Anyone have any experience with Osteoarthritis?

[Chesten_Hesten]

I'm too vain to ever use it. I glared at the doctor offering me a walking cane the other day.
I'll take the disability financial benefits though if I can't find a work from home job. I still haven't quite come to terms with it but after Monday I'll start on a job hunt frenzy.

Do you know this story?


Its easy applied to almost every situation.

 

[ralphc1]

Its probably the Shitty Diet 90%+ are on.

All the fucking processed crap.

https://www.genengnews.com/news/new-genetic-risk-factors-for-osteoarthritis-uncovered/

It's mainly down to genetics. Osteoarthritis and Rheumatoid Arthritis might be more closely related than was first thought. Osteo Arthritis might just be a milder form of Rheumatoid Arthritis. My mothers side of the family has a lot of arthritis both on her father's and mother's side of the families. My mother's mother was pretty crippled up with it in her mid 30s. Her hands were pretty much curled into fists. Her knee, ankle, wrist and elbow joints were also swollen. I imagine her hips were bad too. She was in a wheel chair in her 50s. She weighted under 90 lbs. She was born in 1898 so there wasn't much medical relief available for her until Cortisone became available in 1948. Her doctor prescribed it and many other things. She had a bread pan full of medications to counter the side effects of the steroid. The medications destroyed her liver and kidneys and she died in her 60s. It was shortly after her death that joint replacements became more available.

When I had my second knee replaced I had to take a class that explained everything involved with having it done. Most of the people having it done had Scandinavian heritage. My mother grandparents all emigrated from Norway in the 1880s. My fathers parents came from Germany at about the same time and don't have any joint problems but have a history of dementia.

 

[ralphc1]

!!!!!

That's one knock I got against this surgeon I used damnit, I could used a cripped out parking sticker, but they wouldn't give me one. Gotta park at the end of the fucking lot and igor up to the store!

When I had my knees replaced I was able to get a 6 month handicapped permit but he wouldn't give me the paperwork until after surgery. Then I had to go to the DMV to get the permit. Once I got it, it seemed like everywhere I went, the handicapped parking spots were full.

I had fun with the prescriptions too. They won't give patients the medications to take home and they won't give the patient the prescription to take to a drug store. They will send the prescription to a drug store that you chose. I had them send it to the pharmacy that I used. It was on a Saturday morning. They were slow getting me released. I didn't know that the store closed at 1PM on Saturday and it was 1:30 by the time they released me. The pharmacy didn't have an emergency number. I called my doctors office to see if they could transfer the prescription somewhere else. They said their policy wouldn't allow it so I had to wait until 9 AM Monday to get them. I was supposed to get my blood drawn at 8 AM to check the Warfarin level. Since I didn't have any Warfarin to take I called to see if I should skip it. They said I had to come in. I didn't have a handicap permit so I couldn't use the handicap parking. I had to use a walker to go about 1/2 a block for an unnecessary blood test. Then I went and got the medications. After that I only use Walgreens for prescriptions.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

https://www.genengnews.com/news/new-genetic-risk-factors-for-osteoarthritis-uncovered/

It's mainly down to genetics. Osteoarthritis and Rheumatoid Arthritis might be more closely related than was first thought. Osteo Arthritis might just be a milder form of Rheumatoid Arthritis. My mothers side of the family has a lot of arthritis both on her father's and mother's side of the families. My mother's mother was pretty crippled up with it in her mid 30s. Her hands were pretty much curled into fists. Her knee, ankle, wrist and elbow joints were also swollen. I imagine her hips were bad too. She was in a wheel chair in her 50s. She weighted under 90 lbs. She was born in 1898 so there wasn't much medical relief available for her until Cortisone became available in 1948. Her doctor prescribed it and many other things. She had a bread pan full of medications to counter the side effects of the steroid. The medications destroyed her liver and kidneys and she died in her 60s. It was shortly after her death that joint replacements became more available.

When I had my second knee replaced I had to take a class that explained everything involved with having it done. Most of the people having it done had Scandinavian heritage. My mother grandparents all emigrated from Norway in the 1880s. My fathers parents came from Germany at about the same time and don't have any joint problems but have a history of dementia.

How active have you been able to be with the fake knees?

 

[fingercuffs]

Got my big appt tomorrow, looking forward to thrashing out if I'm allowed surgery.

Chatting to Graves the other night was quality knowing what to expect.

 

[BlankaPresident]

@fingercuffs , so how was it?

 

[fingercuffs]

@fingercuffs , so how was it?

Not shabby, the surgeon''s really nice but there's a 3-4 month backlog so I'll just keep on with the supplements till I get the right one replaced.
He's planning on doing the right one, get back to normal and get the other one done a few months later.
I can't believe it isn't a general anesthetic, I'm more worried about that than the actual surgery and physical therapy after.

 

[BlankaPresident]

Not bad. I know it sucks to wait in pain, but 3 months is not long in the grand scheme of things. It's probably backlogged because of the interruption of elective surgeries due to covid.

And it's pretty safe to be done under spinal anesthesia, the surgery doesn't take more than 90 minutes under normal circumstances. Just ask your anesthesiologist to put you to sleep so you don't listen to your femur being hammered. <45>

 

[ralphc1]

How active have you been able to be with the fake knees?

I got about ten good years until my back decided to give up. The knees are still good but I'm losing control of my legs.

 

[ralphc1]

Not bad. I know it sucks to wait in pain, but 3 months is not long in the grand scheme of things. It's probably backlogged because of the interruption of elective surgeries due to covid.

And it's pretty safe to be done under spinal anesthesia, the surgery doesn't take more than 90 minutes under normal circumstances. Just ask your anesthesiologist to put you to sleep so you don't listen to your femur being hammered. <45>

They don't even hammer on the femur anymore. They cut the end of the bone flat and glue it on.

 

[Gavster]

I don't have a sweet tooth too much, and can deal without ice cream. I know they shove a ton of sugar in processed foods, but I don't eat much of that anyway other than cans of tomatoes. Thankfully I love cooking so I'll hopefully be able to adapt.

Share more about your diet? Meat eater, vegetarian, vegan, carb heavy or light, junk food, processed foods?
Tomato’s are a nightshade vegetables and can cause more inflammation contributing to aches and pains.

Do you digest calcium easily, are you indoors a lot? What’s the weather like where you are? Are you pale?

Do you get enough omega 3, 6 and 9? Fatty acids are good for the joints, some people rate glucosamine sulphate but I notice some bodies don’t like too much sulphate.

Vitamin D tablets and hummus (I wasn’t doing well on dairy) started to help me quite a lot. Also I was seeing a physio doing lots of sacrum exercises, hip openings, strengthening, stretching, just really light at first as I spent three years in bed and a wheelchair.

What kind of sleeper are you, left side, right side, front or back and what kind of mattress do you have, soft or hard? A mattress topper can help if the bed is too hard and a small pillow or something soft like a jumper between the knees if they knock together.

Then there is stress and emotions, having someone help process them can help your body stay out of nervous system excitement and use nutrients magnesium for relaxing instead of stressing. If the adrenals are under constant stress they keep pumping out hormones and using up the bodies nutrients to stay in fight/flight mode, this can contribute to arthritis.

I know I asked a lot of questions there but some of your answers could show what is contributing to it. I have seen plenty of people who didn’t need surgery because they adapted their lifestyle and moved out of pain.

 

[fingercuffs]

Share more about your diet? Meat eater, vegetarian, vegan, carb heavy or light, junk food, processed foods?
Tomato’s are a nightshade vegetables and can cause more inflammation contributing to aches and pains.

Do you digest calcium easily, are you indoors a lot? What’s the weather like where you are? Are you pale?

Do you get enough omega 3, 6 and 9? Fatty acids are good for the joints, some people rate glucosamine sulphate but I notice some bodies don’t like too much sulphate.

Vitamin D tablets and hummus (I wasn’t doing well on dairy) started to help me quite a lot. Also I was seeing a physio doing lots of sacrum exercises, hip openings, strengthening, stretching, just really light at first as I spent three years in bed and a wheelchair.

What kind of sleeper are you, left side, right side, front or back and what kind of mattress do you have, soft or hard? A mattress topper can help if the bed is too hard and a small pillow or something soft like a jumper between the knees if they knock together.

Then there is stress and emotions, having someone help process them can help your body stay out of nervous system excitement and use nutrients magnesium for relaxing instead of stressing. If the adrenals are under constant stress they keep pumping out hormones and using up the bodies nutrients to stay in fight/flight mode, this can contribute to arthritis.

I know I asked a lot of questions there but some of your answers could show what is contributing to it. I have seen plenty of people who didn’t need surgery because they adapted their lifestyle and moved out of pain.

When I want to be I'm pretty healthy. Since Covid started I've taken my foot off the gas a bit, but I know about superfoods, nutrients, all of the benefits...I was pretty much all Italian or Asian for years...the goodness from a med lifestyle and then the difference with a healthy Asian diet.
I know my way around a kitchen, it's one of very few things I know about thankfully.
This hip surgery isn't happening in 3-4 months and while I will continue with the cod liver and 8 other bone pill popping I'm not giving up dairy or shellfish..if I'm getting a full hip replacement on right side then left replacement left side in a few months. I just want to enjoy life at the moment after our 2 years of hell which is coming to a close.

 

[fingercuffs]

@Gavster
My daily routine which @BlankaPresident my surgeon was scratching his head about being the surgery can create blood clots. I'm on Tamoxifen as a breast cancer drug for the next 13 years at least. Should I shelve that being there's a risk of blood clots with the surgery? These are things to think about.

I was on Vit D and calcium for 2 years every day...I've changed it up heaps in the last week.

 

[Gavster]

@fingercuffs sounds like you have the food and nutrient angle covered! Wow damn, did it get worse with the tamoxifen? One of the side effects is joint pain.

I do a lot of emotional work in the body and even having a conversation with the pain can bring some new awareness and release. I treated an osteopath once who saw fifteen other physical therapists stating that no one had been able to unlock her right hip. It was very stuck.

I checked in and asked her to state, “I release my anger at my father.” And her locked hip suddenly splayed open and all these old emotions came to the surface.

So another model to look at is around emotions getting stored in the hip (right side - towards father, men) (left side - towards mother, women). The hips are also the ability to move forwards, which has been pretty messed up in this covid time.

Just thought I’d offer another avenue to explore of the repression of unwanted emotions that get stored in the body and can impact the blood flow to that body part eg. Anger in liver, grief in lungs. Our prime minister got ‘stabbed in the back’ by his deputy prime minister (and the whole party) 12 years ago and shortly after needed gallbladder surgery.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

I got about ten good years until my back decided to give up. The knees are still good but I'm losing control of my legs.

Sorry man,
Are yours fixed bearing implants, or the other kind? Can't think the name offhand.

What's the deal with your back?

 

[fingercuffs]

@fingercuffs sounds like you have the food and nutrient angle covered! Wow damn, did it get worse with the tamoxifen? One of the side effects is joint pain.

I do a lot of emotional work in the body and even having a conversation with the pain can bring some new awareness and release. I treated an osteopath once who saw fifteen other physical therapists stating that no one had been able to unlock her right hip. It was very stuck.

I checked in and asked her to state, “I release my anger at my father.” And her locked hip suddenly splayed open and all these old emotions came to the surface.

So another model to look at is around emotions getting stored in the hip (right side - towards father, men) (left side - towards mother, women). The hips are also the ability to move forwards, which has been pretty messed up in this covid time.

Just thought I’d offer another avenue to explore of the repression of unwanted emotions that get stored in the body and can impact the blood flow to that body part eg. Anger in liver, grief in lungs. Our prime minister got ‘stabbed in the back’ by his deputy prime minister (and the whole party) 12 years ago and shortly after needed gallbladder surgery.

Thank you heaps for this (my mother was a saint though, my dad not so much probably why my right hip is the one that's proper fucked ) had it not been decided with the surgeon yesterday that I really need the surgery I was willing to try everything.

So if I want the odd carb, cheese and some tomatoes I'm going to. I just have to have my feet up for a bit after, I'll carry on with all the bone supplements because aside from my hips they're generally really good for the rest of you anyway.

 

[fingercuffs]

Share more about your diet? Meat eater, vegetarian, vegan, carb heavy or light, junk food, processed foods?
Tomato’s are a nightshade vegetables and can cause more inflammation contributing to aches and pains.

Do you digest calcium easily, are you indoors a lot? What’s the weather like where you are? Are you pale?

Do you get enough omega 3, 6 and 9? Fatty acids are good for the joints, some people rate glucosamine sulphate but I notice some bodies don’t like too much sulphate.

Vitamin D tablets and hummus (I wasn’t doing well on dairy) started to help me quite a lot. Also I was seeing a physio doing lots of sacrum exercises, hip openings, strengthening, stretching, just really light at first as I spent three years in bed and a wheelchair.

What kind of sleeper are you, left side, right side, front or back and what kind of mattress do you have, soft or hard? A mattress topper can help if the bed is too hard and a small pillow or something soft like a jumper between the knees if they knock together.

Then there is stress and emotions, having someone help process them can help your body stay out of nervous system excitement and use nutrients magnesium for relaxing instead of stressing. If the adrenals are under constant stress they keep pumping out hormones and using up the bodies nutrients to stay in fight/flight mode, this can contribute to arthritis.

I know I asked a lot of questions there but some of your answers could show what is contributing to it. I have seen plenty of people who didn’t need surgery because they adapted their lifestyle and moved out of pain.

I've been on Vit D and calcium supplements for just over 2 years due to another issue and I definitely don't get out as much as I should, I live in an apartment complex so the outside area is for everyone rather than me just laying out with a book uninterrupted like I was used to before.

Apart from cans of tomatoes I don't eat much of anything processed really, Condiments I'm guilty of in that department but I also enjoy making my own so I'll get on with that, unless I can find a work from home job I'm going to have a lot of time on my hands for the next year or so if I get them both replaced.

The left one we'll wait and see after the right one heals up. I just want a fresh start, my main love is cooking so I was willing to invent new meal ideas but my main love is making fresh pasta with tomato based sauces of whichever variety and giving that up would be torture.You have a very interesting career and I can see why your patients open up to you.

 

[ralphc1]

Sorry man,
Are yours fixed bearing implants, or the other kind? Can't think the name offhand.

What's the deal with your back?

It's a Parrs defect at L5 also called spondylolysis. There are structures on the vertebrae that keep them aligned. They are missing on my L5 vertebra so it moves out of alignment putting pressure on the nerves of the spinal cord. They can wear out with age or break from trauma. I was 52 when it was first discovered with Xrays and confirmed with an MRI. There are no signs of any bone fragments so if it was an injury, it was long enough ago that the bone has been absorbed. It is also possible that it was a birth defect.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

It's a Parrs defect at L5 also called spondylolysis. There are structures on the vertebrae that keep them aligned. They are missing on my L5 vertebra so it moves out of alignment putting pressure on the nerves of the spinal cord. They can wear out with age or break from trauma. I was 52 when it was first discovered with Xrays and confirmed with an MRI. There are no signs of any bone fragments so if it was an injury, it was long enough ago that the bone has been absorbed. It is also possible that it was a birth defect.

Can they stabilize with a rod or something, ala Don Frye or Conor Cummings? Hell, if they can get around still they ought to be able to fix anyone.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2010/august/aug1710-cummins-x-rays/

 

[SammyPops]

I had an x-ray done yesterday and it's been found that I have "Severe bilateral hip arthritis. Arthritis score: Severe Arthritis (Tonnis 3). " which apparently is the worst you can have.

I put it down to an old tennis and dirt biking injury and being thrown off a few horses but I should be so bloody lucky.

If you or anyone you know has had it, what do you do for pain management? Don't suggest weed, now I don't have to worry about getting drug tested for a new job I'm going to be baking a shedload with it.

If you do know anyone, did they go in for a hip replacement? I have been referred to the orthopedic department so hopefully I can go and see them this week.

/cue the old hag jibes.

First thing I read when I logged into Kaiser this morning for my results was think of this. The Brits'll get it.

I have it in four toes on my foot. The doc basically said deal with the pain and when it gets too bad, come in for a cortosone shot, and eventually they can fuse my toes if needed.

It was described to me a wear and tear arthritius, which a lot of active people get. mine is certainly from thai boxing and kicking pads, elbows for 20+ years.

I use topical antiinflamatory cream after workouts and take Aleave every 4 hours when I know I'm going to be on my feet constantly, like on vacation in NYC or Rome.

What did the specialist say about surgical outcomes?