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Arab-Israeli Conflict: Part 1

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you know what's really weird? Putin, everyone's favorite foreign leader, voted for the measure to condemn Israel for its illegal settlements. how come the much beloved Vladimir isn't getting any criticism here?

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If this is true, it's not a surprise at all, and in that case f*ck'em too.

Russia has political and economical ties with Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Lebanon to just name a few. Russia pretends to care about Israel as much as anyone else does. The only thing Russia (Putin) really cares about that is located inside of Israel is it's huge oil reserves, outside of that he wouldn't even give a damn.
 
Decent article.

Link Source : https://www.raptureready.com/soap2/ward77.html

Full Article (warning tl;dr below)

"Friday 23rd December, 2016, will go down in history as a day of infamy for the United States. America, under the leadership of Barack Obama, have finally, and irrevocably, betrayed Israel. Choosing to abstain from a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning Israel, which declares all settlements outside the 1967 borders as illegal, Obama has effectively offered up Israel on a plate to her enemies at the United Nations.

How cruel, how tyrannical, that this lame duck president chooses to use his few remaining days in office to curse Israel. In defiance of all diplomatic protocol, Obama is hoping to present Donald Trump with a fait accompli when he assumes office in late January. At this point, there is nothing President Trump can do to aid Israel. The damage is already done.

Yet the betrayal goes deeper than merely a vote to abstain. Much deeper. The original motion of condemnation against Israeli “settlements” was tabled by Egypt, who quickly withdrew it due to pressure from president-elect Trump.

However, Obama and his team worked to out flank Trump. Obama went instead to New Zealand and Malaysia, getting them to table the motion in Egypt’s stead. Trump was powerless to stop it.

The motion of condemnation was then tabled, the United States abstained, and the remaining UN Security Council members, sensing blood, pounced on Israel.

Israel are now completely isolated, they are legally exposed and have been wholly condemned by all the world. All of this to Obama’s eternal shame.

Amongst other things this vote now means that the Wailing Wall, currently the most holy site in modern Judaism, this morning stands firmly on Palestinian land. The Temple Mount has been ripped from Israel’s grasp and has been given to Islam.

It means that Jews living in Jewish East Jerusalem can now no longer build any homes and occupy their own ancient capital city. It means that Obama, and America because he leads them, have effectively divided the land God gave to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The so called “peace process” is now dead. This vote has ensured the failure of all potential future negotiations. This vote means that the Palestinians will now demand all settlements as their legal land, and that will be the starting point for all their negotiations. All future negotiations for peace will now begin with the understanding that the 1967 lines are the starting point, not the end point.

Before this vote, the best the Palestinians could have hoped for would have been an Israeli retreat to the 1967 borders.

Israel will now be expected, by the international community, to retreat back to the 1948 lines, not the 1967 borders. In international diplomacy, and Obama knows this well, this 1948 line is known by another term; it is known as the Auschwitz line. Any retreat behind this Auschwitz line is militarily indefensible.

Obama, in allowing this vote to progress without a U.S. veto, has knowingly endangered the continued existence of Israel itself as a viable state. He no doubt hopes that one day soon Israel will be forced to retreat behind a border that will not allow for the adequate protection of the Jewish State.

Obama has actively sought to bring about the conditions necessary for Israel’s final destruction.

Barack Obama has cursed Israel. He hasn’t simply abstained from a UN vote; he is actively attempting to seal Israel's future doom.

God is clear. Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, whoever curses Israel will be cursed. America, under Barack Obama’s leadership have now, for the very first time actively cursed Israel. A red line has been crossed.

In my opinion, all we can now do is wait for the judgment that will now fall. It will fall on Barack Obama personally, and terrifyingly, on the United States corporately because he leads them, and there is nothing that Donald Trump can do to stop it."

Almost time folks, almost time...

You know you rock that mcveteran81 handle and av, and call the country that killed your fellow serviceman on the USS Liberty our ally............
 
Money with no land is immaterial. The prize has always been and always will be the land. Specifically it is so important that God Himself has set that land aside for Himself and His people.

38 billion is nothing. Currency itself these days is fictitious really. Economies are essentially based on the whims of governments / politics / and world banks. 38 billion today can easily become nothing tomorrow. So much of money is just perception.

$38 billion represents military aid and national security. Do you think Israeli missle defense systems are fictitious?
 
All this hyperventilation. Gross

Netanyahu to New Zealand: That's an act of war

Says the guy whose country operated a spy ring in New Zealand and used fake NZ passports for its agents...

I say all sides need to chill the fuck out, Netanyahu should accept the humbling and take a minute or two to consider why it happened before he builds even more settlements. IMO Netanyahu is screaming so loudly because he's got some major issues at home.



lol because they have force projection. i dont think the British or aussies would let them even attempt at NZ
 
Who cares? As if this little declaration of condemnation is of any binding legal effect obliging Israel to do anything at all. Israel can and should just flip the UN the bird if it so feels appropriate.
Keep watching the news, your about to witness a shit storm in the ME from here on out. This will be no small thing. Realistically the U.N is now allowed to slam Israel with sanctions from this point on and that's just the beginning. It will also embolden any Muslim nation to declare war or intensive war rhetoric on Israel if they do anything outside of this U.N declaration.
 
Good point on Putin. How are Trumpsters shitting on Obama over this but still have boners for Puty pie?
Different groups. These pro israeli trumpsters were originally Ted Cruz voters that jumped ship. Evangelicals mostly.
Alt right trumpsters despise Israel and jews, although it's hard when the opposition is a bunch of muslims.
 
Keep watching the news, your about to witness a shit storm in the ME from here on out. This will be no small thing. Realistically the U.N is now allowed to slam Israel with sanctions from this point on and that's just the beginning. It will also embolden any Muslim nation to declare war or intensive war rhetoric on Israel if they do anything outside of this U.N declaration.

Well, fortunately for Israel, they have one of the most advanced militaries in the world. Thanks to us.
 
Keep watching the news, your about to witness a shit storm in the ME from here on out. This will be no small thing. Realistically the U.N is now allowed to slam Israel with sanctions from this point on and that's just the beginning. It will also embolden any Muslim nation to declare war or intensive war rhetoric on Israel if they do anything outside of this U.N declaration.

If they declare war they will get their asses beaten even worse than last time. Do you realize how powerful Israel is in relation to its neighbors? Almost all arab countries have dysfunctional militaries, it's even worse after the so-called arab spring.
 
If they declare war they will get their asses beaten even worse than last time. Do you realize how powerful Israel is in relation to its neighbors? Almost all arab countries have dysfunctional militaries, it's even worse after the so-called arab spring.
Iran, Turkey, and Russia would beg to differ...they would likely be the ones involved in any military action taken against Israel.
 
Money with no land is immaterial. The prize has always been and always will be the land. Specifically it is so important that God Himself has set that land aside for Himself and His people.

38 billion is nothing. Currency itself these days is fictitious really. Economies are essentially based on the whims of governments / politics / and world banks. 38 billion today can easily become nothing tomorrow. So much of money is just perception.

Im pretty sure that the money is in form of US military gear which protects the land with real firepower.
 
If this is true, it's not a surprise at all, and in that case f*ck'em too.

Russia has political and economical ties with Turkey, Iran, Syria, and Lebanon to just name a few. Russia pretends to care about Israel as much as anyone else does. The only thing Russia (Putin) really cares about that is located inside of Israel is it's huge oil reserves, outside of that he wouldn't even give a damn.
Huge Israeli oil reserves?
 
Well, fortunately for Israel, they have one of the most advanced militaries in the world. Thanks to us.
A nation just a little larger then the size of Rhode Island, is not easily defensible regardless of what they have. Especially if all of their military assets are located in that same tiny area.

At some point *size* does matter when it comes to warfare. They would be in serious trouble if the ruskies, turks, and irans came knocking on there door wanting in.
 
It had information I'm pretty much aware of. My general question is more about the new settlements. My very limited understanding is that new settlements are taking on new territory, not just filling in territory that was captured during the previous war. Am I incorrect on that?

No, and that's the sticky point: the U.N consider the Israeli occupation in ALL the captured Arab/Palestinian territories beyond the 1949 Green Line (euphemistically referred to as the "Pre-1967 borders") that they gained during the Arabs-Isarelis wars to be illegal. Not just in the West Bank, but other places like the Golan Heights as well.

That is why Israel is angry: The U.N want to strong-arm them back to the borders that the Israelis accepted 60 years ago, but the Arabs rejected and chose war instead.

As I have mentioned before, the Two-State solution is something I personally support and the majority of the people in Israel are willing to accept, but no one in their right mind would actually believe they could get Israel to give up everything that they have won over three Arabs wars and go back to the old 1949 borders while getting nothing in return.
 
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Need a countdown clock until Osamas presidency is up.

Guy is incredibly dangerous
 
A nation just a little larger then the size of Rhode Island, is not easily defensible regardless of what they have. Especially if all of their military assets are located in that same tiny area.

At some point *size* does matter when it comes to warfare. They would be in serious trouble if the ruskies, turks, and irans came knocking on there door wanting in.
Well yeah. You can count the countries that wouldn't be in serious trouble if 3 of the world's strongest militaries attacked at once on one finger.
 
Im pretty sure that the money is in form of US military gear which protects the land with real firepower.
I believe this to be true as well. Military gear is definitely handy, but it's not like the MIC doesn't get billions if not trillions tossed its way every monetary cycle. 38 billion over several years is a drop in the bucket for us.
 
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