Any Marvel experts? Some questions on TOAA, Beyonder, LT etc.

[scrubido]

All of The End marvel books are solid imo.

Punisher: The End is probably the perfect punisher story. Once you read it, you think, yeah thats the way it had to end.

 

[sleepwalk]

Levels of infinity is really what needs to be understood when talking about comic books and their all powerful characters. One can be all-powerful in it's specific realm (ie, all powerful when it comes to even numbers) and another all-powerful when it comes to another realm (all powerful when it comes to odd numbers), and still a third all powerful in that it has power over both realms (even and odd). The last is more powerful than either the first two, but all are 'all-powerful'.

Then of course you have creatures like Eternity which are all powerful in their specific dimension/reality (also the way the Infinity Gauntlet works, giving it's bearer power only in it's reality of origin, allowing the bearer of the Infinity Gauntlet to overpower Eternity, but still not have power over the Living Tribunal).

At some point will some character or story device be more powerful than the One Above All? No doubt, everything that can happen will eventually happen in comics, but really nothing is more powerful than the OAA.

Where some creature might have all the even numbers and some other all the odd numbers, and some other all the numbers, and yet some other power over all math, the OAA is still the guy holding the pencil and the paper.

As soon as I saw the thread, I thought of this. IIRC, I once read a backup story in a Silver Surfer annual(?) where Kubik (a personified cosmic cube and "infinitely powered" being) was talking about a nearby Celestial to his companion and used the same "odds and evens" comparison. Spot on. Good show.

 

[Fedorgasm]

All of The End marvel books are solid imo.

Punisher: The End is probably the perfect punisher story. Once you read it, you think, yeah thats the way it had to end.

The punisher ended?

Are these books like non-canon or something?

What other "the end" books are good? Is there one for every major character?

Edit: never mind, I found some info online. Apparently the end series depicts one possible end for the character, and it's set in the future.

 

[Gref]

Thanks didnt know that. So Shuma's Octopus form is not his real form?

got all my info from the Capcom games lol.

It's his real form. Shuma is massive in his own dimension but loses power and size when he goes to another. He does get stronger the longer he stays in one place though.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

Honorable Mention:

 

[Strange King]

The punisher ended?

Are these books like non-canon or something?

What other "the end" books are good? Is there one for every major character?

Edit: never mind, I found some info online. Apparently the end series depicts one possible end for the character, and it's set in the future.

Marvel the end was great

 

[wlu29]

What? Galactus got kicked out of Professor X's mutant superhero group The Fantastic Four because he was so powerful as to be considered dangerous and a threat to national security. It doesn't matter what universe or big bang he originated from, the point is that he's the most powerful mutant ever.

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[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

$5 bucks says Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet could pwn them easily.

5 bucks says you're wrong.

In Avengers currently all the cosmic entities have been killed by the Beyonders. That includes Living Tribunal.

So as of right now Marvel is pushing the Beyonders as the most powerful entities. But that can all change very quickly.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

What? Galactus got kicked out of Professor X's mutant superhero group The Fantastic Four because he was so powerful as to be considered dangerous and a threat to national security. It doesn't matter what universe or big bang he originated from, the point is that he's the most powerful mutant ever.

This post is pure gold

 

[Adamant]

5 bucks says you're wrong.

In Avengers currently all the cosmic entities have been killed by the Beyonders. That includes Living Tribunal.

So as of right now Marvel is pushing the Beyonders as the most powerful entities. But that can all change very quickly.

Even the Celestials?

Phoenix Force can't be killed.

 

[bad seed]

you mean this can?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Even the Celestials?

Phoenix Force can't be killed.

The celestials and the Phoenix force are both less powerful than the Living Tribunal.

And yes the beyond era killed the celestials.

 

[Adamant]

The celestials and the Phoenix force are both less powerful than the Living Tribunal.

And yes the beyond era killed the celestials.

I know where the TLT stands. The fact that they killed him (in 616?) is quite impressive.

The Phoenix Force rests on the arm of the Living Tribunal. That's how it's depicted. But if the Phoenix Force was snuffed out, then all life everywhere in all of Marvel would be snuffed out, because the Phoenix Force is directly linked to life itself.

I believe the Inifity Gauntlet would be a match for the Beyonders. But say it wasn't, then the HOTU absolutely would be. Goes without saying.

 

[scrubido]

Mutant X arc had the goblin entity waste the phoenix force, no prob.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

I know where the TLT stands. The fact that they killed him (in 616?) is quite impressive.

The Phoenix Force rests on the arm of the Living Tribunal. That's how it's depicted. But if the Phoenix Force was snuffed out, then all life everywhere in all of Marvel would be snuffed out, because the Phoenix Force is directly linked to life itself.

I believe the Inifity Gauntlet would be a match for the Beyonders. But say it wasn't, then the HOTU absolutely would be. Goes without saying.

Secret wars Beyonders defeats LT. and thanos with IG. The updated version of hickmans Beyonders killed LT so I'm gonna have to stick with them being the most powerful

 

[Adamant]

Secret wars Beyonders defeats LT. and thanos with IG. The updated version of hickmans Beyonders killed LT so I'm gonna have to stick with them being the most powerful

The act of actually defeating Thanos with the IG has never happened. He was never defeated while in possession of it, by anyone.

Thanos with the HOTU completely pwn'd The Living Tribunal and everyone else who came against him. It was implied that the HOTU was a direct link to the power of TOAA.


If Protege was around the Beyonders long enough, would be interesting to see if he could defeat them. Judging by his past, he has a good chance of absorbing their powers.

Would also be interesting to see what would happen if Scathan were called in and judged against the Beyonders.

 

[Frank23]

you mean this can?

How does that make him a can?

 

[Adamant]

Shit, Doom stole the Beyonder's powers at one point.

 

[Basil**]

good breakdown here
http://imgur.com/a/MRNQn?gallery#0

Ranking the power of cosmic entities in Marvel is a fairly pointless endeavor, because they always retcon the shit out of who's the most powerful, or how powerful an entity can be. I mean why are spots 3 and 6 on that list taken up by Celestials? Traditionally, although powerful, they've never been top 10 material. Back in the day Exitar was presented as being the most powerful Celestial, and he was a fucking can who got besmirched by Susan Storm. Meanwhile the supposed leader of the Celestials, the other One Above All got murked by Thanos with the gauntlet along with Eternity et al. Now this list has Tiamut and Scathan ahead of LT? Whatever.

 

[scrubido]

The act of actually defeating Thanos with the IG has never happened. He was never defeated while in possession of it, by anyone.

Thanos with the HOTU completely pwn'd The Living Tribunal and everyone else who came against him. It was implied that the HOTU was a direct link to the power of TOAA.


If Protege was around the Beyonders long enough, would be interesting to see if he could defeat them. Judging by his past, he has a good chance of absorbing their powers.

Would also be interesting to see what would happen if Scathan were called in and judged against the Beyonders.

Scathan is dead bro.