NFL Are NFL athletes the best in ball sports?

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

You’re only using offensive linemen & defensive linemen as examples. They’re probably weaker than them, but they’re much faster and have more stamina. Not to mention, the strength advantage the trench players have will go away as they don’t have nearly the same amount of endurance as rugby players do. Rugby players are much more well rounded than football players are, but I understand that football is now America’s game and there’s a bias.

Give me the name of a rugby player who did anything other than rugby. the NFL is choked full of wrestlers, basketballes, sprinters shot putters, hurdlers, long jumpers discus throwers.....athletes~~~~ What rugbyite ever did anything else?

If they picked teams what could the rugbyites beat the NFLers in?

 

[Sweater of AV]

Let;s not forget he did very little to help the cause anyone coud have done what he did which wasn't much.

Really a very bad example.

"NFL players are useless and don't really do that much."

-Canzio

Give me the name of a rugby player who did anything other than rugby. the NFL is choked full of wrestlers, basketballes, sprinters shot putters, hurdlers, long jumpers discus throwers.....athletes~~~~ What rugbyite ever did anything else?

Rugby players walked onto NFL fields and won Super Bowls with EASE.

 

[Jonathan Utah]

Give me the name of a rugby player who did anything other than rugby. the NFL is choked full of wrestlers, basketballes, sprinters shot putters, hurdlers, long jumpers discus throwers.....athletes~~~~ What rugbyite ever did anything else?

If they picked teams what could the rugbyites beat the NFLers?

You’re not understanding the point, all those players have a singular role on the football field and then get to sit on the bench when their job is done. Rugby players have so many different roles on the field and don’t take breaks. They don’t have the ability to play another sport because it is so physically taxing.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

"NFL players are useless and don't really do that much."

-Canzio

So you know nothing about football, I knew that,

 

[Sweater of AV]

I concede. You're correct.

Concession accepted.

 

[Jonathan Utah]

I don’t follow rugby at all, but man I can’t believe this is even a discussion.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

You’re not understanding the point, all those players have a singular role on the football field and then get to sit on the bench when their job is done. Rugby players have so many different roles on the field and don’t take breaks. They don’t have the ability to play another sport because it is so physically taxing.

You're the one not getting this.

Footballers came up doing other sports than just football, what else can rugbyites do,yep....nothing.

We have seen future NFLer on the basketball court, on the mat, on the track, the high jump, shot put, long jump. basenall diamond, what about that aren;t you getting, NFLers are better........athletes. Really is very simple.

Give me the name of a rugbyite who can do other things, yep....ya can't because they can't.

And, sure a lot of just standing around waiting in rugby.

 

[Sweater of AV]

I don’t follow rugby at all, but man I can’t believe this is even a discussion.

I think you'd love it to be honest. As an added bonus for you, the French national team is pretty damn good right now. They have tons of elite talent and arguably the best player in the world in Antoine Dupont.

Also, LBB is one of the most exciting young players in the game. Kid's lightning in a bottle.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

What I;m talking about is this

Jim Brown NFL

Brown was born on St. Simons Island, Georgia, to Swinton Brown, a professional boxer, and his wife, Theresa, a homemaker.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Brown#cite_note-14"><span>[</span>14<span>]</span></a> He attended Manhasset Secondary School in Manhasset, New York. Brown earned 13 letters playing football, lacrosse, baseball, basketball, and running track.

See.....football, lacrosse, baseball, basketball, track...............MULTI TALENTED,

That isn't rugby

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Bo Jackson

While at McAdory High School, Jackson competed as a sprinter, hurdler, jumper, thrower and decathlete. His best 100-meter time in high school was 10.44 seconds, but he would later run a 10.39 at Auburn. He also ran the 100-yard dash in 9.54 seconds. As a hurdler, he recorded times of 7.29 seconds in the 55m hurdles and 13.81 seconds in the 110m hurdles. In decathlon, he reached 8,340 points. In the jumping events, he had personal-best jumps of 2.06 m (6 ft 9 in) in the high jump, 7.52 m (24 ft 8 in) in the long jump and 14.85 m (48 ft 9 in) in the triple jump. As a thrower, he got top-throws of 15.27 m (50 ft 1 in) in the shot put and 45.44 m (149 ft 1 in) in the discus throw.<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Jackson#cite_note-21"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a>

Now who can give me a rugbyite that compares to those two NFLers, yep.....ya can't.

Ya but they have more endurance , so what? So does a118 pound Kenya distance runners with arms looking like tooth picks,

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

Mitt Campbell NFL

The 1956 Olympic decathlon gold medalist

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As he finished with most sports, Milt sought to stay active. He started Judo and quickly progressed through the ranks under Yoshishada Yoneska. Yoshishada stated that Milt had a strong chance to make the 1972 Olympic team.

He was also the top ranked hurdler in the world and a great swimmer.

ATHLETES.....is what we see in the NFL guys with a wide range of talents.

Now show me some rugbyites doing other things,

 

[Sweater of AV]

My boy Canzio ducking this post harder than NFL players playing legitimate sports. Maybe he's still trying to figure out why rugby players don't play baseball or something.



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Dan Skipper is the tallest player in the NFL at 6'10" and of course plays on the O-line. It's considered a joke when he does something like line up as a WR.



Of course, nothing screams athleticism like puking because you have dogshit cardio.



Meanwhile, RG Snyman is a shredded 6'9", 290 lbs. This is what he does game in, game out.




Speed, size, strength, agility, cardio, passing, tackling....

Show me any NFL player anywhere near ~ 6'9", 300 lbs whose athletic abilities on the field resemble anything close to what Snyman possesses.

You can't and you won't even bother trying.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

If they picked teams what could the rugbyites beat the NFLers in?

Anything that involves more than 5 second bursts followed by rest? anything that involves ball skills?

So the fact the rugby guys are smaller, slower, weaker and have never played any other sports is ignored, really?

"smaller, slower and weaker" than who? O liners? kickers? wide receivers?

We both know that size, speed and strength in a football team varies by position more than in any other team sport so not sure why you're being disingenuous here. Do you consider LBs, RBs, TEs, DEs etc to be shitty athletes because they are neither the biggest/strongest nor fastest guys on their teams?

Dude all a QB does is throw a football, hahahahahah~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I mean...if we are talking about actual physical tasks...yeah, pretty much. You do get some dual threat QBs but most of them arent particularly fast and you wont see them making tackles, receiving, kicking etc etc.

Its a mentally taxing position for sure, the most in sports, requires you to memorize a ton of stuff. But the PHYSICAL tasks a QB does are very limited. All American football positions are very one dimensional compared to other sports.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Ya but they have more endurance , so what? So does a118 pound Kenya distance runners with arms looking like tooth picks,

Yeah...except they're not 118lb distance runners are they? they're 200-290lb (some even bigger) monsters playing both sides of the ball and full body tackling each other without helmets and pads.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

You’re only using offensive linemen & defensive linemen as examples. They’re probably weaker than them, but they’re much faster and have more stamina.

I think there are gonna be plenty of props who are as strong or stronger than plenty of linemen. The idea that linemen are automatically stronger is based entirely on them being heavier on average, but it overlooks that props are SUPPOSED to be compact and dense for their role, with it not being uncommon to see ones under 6'0, whereas linemen are supposed to be tall and rangey for their role, and are typically 6'5-6'7. A guy who has 270lbs packed onto a 5'11 frame is not necessarily going to be weaker than a 6'6 300lb guy.

Nothing a lineman (either side of the ball) is doing puts more sustained stress on the neck, shoulders and posterior chain than being in the front row of a scrum either.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

I think there are gonna be plenty of props who are as strong or stronger than plenty of linemen. The idea that linemen are automatically stronger is based entirely on them being heavier on average, but it overlooks that props are SUPPOSED to be compact and dense for their role, with it not being uncommon to see ones under 6'0, whereas linemen are supposed to be tall and rangey for their role, and are typically 6'5-6'7. A guy who has 270lbs packed onto a 5'11 frame is not necessarily going to be weaker than a 6'6 300lb guy.

Nothing a lineman (either side of the ball) is doing puts more sustained stress on the neck, shoulders and posterior chain than being in the front row of a scrum either.

Lets do this.....

NFL VS RUGBY

Talking the athletes we have right now.

Both sports pick 20 athletes....

Events

Tug a War
4X1 relay
4x2 relay
4x4 relay
high jump
long jump
shot put
discus
baseball trow distance

Now which teams wins that?

What you aren't getting is the kinds of athetes that end up on football teams.

Wrestlers, track guys basketball players, powerlifters ATHLETES, we don't see that in rugby and yes the rugby guys cannot run with the WR, CB in pro football, no they can't match the power of those 340 pounders.

All I am seeing here is those who don't live in the USA don't get any of that. All they know is rugby, soccer.

I played high school football. ran track, most the team was also the track team, some wrestled, some basketball. You can't say that about rugby.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

See the title of the thread.........best athletes......right?

Give me a rugby/soccer player who won an Olympic gold medal inthe decathlon, yep, ya can't.
Give me a 27 foot long jumper, once again.....nope~
Give me a world record 100m sprinter, ya can't.
Give me an Olympic shot putter, ya can't
Give me a pro baseballer, ya can't
Give me a world record 110 hurdlers nope!
Give me 30 Olympians, nope!
Give me a 7 foot high jumper, can't do it
Give me a national ranked 400 hurdler, nope.

I can go on and on one athlete after another, whie nobody can give me anyone in soccer./rugby doing anything else.

That NFL All time 4x1 relay

Olympic silver medalist....Sam Graddy
Olympic 4th.....Ron Brown
Olympic gold......Jim Hines
Oympic gold......Bob Hayes

The guy had these world records

5.9 60
9.3 100
9.2 100
9.1 100....4 times
10.06 meter
20,5....twice
4x4....8.6 anchor

There is nobody in rugby/soccer like those above.

Fastest current NFL, Tyreek Hill, while at Garden City JC he was the second fastest JCer in the world, while a HS kid....10.19/20.14 second fastest HSer ever,

This is what NFL speed looks like, soccer/rugby have never seen anyting remotely close to this,

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

It's come down to this.

Somebody give me that soccer/rugby all time .......anything......besides soccer/rugby.

I am talking about........ATHLETES.....ok ? As I have shown TONS of athletes end up in the NFL. So show me ATHLETES who ended up in soccer/rugby

If ya can't I am done with this thread.

I can list 10 8 lane races full of sub 9.6/10.40 NFLers, give me just 1 in soccer 1 in rugby, tied of seing nothing from soccer/rugby.

In my A race......Seven who ran in an Olympic final, one who ran a world record.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Now which teams wins that?

I suppose the football team overall given their 53 man rosters made up of guys ranging from like 180 to 350lbs, and track and field guys able to play it because of the sheer range of one dimensional roles in the sport. You're failing to understand how this alone doesnt mean that football has better athletes though, it means it has bigger rosters with more variation in attributes by position.

To illustrate the point - you wouldnt be picking LBs, TEs, RBs, DEs for the football side for the most part would you? because like I said before, they are not the fastest positions nor the strongest, and yet they are considered some of the best athletes on the team precisely because they fall into a middle ground. You conveniently avoided me bringing that up before, just like you keep avoiding accepting the importance of cardio, something that is a major factor in almost every sport.

rugby guys cannot run with the WR, CB in pro football

Didnt I bring up in the other thread that rugby player Louis-Rees Zammit, who was brought in through the player pathway programme recently, ran a 4.43 at 6'2 209lbs? for reference thats as fast as Justin Jefferson ran it at 195lbs, and he was the 2nd best receiver in the NFL last season.....oops!

Now, do you think the NFL just magically found the only rugby player capable of doing that? or do you think maybe its actually possible that there are people in that place called "the rest of the planet outside of America" who are also capable of running fast?

no they can't match the power of those 340 pounders.

You do realise there are 340lb'ers in rugby right? albeit not as common due to the higher cardio/mobility demands, but they are still around here and there.

You also dont seem to realise how many pacific islanders play rugby, They're a higher proportion of rugby than they are American football, at least when it comes to southern hemisphere rugby. You know...that demographic that are considered to make beastly football players due to their strength and athleticism?

And we already went through this, being 340lbs doesnt automatically make you stronger than someone who is 280lbs.

All I am seeing here is those who don't live in the USA don't get any of that. All they know is rugby, soccer.

Yes, its the rest of the planet that has it wrong. It couldnt possibly be that you live in a bubble and only consume your own sports and sports media to the point that it completely effects your perception.

I mean, lets put this in perspective, you're arguing that the best athletes in ball sports happen to play in a sport that draws basically its entire player base from the colleges of one country that makes up maybe 5% of the global population. Does that not sound completely fucking ridiculous to you?

It gets even more ridiculous, said sport is a derivative of rugby where the ball is in play around a third as long even though the games take about an hour longer to be completed, plays lasting around 5 seconds each. And in spite of this teams have the biggest rosters in team sports, with completely separate teams for offence and defence, unlimited substitutions, players rarely being on the field for more than 10 mins at a time, and basic rugby player skills being divided up across multiple positions, with basic rugby plays (running the ball, making a tackle etc) resulting in a stoppage and replays being shown of it like it was some incredible moment.


Lets add even MORE perspective, the tackles leader for the last game of the recent Six Nations was Thibaud Flament, a puny tiny rugby player at a mere 6'8 256lbs, with 18 tackles,in the same game he also made 8 carries, and engaged in ..


8 scrums

and 30 lineouts.

Cant even find stats for how many rucks/mauls ie these

He was involved in, but probably a lot.


He was on the field for a total of 74 minutes, across a game that in total (counting half time etc) lasted around 2 hours.


Now, lets compare that to the tackles leader in the last Superbowl, Drue Tranquill, a gargantuan football player at a whopping 6'2, 235lbs, Drue made 11 tackles in that 3+ hour long game, and since this is American football thats all he did, never touched the ball etc.

In addition, there were only two players in the game who made more carries than our French rugby friend, two giants in Jalen Hurts at 6'1 223lbs, and Saquon Barkley at 6'0 232lbs, obviously neither of them made any tackles either.

In conclusion, the rugby guy SIMULTANEOUSLY made more tackles than the tackles leader at the Superbowl AND would have been top 3 in carries while being much bigger than any of them AND did a bunch of shit football players dont even do (scrums, rucks, mauls, lineouts) AND did it in about an hour less of game time. Oh yeah... didnt wear pads and helmets either.

Is it sinking in yet? rugby is the more athletically demanding sport.

BTW dont even fucking get me started on rugby league, just looked up the stats for a recent NRL game and the tackles leader made 44 tackles IN ONE FUCKING GAME.


You're living in a bubble. Watch more sports. I'm out.

 

[Sir Elzio Dennick]

A 4.4.......hahahahaha~~~~~

You have any idea how many NFLers run sub 4.4........ya don't do ya?

Last say....

NFLers are made up of athletes from other sports, guys who could do other things besides football, that can't be said about soccer/rugby.

So far nobody can give me the soccer/rugby cats doing anything else. Why, yep........they can't.


Ok since nobody ever gave me what I was asking for........Adios~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~