Arab-Israeli Conflict, v2: What the UN Jerusalem vote mean for Israel, the U.S, and Palestine

[AlexDB9]

How am I supposed to take a body like the UN seriously when the head of the fucking human rights coalition is saudi arabia

 

[Gregolian]

How am I supposed to take a body like the UN seriously when the head of the fucking human rights coalition is saudi arabia

 

[AlexDB9]

Might as well make Venezuela the head of food and agriculture

 

[Rod1]

So... the vote they had today just was a handful of countries voting on something completely arbitrary and pointless based on your "the UN doesn't pass resolutions" stance.

Sorry, but YES, they DO pass resolutions... as evidenced by today's fucking vote.

A country puts forward a resolution and other countries vote on it, the UN as an entity doesnt does that.

Its just a platform where every single country in the world has a representative where they can get together and discuss things,

General Assembly resolutions are also non-binding.

 

[Rod1]

oh i agree but the americans do pay a shit ton to countries that vote against her. they might as well flex muscle.

Most American aid goes to Israel and countries that are bribed to play nice with Israel, the other pittances are usually given for a particular goal in mind.

 

[Rod1]

That's not a threat of war though.

What they're essentially saying is "if you are against our policy, then we're not gonna pay for your lunch".

All members of the U.N have the right to stand up for their principles, and I applauds them for doing just that. But hubris also describe the act of biting the very hand that feeds you and still assume you will continue to be fed.

I was thinking more about the "You are with us or with the terrorists" when you went unilaterally into Iraq and ran away with tucked tail from there the world realized that the only world superpower wasnt really that scary.

And the idea that the US gives tons of aid freely without strings attached is also another example of hubris.

Most of that aid money goes to US federal contractors, some other goes to NGOs.

The biggest welfare queens is Israel, Egypt and Afghanistan, you are quite free to pull aid from these countries, but im certain you wont.

 

[Arkain2K]

And the idea that the US gives tons of aid freely without strings attached is also another example of hubris.

I'm not sure where you get that idea from, consider that both Nikki Haley AND Donald Trump just clearly told every U.S aid recipient exactly what that string is for Thursday.

For the inquiring minds, the Washington Post had previously put together some very useful charts on the aid money the U.S give out each year:

The U.S. foreign aid budget, visualized

Put all together, the top-10 list of U.S. foreign assistance recipients are as follows:

Afghanistan: $4.7 Billion
Israel: $3.1 Billion
Egypt: $1.46 Billion
Iraq: $1.14 Billion
Jordan: $1 Billion
Pakistan: $742.2 Million
Kenya: $626.4 Million
Nigeria: $606.1 Million
Tanzania: $575.3 Million
Ethiopia: $513.67 Million

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/which-countries-get-the-most-foreign-aid/

 

[Seaside]

I was thinking more about the "You are with us or with the terrorists" when you went unilaterally into Iraq and ran away with tucked tail from there the world realized that the only world superpower wasnt really that scary.

And the idea that the US gives tons of aid freely without strings attached is also another example of hubris.

Most of that aid money goes to US federal contractors, some other goes to NGOs.

The biggest welfare queens is Israel, Egypt and Afghanistan, you are quite free to pull aid from these countries, but im certain you wont.

they are a strong country though. They destroyed iraq with ease and then was stupid enough to spend 10 years there or trying nation build. if there goal was to destroy saddam government and his military they did that in what was 3 months. and could of left and if they did iraq would be same as it is today powerless and weak with no real military but likely no ISIS there.

 

[Arkain2K]

Canada to abstain from UN vote condemning Trump Jerusalem move
By Max Greenwood - 12/21/17

Canada will abstain from a United Nations vote on Thursday condemning the United States's recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

"Canada is strongly committed to the goal of a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East, including the creation of a Palestinian state living side-by-side in peace and security with Israel. Canada’s longstanding position is that the status of Jerusalem can be resolved only as part of a general settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute," Adam Austen, a spokesman for Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland, said.

"Canada continues to support building the conditions necessary for the parties to find a peaceful solution," he added. "We are disappointed that this resolution is one sided and does not advance prospects for peace to which we aspire, which is why we will abstain on today’s vote.”

According to Barak Ravid, a reporter for Israel's Channel 10 News, Canada considered voting against the resolution calling on Washington to reverse its Jerusalem decision, but ultimately decided to abstain to avoid being perceived as too willing to align itself with the U.S.

The decision reportedly came after President Trump threatened on Wednesday to cut off foreign aid to countries that support the resolution, which is set to come to a vote in the U.N. General Assembly on Thursday.

It was that threat, according to Barak, that prompted Canada's abstention.

The U.N. resolution is not legally binding, but would exert political pressure on Trump to reverse his decision.

http://thehill.com/policy/internati...-vote-condemning-trump-jerusalem-move-reports

 

[Rod1]

they are a strong country though. They destroyed iraq with ease and then was stupid enough to spend 10 years there or trying nation build. if there goal was to destroy saddam government and his military they did that in what was 3 months. and could of left and if they did iraq would be same as it is today powerless and weak with no real military but likely no ISIS there.

I dont disagree but whats the purpose of destroying weak nations in the first place?

The USA went with an objective and left with a black eye and the place in a worse state.

 

[Rod1]

I'm not sure where you get that idea from, consider that both Nikki Haley AND Donald Trump just clearly told every U.S aid recipient exactly what that string is for Thursday.

And here again with the hubris.

Want to have a sig bet that no major aid will be pulled because of this?



And little by little the US is becoming a nation that barks loudly.

"We will be taking names" "We will put aid"

Sure buddy, im pretty sure you will.

 

[ShoelessRye]

Trump thinks aid to these countries is charity. It's usually for these countries to then buy American agriculture or weapons. It's MIC and Big Ag welfare. They're not given cash out of the goodness of American hearts, completely with no-strings-attached, they can do with it as they wish.

 

[Rod1]

Trump thinks aid to these countries is charity. It's usually for these countries to then buy American agriculture or weapons. It's MIC and Big Ag welfare. They're not given cash out of the goodness of American hearts, completely with no-strings-attached, they can do with it as they wish.

This.

Im willing to sig bet with any 10k+ post account that the US will do fooking nuthin.

Trump is all.



And everyone is.

 

[JbModest]

Most American aid goes to Israel and countries that are bribed to play nice with Israel, the other pittances are usually given for a particular goal in mind.

Look at the list that @Arkain2K put up. Afghanistan is number one on that list and they have nothing to do with Israel.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Post your proof. Let's go from there. You're claim... GO!

Don't make it so easy

Over the next few days, contingents of four of the seven countries of the Arab League at that time, namely Egypt (1), Iraq(2), Transjordan(3), and Syria(4), invaded territory in the former British Mandate of Palestine and fought the Israelis. They were supported by the Arab Liberation Army and corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia(5), Lebanon (6)and Yemen (7). The Arab armies launched a simultaneous offensive on all fronts, Egypt forces invaded from south, Jordanian and Iraqi forces invaded from east, while Syrian forces invaded from north.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war#Arab_Invasion

النكبة The Nakba

 

[splendica]

Look at the list that @Arkain2K put up. Afghanistan is number one on that list and they have nothing to do with Israel.

And you never ever hear about it. Plus, there's a large amount going to economic development on top of the defense monies. None of Israel's goes for economic development.

 

[Rod1]

Look at the list that @Arkain2K put up. Afghanistan is number one on that list and they have nothing to do with Israel.

I did mentioned Afghanista, but that aid money to Afghanistan is there because the US is currently in there, so there is a shitload of contractors working with the US Armed forces there which increase the bill.

Note that aid counts every federal contractor on that country so if the US hires Blackwater in Afghanistan its going to be considered "aid".

Israel and its neighbours amount for 5 billion dollars, thats like 1/5th of US aid or 1/4th (if you dont count countries where the US is fighting).

 

[Seaside]

I dont disagree but whats the purpose of destroying weak nations in the first place?

The USA went with an objective and left with a black eye and the place in a worse state.

Iraq was not weak though. like 4th or 5th largest army and strongest arab nation it was iran of its days sort of. but yeah i not sure why they do it.

 

[splendica]

This.

Im willing to sig bet with any 10k+ post account that the US will do fooking nuthin.

Trump is all.



And everyone is.

Oh my I wish I had 10k posts.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Israel admitted they started that by attacking Egypt. Learn the current propaganda from these people if you wish to continue.

Let's stick to '48.