Anyone else feel like Marvel deciding to make everything a comedy is just lazy writing?

Capeshit just needs to die off in general, but it won't as long as the piggies can be relied on to queue up for their slop year after year.
 
Never seen one. Never will. I also don't go in for Peppa Pig and I have no idea what Baby Shark sounds like.

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Bullitt68 said:
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Who are these comedy directors you speak of, what are the films of theirs you have in mind, and what films from drama directors do you think their films outpace in the action department? Because I'm having a hard time making sense of this claim. What comedy directors have made better battle sequences than Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket or Steven Spielberg's Saving Private Ryan, or better shootouts than John Woo's The Killer or Michael Mann's Heat, or better large-scale set-pieces than James Cameron's Avatar or Christopher Nolan's Inception, or better fight scenes than Paul Greengrass' Bourne movies or Gareth Evans' Raid movies, etc.?
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Russo Brothers. Their super hero fights are the best ones.
 
GolovKing said:
It's more of an art and skill to successfully produce cinema that is more dark or serious yet captivating enough to catch people's attention. This new marvel stuff is just so corny to me, seems like they are just looking for easy money and not trying to make any actual great pieces of work
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Yes. It works sometimes but is mostly horrible.
 
GolovKing said:
It's more of an art and skill to successfully produce cinema that is more dark or serious yet captivating enough to catch people's attention. This new marvel stuff is just so corny to me, seems like they are just looking for easy money and not trying to make any actual great pieces of work
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People want entertainment. "Dark & serious" doesn't automatically make good entertainment, otherwise everyone would be making everything dark & serious. Good comedy isn't easy to write either.
 
Magooglie said:
Russo Brothers. Their super hero fights are the best ones.
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You said "comedy directors," plural, and you claimed that comedy directors are better at directing action scenes than dramatic directors. You can like the Russo brothers, but that doesn't even begin to corroborate your wild blanket statement. Do you have other comedy directors, plural, who you can point to whose action efforts are better than those of dramatic directors, plural? Or did you just mean that you think the Russo brothers, who happened to start in comedy, happen to make your favorite superhero movies? The latter is fine, but it doesn't corroborate the former.
 
Bullitt68 said:
You said "comedy directors," plural, and you claimed that comedy directors are better at directing action scenes than dramatic directors. You can like the Russo brothers, but that doesn't even begin to corroborate your wild blanket statement. Do you have other comedy directors, plural, who you can point to whose action efforts are better than those of dramatic directors, plural? Or did you just mean that you think the Russo brothers, who happened to start in comedy, happen to make your favorite superhero movies? The latter is fine, but it doesn't corroborate the former.
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Favreau, Taika, Gunn. I think their action scenes are also good. Not as good as the Russos. The Russos make the best super hero action scenes.

Also, did you not realize you're in a thread about Marvel movies? When I said comedy directors are better than drama directors at action scenes why did you list a whole bunch of non Marvel movies? Do you think I don't read the topic like you don't? In Marvel movies the people I listed did better action than Coogler, Branagh, and Zhao. If any of the directors you listed want to make a marvel or super hero movie they can be my guest.

PS. The Russos are better at super hero action than Nolan.
 
Magooglie said:
Favreau, Taika, Gunn. I think their action scenes are also good. Not as good as the Russos. The Russos make the best super hero action scenes.

Also, did you not realize you're in a thread about Marvel movies? When I said comedy directors are better than drama directors at action scenes why did you list a whole bunch of non Marvel movies? Do you think I don't read the topic like you don't? In Marvel movies the people I listed did better action than Coogler, Branagh, and Zhao. If any of the directors you listed want to make a marvel or super hero movie they can be my guest.

PS. The Russos are better at super hero action than Nolan.
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You didn't specify superhero action, let alone Marvel superhero action, in your first post the way that you're specifying it now, you just said comedy directors are better at action than drama directors, and how specific you were (or weren't) being with that claim is what I was asking about. Now your position is a lot clearer. I still disagree with it in the main, but it's not wildly off-base and I respect your opinion. Favreau and Waititi have definitely done better stuff than Coogler and Zhao, though I think that Thor from Branagh is better than their stuff and I think that Shane Black's Iron Man 3 is better than Favreau's. I also prefer Thor: The Dark World to Thor: Ragnarok. And then there's Joss Whedon's two Avengers movies, which I also prefer to the comedy crew's efforts. On the subject of this thread, my preference for the more dramatic over the more comedic informs a lot of this, but at least I get where you're coming from now.

Your opinion on the Russos being better at anything than Christopher Nolan, though...that's just crazy talk. James Mangold is the only superhero movie director who's made anything that's comparable to Nolan, with Logan in particular not just standing head and shoulders above the entire MCU but IMO standing as the GOAT superhero movie behind The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. And, once again, all three of my top picks are serious and dramatic, which is why they resonate so strongly with me.
 
The sarcasm comedy schtick marvel has going on got old like in 2013.
 
Bullitt68 said:
You didn't specify superhero action, let alone Marvel superhero action, in your first post the way that you're specifying it now, you just said comedy directors are better at action than drama directors, and how specific you were (or weren't) being with that claim is what I was asking about. Now your position is a lot clearer. I still disagree with it in the main, but it's not wildly off-base and I respect your opinion. Favreau and Waititi have definitely done better stuff than Coogler and Zhao, though I think that Thor from Branagh is better than their stuff and I think that Shane Black's Iron Man 3 is better than Favreau's. I also prefer Thor: The Dark World to Thor: Ragnarok. And then there's Joss Whedon's two Avengers movies, which I also prefer to the comedy crew's efforts. On the subject of this thread, my preference for the more dramatic over the more comedic informs a lot of this, but at least I get where you're coming from now.

Your opinion on the Russos being better at anything than Christopher Nolan, though...that's just crazy talk. James Mangold is the only superhero movie director who's made anything that's comparable to Nolan, with Logan in particular not just standing head and shoulders above the entire MCU but IMO standing as the GOAT superhero movie behind The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. And, once again, all three of my top picks are serious and dramatic, which is why they resonate so strongly with me.
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The Nolan Batman movies have some of the worst fist fights in superhero movies ever. The Bale voice is also more ridiculous every time I watch them. And the cops coming out of the sewers to take back the city is hilarious. Best comedy in a DC movie.
 
Magooglie said:
The Nolan Batman movies have some of the worst fist fights in superhero movies ever. The Bale voice is also more ridiculous every time I watch them. And the cops coming out of the sewers to take back the city is hilarious. Best comedy in a DC movie.
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Making us believe maggie Gyllenhaal was a babe is also unintentional comedy.
 
Magooglie said:
The Nolan Batman movies have some of the worst fist fights in superhero movies ever. The Bale voice is also more ridiculous every time I watch them. And the cops coming out of the sewers to take back the city is hilarious. Best comedy in a DC movie.
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The sewer fight between Batman and Bane in The Dark Knight Rises is the best superhero fight scene ever, I've never cared about Bale's growling voice (though I find it hilarious how in The Batman Jeffrey Wright for some reason thought that Gordon was in a growling contest with Batman), and the Batman/cops versus Bane/crooks battle is at times a shot-for-shot/beat-by-beat homage to the Bruce Lee/white uniforms versus Han/brown uniforms battle at the end of Enter the Dragon, my all-time favorite movie, which almost gave me a stroke when I saw it on the big screen and realized what I was watching. You're literally listing the reasons why that movie is so fantastic. Add in the rooftop car chase in Batman Begins; the opening robbery scene, the armored truck scene, and the SWAT team scene in The Dark Knight; and the opening plane scene, the stock exchange scene, the sewer fight scene, and the Batman/cops versus Bane/crooks scene in The Dark Knight Rises, and it's literally unfair to make anything have to compete with Nolan's Batman films.

I know that everyone goes into these movies looking for different things, and that if you're a comic book fan then you have extra baggage with respect to what you identify with in various characters and the kinds of adaptations you want out of film versions, but I'll never understand anyone over the age of 8 who'd rather watch Chris Pratt talk to a squirrel or Paul Rudd be an ant than Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.
 
Bullitt68 said:
The sewer fight between Batman and Bane in The Dark Knight Rises is the best superhero fight scene ever, I've never cared about Bale's growling voice (though I find it hilarious how in The Batman Jeffrey Wright for some reason thought that Gordon was in a growling contest with Batman), and the Batman/cops versus Bane/crooks battle is at times a shot-for-shot/beat-by-beat homage to the Bruce Lee/white uniforms versus Han/brown uniforms battle at the end of Enter the Dragon, my all-time favorite movie, which almost gave me a stroke when I saw it on the big screen and realized what I was watching. You're literally listing the reasons why that movie is so fantastic. Add in the rooftop car chase in Batman Begins; the opening robbery scene, the armored truck scene, and the SWAT team scene in The Dark Knight; and the opening plane scene, the stock exchange scene, the sewer fight scene, and the Batman/cops versus Bane/crooks scene in The Dark Knight Rises, and it's literally unfair to make anything have to compete with Nolan's Batman films.

I know that everyone goes into these movies looking for different things, and that if you're a comic book fan then you have extra baggage with respect to what you identify with in various characters and the kinds of adaptations you want out of film versions, but I'll never understand anyone over the age of 8 who'd rather watch Chris Pratt talk to a squirrel or Paul Rudd be an ant than Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy.
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I can't take you seriously if you think grunting while throwing punches in the dark makes for THE BEST SUPERHERO fight scene ever. It's pretty funny though when Batman turns off the lights and tries to use smoke to escape getting his ass kicked and also that Catwoman is there watching like it's some weird form of cucking. I do like Tom Hardy's voice. It's fun to imitate. The thing with the Nolan Trilogy is the best parts of the trilogy are the villians talking. I don't think he can direct punching, but man can he direct villains talking. Bale talking in the costume is probably the worst part. As for the Cops vs Gang scene, it's a terrible homage to Enter the Dragon. Enter The Dragon is a martial arts melee. It makes sense. These weird cops that came out of the sewer just run straight to the automatic rifle carrying guys and then start fist fighting them. This shit is the climax to what was supposed to be realism meets comics? It's silly in the worst ways. The set up is dumb with them all hiding in the sewers in the first place, and then the fight is dumb. I don't know how a grown adult can watch that and call it cinema. At least with Marvel they start off with the premise that it's a whacked out crazy universe and then they have a fun sandbox to put a lot of movies in, some which are bad and some which have the best super hero action ever.
 
Magooglie said:
I can't take you seriously if you think grunting while throwing punches in the dark makes for THE BEST SUPERHERO fight scene ever. It's pretty funny though when Batman turns off the lights and tries to use smoke to escape getting his ass kicked and also that Catwoman is there watching like it's some weird form of cucking. I do like Tom Hardy's voice. It's fun to imitate. The thing with the Nolan Trilogy is the best parts of the trilogy are the villians talking. I don't think he can direct punching, but man can he direct villains talking. Bale talking in the costume is probably the worst part. As for the Cops vs Gang scene, it's a terrible homage to Enter the Dragon. Enter The Dragon is a martial arts melee. It makes sense. These weird cops that came out of the sewer just run straight to the automatic rifle carrying guys and then start fist fighting them. This shit is the climax to what was supposed to be realism meets comics? It's silly in the worst ways. The set up is dumb with them all hiding in the sewers in the first place, and then the fight is dumb. I don't know how a grown adult can watch that and call it cinema. At least with Marvel they start off with the premise that it's a whacked out crazy universe and then they have a fun sandbox to put a lot of movies in, some which are bad and some which have the best super hero action ever.
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Yep, I don't understand you, but keep finding your enjoyment in whatever movies you can.

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