Media Ariel sh*** on Jon , says he is not GOAT

rstringer said:
Name is one other sport where ped use does not disqualify you from GOAT consideration?
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Body building Jiu-jitsu, I would also argue Cycling as so many athletes have been caught.

PEDs are pretty arbitrary, we allow some substances that without question enhance performance and then have chosen for what ever reason that others are too enhancing so they are not allowed. At the end of the day its a spectator sport. I want to see the best product. I believe often times the doping methods are ahead of the tests so I'm willing to bet way more athletes are using than we know about.
 
Travis Alexander said:
Watching you clowns jump on Helwanis d🤣ck because he has the same shit take as many of you is hilarious. Jones is the mma GOAT it’s really not even a debate.

<JonesLaugh>
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Imagine thinking it isn't a debate

Having your own pick is fine

But it's 100% a debate

There are a few contenders worthy of debate
 
Cameron said:
Body building Jiu-jitsu, I would also argue Cycling as so many athletes have been caught.

PEDs are pretty arbitrary, we allow some substances that without question enhance performance and then have chosen for what ever reason that others are too enhancing so they are not allowed. At the end of the day its a spectator sport. I want to see the best product. I believe often times the doping methods are ahead of the tests so I'm willing to bet way more athletes are using than we know about.
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You are right . That is why Lance Armstrong is still such a celebrity.
 
rstringer said:
You are right . That is why Lance Armstrong is still such a celebrity.
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I mean again, I'm not so much defending PED's. It's more that GOAT debates are always up to interpretation. You can come up with arguments against and for any fighter in the discussion. This is where it comes down a little bit to personal preference and what do you value as a fan. For me I like true martial artists I think GSP embodies that better than anyone in the discussion so for me he's the GOAT. But if someone argues that Jon or Fedor deserve it more I will never argue back much because that's clearly what you value.
 
I don't think PEDs are banned just because they can improve an athlete's performance.

Most are banned because 1. most of them aren't tested for long-term effects like other drugs, and 2. because a huge number of former dopers have died far too early, and in many cases, it was related to the PEDs they took. So, at least 50% of the reason they're banned is because they can also cause extreme harm to the person taking them.

All that money is useless if I die sooner than necessary because of PEDs and the supposed benefits they provide.
 
Marko Polo said:
Disgusting rationalisation - to attempt to tarnish every other guy on the roster to justify your own feelings towards one fighter. You’re biased you bought into the hype years ago bud. Them stories about Jon picking up spinning techniques and mastering them within a day worked too well on you.
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I have been at most of the big camps. Spent a decade and a half between ATT, AKA, Blackzilians, Legends etc etc. I have a pretty good understanding of the ped landscape at the highest level. I wouldn’t snitch out any specific people but I’m not speaking from a place of hate or ignorance just from experience.
 
laleggenda27 said:
Jones's entire prime is shrouded in PED accusations and failures. He can never be the GOAT, in the same way Barry Bonds can never be the baseball GOAT. The seemingly clean versions of them were great, but nowhere near the PED versions.
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Fans from 15 years ago is not going to care about the drug tests cause all our favorite fighters back then were on the juice and we all knew and didn’t care. There’s a bigger divide there than you think
 
Travis Alexander said:
I think many of you would be shocked to realize how many fighters juice. I used to be pretty naive about it but our sport is wrought with it. I would be shocked to find a top5 guy at any weight that isn’t on something banned. I’ve seen more than my share over the last couple decades.
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Even if that's the case, don't you find it strange that Jones has multiple drug offenses?
 
jones is gonna go all rampage and start terrorizing ariel every time he sees him.
 
oski said:
Who understands this shit better? GSP and Khabib and so many more actual fighters... or a shitstirring little weasel?
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Agreed. But the weasel is right.
I lived with a Jewish Canadian guy for awhile when I was training. He was identical to said weasel. Interesting folk
 
If Ariel keeps chalking up wins like this Dana will have to put him in the UFC HOF
 
Good old fired by ESPN and banned from the UFC 4 life Ariel Helwani.
 
Travis Alexander said:
I have been at most of the big camps. Spent a decade and a half between ATT, AKA, Blackzilians, Legends etc etc. I have a pretty good understanding of the ped landscape at the highest level. I wouldn’t snitch out any specific people but I’m not speaking from a place of hate or ignorance just from experience.
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Finally -the voice of reason and reality. Guys use so much gear in all competitive sports there is entire industry just to get around it
 
Travis Alexander said:
Watching you clowns jump on Helwanis d🤣ck because he has the same shit take as many of you is hilarious. Jones is the mma GOAT it’s really not even a debate.

<JonesLaugh>
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LOLOLOL go floss teeth jones nut hair stuck. Sleerrrp slerrrrp. ANY TIME ANY PLACE I FUCK YOU SILLY GAYBOY. you and Jonny love bareback together, bareback lovers.


PS didn’t Jodi kill you? LOLOL

WOOD!!!
 
JJ was unashamedly my GOAT even with the PED’s and eye pokes. But the way he’s dealt with this whole Aspinall situation has caused me to jump ship. Wouldn’t even put him in my top 5 now. I’d have more respect for JJ if Aspinall KO’d him stiff in 5 seconds rather than this clown show.
 
GoWokeGoBroke said:
LOLOLOL go floss teeth jones nut hair stuck. Sleerrrp slerrrrp. ANY TIME ANY PLACE I FUCK YOU SILLY GAYBOY. you and Jonny love bareback together, bareback lovers.


PS didn’t Jodi kill you? LOLOL

WOOD!!!
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Firstly, I’m at Fortune Boxing gym in Los Angeles 6x a week at 10am. Just ask for me and we can move around if you’d like everyone knows me there and we can catch a friendly spar (or or a fade if your really about that). Or any sherbro I’m always down to move around or or just train with anyone in the area that’s not on some weirdo shit like this keyboard warrior who quoted me.

Second, Jody killed one Travis and id still smash she’s hot and crazy which is my type 😃
 
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