Are BJJ and Muay Thai getting permanently replaced by boxing and wrestling?

[Futbol Ukraine]

So if you look at the current landscape of MMA, you will see that boxing and wrestling is used a lot more by champions than BJJ and Muay Thai is. We used to have a bunch of Brazilian champions and even some of the non-Brazilian champs came from either a BJJ or MT background.

Stipe: boxing + wrestling
DC: boxing + wrestling
Whittaker: boxing + wrestling
Woodley: boxing + wrestling
Colby: boxing + wrestling
Khabib: boxing + wrestling
Holloway: boxing
TJ: wrestling + kickboxing
DJ: wrestling + kickboxing

I think boxing is more effective in MMA than Muay Thai because of the smaller gloves, which means that having good hands is more important. Also, a great wrestler can simply stop a BJJ guy from taking the fight to the ground, a la Colby/Tyron/Usman vs Maia.

 

[GODZILLA213]

MMA is its own style of striking and grappling all together. To label things as one or the other is to simply mislabel them.

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Mma is mma

 

[Reyesnuthugr]

Yup pretty much

The Pareto Principle states that 80% or 4/5 of actual productivity is a result of only 20% (or 1/5) of the actual training/work/preparation. A tiny 20% is responsible for 80% of the gains because it is much more efficient. This efficiency principle applies to work productivity, training, sales, diet, etc etc

A couple of the martial arts disciplines pay off 80% of your success in MMA while the others collectively account for the remaining shard (in varying amounts). That's why it's still important to cross train in other arts, at least defensively.

 

[bad seed]

So if you look at the current landscape of MMA, you will see that boxing and wrestling is used a lot more by champions than BJJ and Muay Thai is. We used to have a bunch of Brazilian champions and even some of the non-Brazilian champs came from either a BJJ or MT background.

Stipe: boxing + wrestling
DC: boxing + wrestling
Whittaker: boxing + wrestling
Woodley: boxing + wrestling
Colby: boxing + wrestling
Khabib: boxing + wrestling
Holloway: boxing
TJ: wrestling + kickboxing
DJ: wrestling + kickboxing

I think boxing is more effective in MMA than Muay Thai because of the smaller gloves, which means that having good hands is more important. Also, a great wrestler can simply stop a BJJ guy from taking the fight to the ground, a la Colby/Tyron/Usman vs Maia.

TJ and DJ have superb muay thai and the rest of them have some proficiency.

also, your name, custom title, location, and Enoch Powell av lol. This place has gone to utter shit.

 

[BNC]

I mean you had Aldo, Werdum, Joanna Champ and Valentina ( soon to be champ)

 

[accolyte1022]

TJ and DJ have superb muay thai and the rest of them have some proficiency.

also, your name, custom title, location, and Enoch Powell av lol. This place has gone to utter shit.

The Mods either don't care, or the new owners of this site have tied their hands.

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

Having A-level wrestling and knowing submission defense > Having A-level BJJ, with mediocre wrestling

That said it's 2018. There has been so much cross-pollination it's hard to make clear distinctions, IMO.

 

[Chivas GDL]

None of them is a boxer or a Muay Thai fighter and would get destroyed in either sport

 

[gono btw]

Having A-level wrestling and knowing submission defense > Having A-level BJJ, with mediocre wrestling

That said it's 2018. There has been so much cross-pollination it's hard to make clear distinctions, IMO.

Realistically, you should have compared:

Having A-level wrestling and MEDIOCRE submission defense > < Having A-level BJJ, with mediocre wrestling

lmao...

 

[Portland8242]

GSP was another posterboy for wrestling + boxing. Anderson Silva was one of the few to do it with the Muay Thai + BJJ style, and it's without a doubt more entertaining.

 

[Ghostoftheville]

Nothing's changed, wrestling has been the dominant MA in the sport for years now and every fighter uses a hodgepodge of striking techniques.

 

[Wicked_1]

It goes in waves. It was wrestling /boxing w Coleman etc after bjj w Royce.. Then back to bjj and back to wrestling now. It will be bjj and Mt again soon. Khabib isn't really wrestling or jj but dominates with Sambo.. Which actually is a mix of wrestling and bjj kinda so.. . Can't call Conor a boxer as he has lots of wild kicks. Dc is a true wrestler, Stipe not so much but is proficient

 

[fortheo]

Whittaker is more of a karateka that has added some solid boxing fundementals to his game. I don't really think of him as a boxer.

Holloway is a kickboxer.

 

[Muay Thai #1]

Whitaker has 2 recent TKOs that involved a headkick... clearly a boxer <45>

 

[fortheo]

GSP was another posterboy for wrestling + boxing. Anderson Silva was one of the few to do it with the Muay Thai + BJJ style, and it's without a doubt more entertaining.

Not really, GSP, like Whittaker, are both karetakas who added some boxing fundementals to their games. It's very evident in their kicking style and how they blitz.

 

[Draxton]

At first MMA was dominated by BJJ because nobody knew what it was really. Then wrestlers, then well rounded fighters and now wrestlers with good hands. It is cyclical. Eventually we are going to see some great BJJ guys with good enough striking defense that are good off their backs.

 

[campbecc]

boxing has been the dominant striking style and wrestling the dominant grapple style for most of MMA history.

 

[Gilday]

MMA goes through phases of this, eventually someone will find a style that completely shuts down the wrestle/boxers and everyone will start using that, then another style will come to beat that one, then the wrestle/boxers probably come back

MMA is on a never ending cycle of "evolving"

 

[Final Say]

Boxing is flat out the most underutilized and improperly trained art in MMA.

It's easily the most immediately devastating to your opponent.

But there is only so much time in the day and you also must know how to defend from kicks, knees and grappling attacks.

Stay tuned. Fighters with undeniable hand skills are already slowly starting to dominate. It won't be long before every top MMA fighter will need to have great hands and other styles will be devastated.