Media Arman Tsarukyan says Islam looked very bad against Dustin Poirier and that his wrestling and cardio was poor, do you agree?

[RockyLockridge]

Dominating is beating them the entire fight, losing rounds and getting a ko doesn't mean you dominated them. Did Islam dominate poirier because he finished him? No, so why did Ilia dominate max and volk who he was clearly struggling with just because he found a finish?? I think Islam is p4p #1 because Islam ended 11 and 12 fight winning streaks, in comparison Ilia fought Holloway who already lost to dustin and was 0-3 against volk, still a great win but Max is not as dangerous as the version of charles Islam fought who finished dustin(same guy that beat the shit out of max) and Ilia knocked out volk who made a 3 month return after his Islam headkick ko loss. Emett performance is nothing special, Emett is a journeyman who hangs around the top 10 similar to hooker who Islam finished in round 1.

Ok

 

[VinceArch]

Personally I see Charles as some manner of "peoples champ" people always give him any close round or benefit because he's an exciting fighter who is likeable.... I'm guilty of this too with fighters I like Robbie Lawler for example. (Probably lost to condit but whatever)

Armen showed he's superior on the ground and he played in Charles wheel house the entire fight

I don't know if superior is the word I'd use. It took Islam less than 10 minutes to take Charles out whereas Arman won an iffy decision. Regardless, it'll be a good fight next Saturday.

 

[Misanthropist]

Machachev really gotta watch out for everyone who will be anticipating for his predictable takedowns and spent all their effort preparing for this.

It all comes down to cardio when it comes to beating the Dagis IMO as it’s taxing to get back up when they hold you like a glue. Poirier got everything prepared but gave up in the end because of that reason.

 

[volcom5]

Machachev really gotta watch out for everyone who will be anticipating for his predictable takedowns and spent all their effort preparing for this.

It all comes down to cardio when it comes to beating the Dagis IMO as it’s taxing to get back up when they hold you like a glue. Poirier got everything prepared but gave up in the end because of that reason.

Predictable takedowns? Makhachev is entirely different than your average wrestler, hell he’s not even similar to Khabib though everyone wants to make it seem like they are the same. Khabib relies heavily on single legs and doubles, Makhachev incorporates a lot of body locks, trips, sweeps, throws in short Makhachev utilizes more Sambo takedowns.

Cardio isn’t what it’s going to beat them, as they don’t fight to go to a decision. Makhachev actually tries and finishes his opponents when it comes to the ground game, unlike Colby & Usman who focus on positions. Khabib and Makhachev has a vast knowledge of submissions.

I think fighters need to start to study Aldo, Bj Penn and Liddell when it comes getting up & TDD. A fighter like Aldo is what I think will beat Makhachev, hell even in Aldo’s age Merab had difficult time trying to get him down.

 

[SamuraiBro]

You guys complain that no one hypes up fights
Arman talks some trash to hype up the fight and you guys complain lmao.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

True, though I think Tsarukyan might be the better striker at this point actually. His technique looked good against Oliveira, didn't show too much there but also there's the knockout he got on Dariush via the right hand over the top, which is a shot he was landing on the break against Islam

My biggest issue with Tsarukyan is he winds up falling a lot like when Oliveira leg kicked him or when he slipped against Islam

Islam is a far more proven striker - more defensively responsible, better setups, more tools. Just watching him choose and blend striking techniques seems far more nuanced and efficient, he definitely is a more technical striker in how he throws and chooses shots. He can fall over his feet at times with his straight left when he’s comes forward or throwing a right hook, that seems to be his biggest defensive gap (combos when moving forward recklessly).

Arman is more powerful and has some really deceptive speed, but his techniques are pretty much selected at random, he isn’t building methodically and making reads just throwing the kitchen sink (where he does have some cool tricks and powerful stuff). Defensively he is just wide open at times with his movement and positioning, just relies on fast reflexes to level change or slip, not exactly a layered system of defense.

It’s a super cool clash of styles, they really do offer different aspects from similar skill sets, so there’s

 

[aogiri]

His wrestling didnt look the best and there is not much evidence Dustin has improved in the grappling but his striking did look really good against Dustin.

He is going to outstrike Arman pretty easily

 

[Domitian]

Dominating is beating them the entire fight, losing rounds and getting a ko doesn't mean you dominated them. Did Islam dominate poirier because he finished him? No, so why did Ilia dominate max and volk who he was clearly struggling with just because he found a finish?? I think Islam is p4p #1 because Islam ended 11 and 12 fight winning streaks, in comparison Ilia fought Holloway who already lost to dustin and was 0-3 against volk, still a great win but Max is not as dangerous as the version of charles Islam fought who finished dustin(same guy that beat the shit out of max) and Ilia knocked out volk who made a 3 month return after his Islam headkick ko loss. Emett performance is nothing special, Emett is a journeyman who hangs around the top 10 similar to hooker who Islam finished in round 1.

Is there a particular reason you're saying Topuria struggled against Max? He won the first round on 2 judges cards and all 3 judges gave him the 2nd round.

In the Volk fight, it looked like he was being patient in the first round and gathering information. We all know the missile he dropped on Volk in the 2nd round.

 

[Striker Fox]

My 8 year old types by saying shit like "rn". When did sherdog so young and retarded?

It's "eight", retard.

 

[linvillegorge]

I think Poirier is a damn good fighter and Islam fought a good fight and was on his way to winning a UD before securing a finish in the 5th.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Is there a particular reason you're saying Topuria struggled against Max? He won the first round on 2 judges cards and all 3 judges gave him the 2nd round.

In the Volk fight, it looked like he was being patient in the first round and gathering information. We all know the missile he dropped on Volk in the 2nd round.

No, there isn't a good reason for him saying that. It's all just mental gymnastics. there are no logical consistencies revolving around the things he's saying. He says Charles is more dangerous than Max, even though max brutally KTFO Gaethje who is known to be one of the most durable fighters out there. Of course Gaethje violently KO'd Dustin a fight before he fought Islam. also goes unmentioned. He also fails to bring up that Max KO'd Charles himself in one round as well.... Of course that won't count because it was at FW, but Poirier beating Max at lightweight (on short notice) is completely valid. Even though Poirier got slept badly by the same Gaethje that Max destroyed. but Charles is more dangerous than max. Even though Max and Charles both finished Gaethje and Max has a ko win over Charles.

Emmet win is nothing special and he's a journeyman even though he just came off an interim title fight with Yair and is one of the hardest hitting fighters to ever fight at that weight class. Illa won that fight with multiple 10-8 rounds. but A LW champion who is so big he could be the MW champion (supposedly) winning a close fight against the FW champion is just more impressive than Illa KOing that same fighter in 2 rounds, giving him his first loss in the weight class he is actually champion in. Also Islam subbing Charles (who has been submitted in the UFC like 5 times already) is better than Illa Koing a fighter like max, who had never been Ko'd in 20+ UFC fights. The supposed "more dangerous" Charles couldn't even last 5 mins with Max and Dustin could not finish Max in their most recent fight with Max moving up a weight class on short notice. Had to go distance. Yup Makes sense.

It's just so fucking stupid. Every single point he Tries to make is completely fallacious garbage, So in short, his particular reason for saying Illa "struggled" against a max who is less dangerous than Charles even though Max KO'd Charles and this same Max is less dangerous than Dustin, even though Dustin Gets KTFO'd by Gaethje badly and even the first time he fought him faced extreme adversity, while Max beats Justin with flying colours, ending in a KO of the year where he doesn't lose a round...... the reason for all this nonsense is because he REALLY REALLY likes Islam Makhachev (possibly in a romantic homosexual way) So much so that he'll jump through all these hoops JUST TO SAY "Max didn't get dominated by Illa, Max won a round on 1 score card before he got violently disconnected from consciousness for the very first time in his hall of fame career."

I can only respond to that with "Ok." Can't imagine he has the ability to absorb anything else. (other than Islam's dick and accompanying semen , of course)

 

[FrappeDuRocma]

Funny, because I see it more like Islam showed that he can hang with best strikers of the division and even outstrike them, in that fight against Poirier.

Arman better be ready, because Islam is an improved version of Tsarukyan.

 

[Domitian]

No, there isn't a good reason for him saying that. It's all just mental gymnastics. there are no logical consistencies revolving around the things he's saying. He says Charles is more dangerous than Max, even though max brutally KTFO Gaethje who is known to be one of the most durable fighters out there. Of course Gaethje violently KO'd Dustin a fight before he fought Islam. also goes unmentioned. He also fails to bring up that Max KO'd Charles himself in one round as well.... Of course that won't count because it was at FW, but Poirier beating Max at lightweight (on short notice) is completely valid. Even though Poirier got slept badly by the same Gaethje that Max destroyed. but Charles is more dangerous than max. Even though Max and Charles both finished Gaethje and Max has a ko win over Charles.

Emmet win is nothing special and he's a journeyman even though he just came off an interim title fight with Yair and is one of the hardest hitting fighters to ever fight at that weight class. Illa won that fight with multiple 10-8 rounds. but A LW champion who is so big he could be the MW champion (supposedly) winning a close fight against the FW champion is just more impressive than Illa KOing that same fighter in 2 rounds, giving him his first loss in the weight class he is actually champion in. Also Islam subbing Charles (who has been submitted in the UFC like 5 times already) is better than Illa Koing a fighter like max, who had never been Ko'd in 20+ UFC fights. The supposed "more dangerous" Charles couldn't even last 5 mins with Max and Dustin could not finish Max in their most recent fight with Max moving up a weight class on short notice. Had to go distance. Yup Makes sense.

It's just so fucking stupid. Every single point he Tries to make is completely fallacious garbage, So in short, his particular reason for saying Illa "struggled" against a max who is less dangerous than Charles even though Max KO'd Charles and this same Max is less dangerous than Dustin, even though Dustin Gets KTFO'd by Gaethje badly and even the first time he fought him faced extreme adversity, while Max beats Justin with flying colours, ending in a KO of the year where he doesn't lose a round...... the reason for all this nonsense is because he REALLY REALLY likes Islam Makhachev (possibly in a romantic homosexual way) So much so that he'll jump through all these hoops JUST TO SAY "Max didn't get dominated by Illa, Max won a round on 1 score card before he got violently disconnected from consciousness for the very first time in his hall of fame career."

I can only respond to that with "Ok." Can't imagine he has the ability to absorb anything else. (other than Islam's dick and accompanying seamen , of course)

Awww shit, I had stopped reading after those first couple sentences. I didn't see the comment on the Emmett performance. A fight that Ilia won 50-42 on one judges card. A fight that Ilia didn't even really take chances in because of Emmetts punching power.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Awww shit, I had stopped reading after those first couple sentences. I didn't see the comment on the Emmett performance. A fight that Ilia won 50-42 on one judges card. A fight that Ilia didn't even really take chances in because of Emmetts punching power.

Yeah but nothing special taking a top 5 fighter and winning the fight 50-42 while ranked below is "nothing special."


Sorry for the wall of text post btw, just so much garbage to unpack

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

Is there a particular reason you're saying Topuria struggled against Max? He won the first round on 2 judges cards and all 3 judges gave him the 2nd round.

In the Volk fight, it looked like he was being patient in the first round and gathering information. We all know the missile he dropped on Volk in the 2nd round.

Max was landing some big right hands and elbows, on the slow mo replay after 1st and 2nd round he was snapping Ilia's headback and cracking him with shots and the volume of their strikes seemed to go to max. I think Max was slightly ahead, he wasn't clearly winning but Ilia was definitely struggling with him

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

No, there isn't a good reason for him saying that. It's all just mental gymnastics. there are no logical consistencies revolving around the things he's saying. He says Charles is more dangerous than Max, even though max brutally KTFO Gaethje who is known to be one of the most durable fighters out there. Of course Gaethje violently KO'd Dustin a fight before he fought Islam. also goes unmentioned. He also fails to bring up that Max KO'd Charles himself in one round as well.... Of course that won't count because it was at FW, but Poirier beating Max at lightweight (on short notice) is completely valid. Even though Poirier got slept badly by the same Gaethje that Max destroyed. but Charles is more dangerous than max. Even though Max and Charles both finished Gaethje and Max has a ko win over Charles.

Emmet win is nothing special and he's a journeyman even though he just came off an interim title fight with Yair and is one of the hardest hitting fighters to ever fight at that weight class. Illa won that fight with multiple 10-8 rounds. but A LW champion who is so big he could be the MW champion (supposedly) winning a close fight against the FW champion is just more impressive than Illa KOing that same fighter in 2 rounds, giving him his first loss in the weight class he is actually champion in. Also Islam subbing Charles (who has been submitted in the UFC like 5 times already) is better than Illa Koing a fighter like max, who had never been Ko'd in 20+ UFC fights. The supposed "more dangerous" Charles couldn't even last 5 mins with Max and Dustin could not finish Max in their most recent fight with Max moving up a weight class on short notice. Had to go distance. Yup Makes sense.

It's just so fucking stupid. Every single point he Tries to make is completely fallacious garbage, So in short, his particular reason for saying Illa "struggled" against a max who is less dangerous than Charles even though Max KO'd Charles and this same Max is less dangerous than Dustin, even though Dustin Gets KTFO'd by Gaethje badly and even the first time he fought him faced extreme adversity, while Max beats Justin with flying colours, ending in a KO of the year where he doesn't lose a round...... the reason for all this nonsense is because he REALLY REALLY likes Islam Makhachev (possibly in a romantic homosexual way) So much so that he'll jump through all these hoops JUST TO SAY "Max didn't get dominated by Illa, Max won a round on 1 score card before he got violently disconnected from consciousness for the very first time in his hall of fame career."

I can only respond to that with "Ok." Can't imagine he has the ability to absorb anything else. (other than Islam's dick and accompanying seamen , of course)

you seem like a really salty ilia dickriding dicksucking dicklicking idiot, you just completely ignore that volk made a 3 month turn around but give an asterisk to every single one of Islam's wins . If I was half as biased as you I would try to say max had a big weight cut to FW after bulking up to LW so he was disadvantaged against Ilia but I won't say that. Every post you make is bitter towards Islam, I am never bitter towards Ilia, I just think you glaze him which is obvious considering how salty you get.

 

[Domitian]

Max was landing some big right hands and elbows, on the slow mo replay after 1st and 2nd round he was snapping Ilia's headback and cracking him with shots and the volume of their strikes seemed to go to max. I think Max was slightly ahead, he wasn't clearly winning but Ilia was definitely struggling with him

It was very competitive for sure, which honestly is to be expected when you fight a guy who's only lost to Volk at FW since 2013. It's hard to claim though he struggled in rounds he won. That's a tad hyperbole.

 

[RockyLockridge]

you seem like a really salty ilia dickriding dicksucking dicklicking idiot, you just completely ignore that volk made a 3 month turn around but give an asterisk to every single one of Islam's wins . If I was half as biased as you I would try to say max had a big weight cut to FW after bulking up to LW so he was disadvantaged against Ilia but I won't say that. Every post you make is bitter towards Islam, I am never bitter towards Ilia, I just think you glaze him which is obvious considering how salty you get.

I've responded logically to every single thing that you've said. You just make shit up to get your "point" across like "charles is more dangerous than max" and "a 50-43 win over emmett is nothing special. Don't worry you won't have to respond to any posts from me after this one.

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

I've responded logically to every single thing that you've said. You just make shit up to get your "point" across like "charles is more dangerous than max" and "a 50-43 win over emmett is nothing special. Don't worry you won't have to respond to any posts from me after this one.

I hope you don't respond, always arguing in bad faith because you hate certain fighters, moron

 

[HHJ]

I dont think he looked bad at all.

People just hold Islam to Khabib's standard.

Khabib is a much more dominant and agressive personality and he's the same in the ring. Even if his fight went to the decision, he doesnt let the opponent get back into the fight.

Islam in real life is a laid back guy

And in the ring Islam sometimes gets too comfortable in there when he should just put the guy away, and he let Porier get back into the fight when he shoulda been outta there already.

Islam was tired in the 5th but he coulda finshed ahead of time if he was more like Khabib.

But Khabib is his own entity. Forged in the fires of Mount Gora Addala-Shukhgel'meer

But I dont hold it against Islam for not being as good as Khabib. That's just normal.