’m sure that’s not the case but I’ve not seen enough of Aspinalls early fights or any footage of training BJJ.. I should go to his gym it’s not far from me.

 

[orca]

What attributes?


Yeah, I mentioned Cormier.
I mentioned him because Cormier was an olympic-level wrestler, but keep in mind Cormier wasn't 100% because of that weightcut.
I'd bet Aspinall at 260 pounds with 25 years training BJJ would be more effective at negating Jones's wrestling than 225 pound Cormier.


Don't make it seem like I'm saying they're the same. I said they have a very similar intimidation factor, mainly due to their undefeated records.

stop it fedors best wins where freakin nog and cro cop

if those two guys fought the version of fighters stipe fought
i dont think theyll even be top ten
do you want me to post fedors resume
you can literaly see 90percent of his wins are japanese pro wrestlers lmfao

 

[lerobshow]

Dude you actually put up a very valid and good point. I think after tonight we saw Jones corner which remind me a little bit of GSP corner against Koscheck when he had Dahaner, Firas, Jackson, Nurse.

Chandler actually also had a great team behind him but for some reason everything went flat.

I dont see Jones losing anytime soon. I am not a betting man though im a professional poker player, I bet on nothing. I dont like it. But I will bet everything I have that Jones beat Aspinall.

Like his Dad is the first British Blackbelt or something.. I dunno, pessimistically he coulda just nepo given it to him early as a fear factor, I’m sure that’s not the case but I’ve not seen enough of Aspinalls early fights or any footage of training BJJ.. I should go to his gym it’s not far from me.

 

[clackers]

Those 'legends' were all far past their prime, but even then Jones probably would have beat them in their primes.... and all of them were LHWs.

And lets not kid ourselves, Gane wasn't a legend & Stipe is 42 years old and showed up for the paycheck.

Jones hasn't put on muscle for HW, or very little, and looks like he's carrying alot of that excess weight around his gut. It was estimated at LHW he got up to 225+ pounds walking into the cage anyway.

Aspinall is a legit 260 pounder, taller than Jones, with the same reach, and there's no question he's faster and punches harder.

You can say Jones is more accomplished, blah blah blah, but that doesn't mean anything in the cage.

You’re wrong he beat Shogun for the belt just after Shogun beat Machinda for the belt. Alot of guys Jones beat were in there Prime or good enough to get themselves into the number 1 contender spot at the time.You forget all Jones fights have been Title defences.

Jones has fought the best and beat the best are you trying to discredit his wins over DC. DC was undefeated when he fought Jon.

Jon has beaten all the best and the legends as well because he has elite fight IQ.

This makes more sense rather than saying Tom is faster and punches harder.

At this stage Tom is just another contender and if they fight we will then know the outcome.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

stop it fedors best wins where freakin nog and cro cop

...In Pride, in both of their primes.
How bad was UFC's heavyweight division at that time? Tim Sylvia was the 2-time champion.

if those two guys fought the version of fighters stipe fought
i dont think theyll even be top ten
do you want me to post fedors resume
you can literaly see 90percent of his wins are japanese pro wrestlers lmfao

You seem to be really focusing on the Fedor name-drop and ingoring the rest of my argument.

BTW, 90% of Fedor's wins were against fighters with significant size, reach, and weight advantages. So don't bother with the argument he was a can-crusher.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

jon is not unbeatable. aspinall possesses the same level of speed and striking that gustafsson had, he weighs more, has better grappling than gus and jon is now 37/38 years old. there's a very obvious reason he's not fighting tom. doesn't mean jon couldn't or wouldn't win, but he's not trying to take toss-up fights at this stage of his career.

 

[wrb]

Like his Dad is the first British Blackbelt or something.. I dunno, pessimistically he coulda just nepo given it to him early as a fear factor, I’m sure that’s not the case but I’ve not seen enough of Aspinalls early fights or any footage of training BJJ.. I should go to his gym it’s not far from me.

I think Tom teaches BJJ and he only has like 15+/- of video (maybe less) combined to watch which would also suck for Jones as I heard he studies the shit out of his opponents. Tom is a beast of a human and he caries the weight better than Jones. I am not saying he wins but there is no question he is in the same league as Jon and also a nightmare for JJ to prepare. That's not knocking Jones its just the reality of the situation because of the lack of actual video to study and the fact that Jones is just a naturally smaller athlete that needs to work at being a heavyweight

 

[Jose Beehive]

I think Tom teaches BJJ and he only has like 15+/- of video (maybe less) combined to watch which would also suck for Jones as I heard he studies the shit out of his opponents. Tom is a beast of a human and he caries the weight better than Jones. I am not saying he wins but there is no question he is in the same league as Tom and also a nightmare for JJ to prepare. That's not knocking Jones its just the reality of the situation because of the lack of actual video to study.

Yeah you’re right about Jones doing his research, he’s self admittedly obsessed with it..
I’m more curious as to how good Toms BJJ actually is though, His Dad in a small town in the North of England known for pies gave him his belt, what is the level of competition and how does that compare to Gordon Ryan and co.
Everybody knows finding good sparring at HW can be tricky in a remote area.
He could be as good as they say, but I’ve personally yet to see much outside of the Arlovski sub. Tom also has a heel hook loss on his record