Opinion Are California and New York good representations of the ideal Liberal state?

[F1980]

As in Democrats getting almost everything they want in terms of laws, legislation, etc..?

If they are a good representation of the liberal dream states, that means they are working to get every state to mimic these 2 states' laws and legislations?

On the other end:

Are Texas and Florida good representations of what Conservatives want every state to try and mimic?

What are the core tenets of the states that each side represent?

From what little experience I have with politics:

Liberals basically want extreme leniency towards criminals,
welfare for the poor, heavily taxing the rich to pay for the welfare
Heavily restrict gun ownership
Send money to poor countries around the world
Anyone who can get to the US can become a US citizen

Conservatives want long jail times for criminals
Very little welfare, and very little taxation on the rich
Very little safety net
Very little or no gun restrictions
No sending money to anyone outside the US
Extreme vetting of migrants, zero illegal immigration

 

[Jack V Savage]

Probably Minnesota or much of the Northeast would be better representatives of what liberals want, but both states do some things well.

 

[jk7707]

As in Democrats getting almost everything they want in terms of laws, legislation, etc..?

If they are a good representation of the liberal dream states, that means they are working to get every state to mimic these 2 states' laws and legislations?

On the other end:

Are Texas and Florida good representations of what Conservatives want every state to try and mimic?

What are the core tenets of the states that each side represent?

From what little experience I have with politics:

Liberals basically want extreme leniency towards criminals,
welfare for the poor, heavily taxing the rich to pay for the welfare
Heavily restrict gun ownership
Send money to poor countries around the world
Anyone who can get to the US can become a US citizen

Conservatives want long jail times for criminals
Very little welfare, and very little taxation on the rich
Very little safety net
Very little or no gun restrictions
No sending money to anyone outside the US
Extreme vetting of migrants, zero illegal immigration

No.

 

[calavera2]

As in Democrats getting almost everything they want in terms of laws, legislation, etc..?

If they are a good representation of the liberal dream states, that means they are working to get every state to mimic these 2 states' laws and legislations?

On the other end:

Are Texas and Florida good representations of what Conservatives want every state to try and mimic?

What are the core tenets of the states that each side represent?

From what little experience I have with politics:

Liberals basically want extreme leniency towards criminals,
welfare for the poor, heavily taxing the rich to pay for the welfare
Heavily restrict gun ownership
Send money to poor countries around the world
Anyone who can get to the US can become a US citizen

Conservatives want long jail times for criminals
Very little welfare, and very little taxation on the rich
Very little safety net
Very little or no gun restrictions
No sending money to anyone outside the US
Extreme vetting of migrants, zero illegal immigration

You're detached from reality in what you believe people want. Here's a shocking revelation: they generally want the same thing

 

[BROWNPRIDE]

As in Democrats getting almost everything they want in terms of laws, legislation, etc..?

If they are a good representation of the liberal dream states, that means they are working to get every state to mimic these 2 states' laws and legislations?

On the other end:

Are Texas and Florida good representations of what Conservatives want every state to try and mimic?

What are the core tenets of the states that each side represent?

From what little experience I have with politics:

Liberals basically want extreme leniency towards criminals,
welfare for the poor, heavily taxing the rich to pay for the welfare
Heavily restrict gun ownership
Send money to poor countries around the world
Anyone who can get to the US can become a US citizen

Conservatives want long jail times for criminals
Very little welfare, and very little taxation on the rich
Very little safety net
Very little or no gun restrictions
No sending money to anyone outside the US
Extreme vetting of migrants, zero illegal immigration

If conservatives want long jail times for criminals then why wasn’t trump been doing life without parole?

 

[KOPPE]

Massachusetts is the ideal Liberal state.

 

[jk7707]

If conservatives want long jail times for criminals then why wasn’t trump been doing life without parole?

 

[nostradumbass]

DC is probably a better example than any state. California and NY are pretty good examples of dems getting basically whatever they want, but there still are some republicans in the state government, cities with republican mayors etc, and California used to be a red state.

DC is the best example because there is no republican in charge of anything.

 

[avenue94]

DC is probably a better example than any state. California and NY are pretty good examples of dems getting basically whatever they want, but there still are some republicans in the state government, cities with republican mayors etc, and California used to be a red state.

DC is the best example because there is no republican in charge of anything.

I sees you are unironically unaware of the fact that DC is partly governed by Congress. Are you even American?

 

[Michaelangelo]

California was a good place, but these last 20 years really drove it into bizarro world

 

[ferrisjso]

There is no ideal state for leftists because Democrats are controlled opposition whose main goal is to protect capitalism from the people who voted for them. The US is a one party state with 2 parties and when the Charlie Brown finally catches the football California has shown politicans don't deliver socialism to their voters and even if they wanted to would struggle under the limits of federalism.

Even if we ignore this in New York(city) in particular people who would be far right republicans are democrats because people just vote democrat by default. The mayor of NYC is literally a right wing cop. The Democratic primary gets much higher turnout and attention than the general election so everyone wants to run in the Democratic primary. Pols who run Republican in these places often do so because they don't actually want to hold office but enjoy perpetually grifting. I imagine in hard red places there are many DLC types running as Republicans because thats the only way to hold office in their location.

 

[ShadowRun]

As in Democrats getting almost everything they want in terms of laws, legislation, etc..?

If they are a good representation of the liberal dream states, that means they are working to get every state to mimic these 2 states' laws and legislations?

On the other end:

Are Texas and Florida good representations of what Conservatives want every state to try and mimic?

What are the core tenets of the states that each side represent?

From what little experience I have with politics:

Liberals basically want extreme leniency towards criminals,
welfare for the poor, heavily taxing the rich to pay for the welfare
Heavily restrict gun ownership
Send money to poor countries around the world
Anyone who can get to the US can become a US citizen

Conservatives want long jail times for criminals
Very little welfare, and very little taxation on the rich
Very little safety net
Very little or no gun restrictions
No sending money to anyone outside the US
Extreme vetting of migrants, zero illegal immigration

I think Texas NY and Cali extreme examples
FL a little more legit.

But republican aren’t on the give trillions to Ukraine every day train but all about helping Israel . We should help Ukraine but there has to be limits . Short minded people who don’t want any presence of America around the world really does not know about WW2. It’s draining sure but if there’s another WW can America survive. The world was a few scientists away from Germany winning.

 

[NoSmilez]

Traditionally NYC democrats aren’t really very progressive. Same with NYC republicans being very conservative. There are other tribes and constituents that these politicians need to account for. It’s not just a red and blue battle. If anything the democrats have a strong stranglehold but those dems have their own agendas.

 

[emefer]

No, not even close.

 

[Two Crows]

I hate the public adoption of the term "Liberal" in this context.

I think of the most "Liberal" governments as those having the fewest laws and personal restrictions, which does not conform to either dominate party in the USA.


(Also, with respect to foreign aid, I think most Republicans are for it. They just prefer it to be military aid, for US "interests" ... such as the oil fields present in the Middle East.)

 

[nostradumbass]

I sees you are unironically unaware of the fact that DC is partly governed by Congress. Are you even American?

No it's not. The home rule act is more than 50 years old. Congress gets to review legislation made by the mayor and city council but they don't write it. Democrats completely have their way, they just can't violate the US constitution, but neither can any state.

 

[avenue94]

No it's not. The home rule act is more than 50 years old. Congress gets to review legislation made by the mayor and city council but they don't write it. Democrats completely have their way, they just can't violate the US constitution, but neither can any state.

So why did GOP Congress do everything in its power, for example, to reverse the local decision to decriminalize marijuana? That's a pretty flagrant violation of sovereignty and local governance.

 

[nostradumbass]

So why did GOP Congress do everything in its power, for example, to reverse the local decision to decriminalize marijuana? That's a pretty flagrant violation of sovereignty and local governance.

Because it's illegal federally. Lol, is that what's holding DC back? Sure they spend the most on education for the lowest literacy rates, they have the highest abortion rates, massive violent crime problem, bums everywhere, the highest income inequality, but if they could just legalize more drugs, that place would really start blossoming.

 

[KOByFootStomp]

If conservatives want long jail times for criminals then why wasn’t trump been doing life without parole?

What has he been convicted of?

 

[avenue94]

Because it's illegal federally. Lol, is that what's holding DC back? Sure they spend the most on education for the lowest literacy rates, they have the highest abortion rates, massive violent crime problem, bums everywhere, the highest income inequality, but if they could just legalize more drugs, that place would really start blossoming.

Oh please. Congress turns a blind eye toward illegal state-level legislation all the time.

Democrats completely have their way, they just can't violate the US constitution, but neither can any state.

Where in the Constitution does it mention drug scheduling?