Are Dana and Vince friends ?

[Kono dio da!]

HHH understands the changing dynamic and if Vince was gone they company would be better off.

HHH, matured into it though. He, too, was an insufferable prick, burying other more developing talent, akin to where Conor said to Dana "I wouldn't pay Tony a dime for not fighting Johnson on short notice", when Khabib pulled out at 209, snitching and conspiring and shit. But, look, enough of this. Vince doesn't need Dana. They can't be friends simply because of that. Vince is a moron, with HORRIBLE crimes/allegations to his name. BUT he runs a MUCH MUCH tighter ship than Dana, whether it's HHH who does the dirty work or not, He is FAAAAR superior to Dana White in promotion. Appreciate the input though. Vince is indeed an idiot, with a boner for big muscly men and disgusting storylines.

 

[Elvis.]

Vince called Dana on the phone and challenged him to an Mma fight or a pro wrestling match , or both his choice
Dana said he turned him down because Vince was old , we all know Vince would have kicked his ass

 

[Project 2501]

Its kind of mind blowing how the purchase of PRIDE mirrors the purchase of WCW. Both the ufc and wwe tried to keep the brands alive but to no avail and eventually just kept their video libraries. Also most of the big players from both WCW & PRIDE ended up being massive flops. Goldberg, Booker T, Scott Steiner/ Mirko Cro Cop, Wanderlei Silva, Big Nog.

 

[KOPPE]

The WWE was losing money with live shows.

"their revenue saw a 19% increase to $221.6 million from the previous year."

 

[TerrorTimmy]

To say the UFC only got a video library is ridiculous. They also bought out their top competitor and either directly got the contracts for many top fighters or were able to coerce them to sign. Since PRIDE folded, the only real competitors they've had were WEC, Strike force, and Bellator. They bought out and shut down WEC and Strikeforce and got the talent, and Bellator is basically where fighters go when they get cut by the UFC to beat up a few talented guys and a lot of not so talented guys.

Regardless of whatever they directly received with the PRIDE buy out, they removed their top competitor and became the epicenter of MMA worldwide. Every org now uses UFC's "unified rules" more or less. There's no champion outside the UFC who is more famous than the UFC champ from the same weight class.

I don't like Dana at all. He's a greedy sack of shit who doesn't care about the fighters, the fans, or the sport.

But you can't say he's not a good businessman. He clearly is. He got a percentage of that $4 billion sale, and kept his percentage under the new ownership. Dude has a driveway full of cocaine (or "snow" or whatever) in Vegas.

Vince has obviously built a huge organization and been successful himself. They've both found success in their respective businesses

 

[Kono dio da!]

What? That monster spent years terrorizing Stone Cold!!!

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Made stone cold bigger. Shit Dana does to Sterling, did to DJ, is doing to Leon, only hurts them.

Is it progressive?
Has to be to SOME (symbolic of course) extent I guess to survive at that level but the shit I remember (2007ish) was super chauvinistic.
Shit changes I guess.

Look bruh. Not saying it's progressive. i put a lol in there for a reason. I'm saying it's relatively progressive. I jumped ship in 2009. BUT you'll NEVER see anyone today make kitchen jokes, assault or harass women on camera, use racist language, make racist jokes, use racial dog whistle comments like Colby, make xenophobic comments like Colby etc. And if they do use bigoted rhetoric, it is clearly painted in a negative light and they're written to be clowned for it in the future. Dana, at the very least, could make an example of...Perry for example for his fondness for a certain word, or suspend colby for the shit he said before and after woodley, or at the very least bury him publicly for it. That way, at least, at least, Dana will look like a responsible adult. Vince probably doesn't care, but has people who handle that shit for him, because they're traded publicly. Dana doesn't give a shit. But the minute anyone talks about money, all of a sudden, old testament Dana takes his gloves off and starts being petty. So yeah WWE does a much better job of hiding its toxicity. UFC fighters say and do fucked up things all the time and get away with it.

Edit: Unlike the UFC, who bury their heads in the sand when a fighter does fucked up things and tries to pander to degenerate "anti-sjws", they actually deal with the problem and aren't transparent about it....although they're super hypocritical about it. i remember hearing that Orton sexually harassed newbies as part of hazing. never heard of any sanctions, however, the ufc doesn't address shit, ever and when they do, like mike perry at the restaurant. he hit a woman, an old man and used a racial slur three times and still has a job. HHH and co. wouldn't allow that. so , as backward as vince is, he isn't as backward as dana in that sense. but ultimately pro wrestling is shit anyway. so........just wish bellator was bigger, to give ol' dana some competition.

 

[PicoPulse]

The WWE was losing money with live shows. The money they were making was hardly covering the cost of the venues. If you watch the shows prior to COVID, the attendance was ass and entire sections of the arena were curtained off...

It’s not like they were going to die off or anything, but they weren’t making as much money as they are right now.

Once COVID happened, the WWE was able to use their own performance center for their shows, and not have to pay a venue fee. They may have lost some sales from live merchandise, but it wasn’t that big of a deal.

The WWE gets most of their money from their network deals, and they most recently signed a fat one with FOX. This is part of the reason why McMahon was adamant at having his wrestlers be considered “essential workers” because if they stopped doing live shows, he would have been in breach of contract. While other wrestling promotions started recording future episodes of their shows in advance, the WWE would still have live shows so they could satisfy their contract with Fox.

It was also specifically non televised live shows
Raw and Smackdown will return to live tours eventually but the house shows are finished

 

[The Chosen]

I mean. Vince is pretty easily the better businessman. You seen the WWE's profits these days? fuckin hell

Hopefully someone writes a detailed autobiography on Vince when he goes. Pretty complex guy. Total lunatic

An autobiography is a self written biography

 

[WHITE ANDERSON]

dana and vince are good friends. they know each other through their mutual buddy, donald trump

people forget that it was vince who allowed ultimate fighter to be on spike after WWE

and people forget that it was vince who allowed brock to go to UFC

 

[The Chosen]

They’re both Irish so probably

 

[BabyBlue_Bomber]

"their revenue saw a 19% increase to $221.6 million from the previous year."

Exactly...

A big part of it was due to COVID and no longer doing live shows.

 

[johnnybeebob]

Its kind of mind blowing how the purchase of PRIDE mirrors the purchase of WCW. Both the ufc and wwe tried to keep the brands alive but to no avail and eventually just kept their video libraries. Also most of the big players from both WCW & PRIDE ended up being massive flops. Goldberg, Booker T, Scott Steiner/ Mirko Cro Cop, Wanderlei Silva, Big Nog.

Booker wasn’t a flop.

 

[BigTruck]

"their revenue saw a 19% increase to $221.6 million from the previous year."

Isn't that bc they cut a shot load of talent?

 

[acannxr]

Vince Macmahon was going to buy Pride but he is a savvy business man and knew it was a bad deal.

Dana does on to buy Pride and got a video library.

who is the better businessman ? Do they have heat because of that ?

McMahon was actually going to buy the UFC just to shut it down.

The UFC copied a lot from the WWE: the business model of the UFC was copied from WWE, TUF is nothing more than a carbon copy of Tough Enough, the UFC protects their favorites through safe matchmaking much like WWE gives certain wrestlers a promotional "push", and the UFC Fight Pass was taken directly from the WWE Network.

Funny story though, McMahon intimidated Dana into moving TUF off Mondays:
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To answer your question, Dana already gave his opinion on McMahon ten years ago:
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[IloveTHIS]

The WWE was losing money with live shows. The money they were making was hardly covering the cost of the venues. If you watch the shows prior to COVID, the attendance was ass and entire sections of the arena were curtained off...

It’s not like they were going to die off or anything, but they weren’t making as much money as they are right now.

Once COVID happened, the WWE was able to use their own performance center for their shows, and not have to pay a venue fee. They may have lost some sales from live merchandise, but it wasn’t that big of a deal.

The WWE gets most of their money from their network deals, and they most recently signed a fat one with FOX. This is part of the reason why McMahon was adamant at having his wrestlers be considered “essential workers” because if they stopped doing live shows, he would have been in breach of contract. While other wrestling promotions started recording future episodes of their shows in advance, the WWE would still have live shows so they could satisfy their contract with Fox.

I went to several live shows when I was younger. Still had very fond memories of them. not relevant to the discussion but I just wanted to say that because the pics made me nostalgic

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

Dana White has no charisma at all. Mr McMahon is filled with charisma.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

Dana looks up to Vince. He tries desperately to get to a bill + so that papa Vince will take him seriously. I say this as no disrespect to Lord Dana. There are levels to this just like everything else.