Crime Antifa gets cancelled

[avenue94]

They organize and rally behind flags/insignia.

It isn't that difficult actually.

Organizing and rallying behind flags/insignia does not make an organization lol.

Not to mention your approach is blatantly unconstitutional and violates the 1st.

Do you think Raider Nation is an actual organization or country because they rally behind a flag and insignia too?

 

[avenue94]

Certain christian nationalist groups and Muslim groups are named as terrorist organizations though.

Exactly, specific organizations are, not blanket classifications that are near meaningless as categories.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Organizing and rallying behind flags/insignia does not make an organization lol.

Not to mention your approach is blatantly unconstitutional and violates the 1st.

Do you think Raider Nation is an actual organization or country too because they rally behind a flag and insignia too?

I don't think it matters if it escapes the conventional wisdom as to what constitutes an organization.

These people organize and commit massive amounts of property destruction and political violence.

That's more than enough.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Certain christian nationalist groups and Muslim groups are named as terrorist organizations though.

The current admin has refused to call 3%ers, proud boys, or oath keepers terrorist organizations. Hell, I’m not sure if patriot front is on their list.

 

[avenue94]

I don't think it matters if it escapes the conventional wisdom as to what constitutes an organization.

These people organize and commit massive amounts of property destruction and political violence.

That's more than enough.

It's not, the point of classifications for terror is you need to be able to easily identity membership without too many false positives.

How are you so confident discussing American politics while knowing so little of my country?

You're proposing stripping 1A rights en mass for next to no compelling state interest.

Can you even explain how much political violence and property destruction you attribute to Antifa in the last 5 years?

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

It's not, the point of classifications for terror is you need to be able to easily identity membership without too many false positives.

How are you so confident discussing American politics while knowing so little of my country?

You're proposing stripping 1A rights en mass for next to no compelling state interest.

Can you even explain how much political violence and property destruction you attribute to Antifa in the last 5 years?

Because Antifa isn't uniquely American, dumb ass. They've been a problem in Europe since forever.

BLM protests caused upwards of $1 Billion in insurance claims from looting and property destruction, and while it's not exclusively Antifa, it's a general approximation.


Avenue: how will we ever identify them?!?

 

[avenue94]

Because Antifa isn't uniquely American, dumb ass. They've been a problem in Europe since forever.

BLM protests caused upwards of $1 Billion in insurance claims from looting and property destruction, and while it's not exclusively Antifa, it's a general approximation.


Avenue: how will we ever identify them?!?

So, if a 14-year old wears a shirt with the Antifa flag or insignia, you would designate him a member of a terror group?

And what approximation of that $1 billion in damage was due to Antifa. 50%? 40%? How are you determining it. Strange how I can list how many bombings or lynchings the KKK or Weather Underground participated in roughly, as well as their leadership and members, but you can't do the same for this "organization"....

 

[Madmick]

Cool, ban Christianity right away. Ideas motivate people to commit atrocious Acts. Well, there was chattel slavery where Christianseven changed the religious doctrine of slavery so it wasnt centered on the males, but the females, so they could own their children as well. There was genocidal colonization complete with re-conditioning schools where Natives were violently punished for being Natives. Then there was racial segregation after a bunch of Christians lost the Civil War. Theyve violently attacked abortion clinics time abd time again. And recently an Evangelical pastor who went to a literal boot camp where Evangelicals are taught that they're soldiers in a Holy War for the spirit of the Nation compiled himself a hit list and politically assassinated TWO people, one of whom was shielding a child.

So I'm going to assume youd be supportive of "Christians" being labeled terrorists, yes? Especially given they also fund Isreal's behavior in Gaza and our own House Speaker participated in a ritual that was to commemorate the bringing about of the End Times? Guy is literally trying to destroy the World.

This is 100% terrorism and should be outlawed, yes?

SMH, the goal of Christianity is not to actively sow chaos and sow disorder. Conversely, that's specifically what Antifa exists to do. It's their unifying ethos.

White supremacism is an ideology, and we actively designate any groups that adhere to it as terrorists. If they joined a Facebook group titled "White Supremacism", organizing protests from bases like that, and went out with patches that said "White Supremacism" on them, before committing crimes (including battery) and deliberately causing public disorder, or worse, inspired someone to assassinate a major political figure, we wouldn't care if it was a "decentralized network", we would designate it a terrorist group like others that adhere to that ideology, and you would have no issue with it.

 

[avenue94]

SMH, the goal of Christianity is not to actively sow chaos and sow disorder. Conversely, that's specifically what Antifa exists to do. It's their unifying ethos.

White supremacism is an ideology, and we actively designate any groups that adhere to it as terrorists. If they joined a Facebook group titled "White Supremacism", organizing protests from bases like that, and went out with patches that said "White Supremacism" on them, before committing crimes (including battery) and deliberately causing public disorder, or worse, inspired someone to assassinate a major political figure, we wouldn't care if it was a "decentralized network", we would designate it a terrorist group like others that adhere to that ideology, and you would have no issue with it.

We do not actively designate any groups that adhere to White Supremacy as terrorists. Where do you get this kind of drivel?

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

So, if a 14-year old wears a shirt with the Antifa flag or insignia, you would designate him a member of a terror group?

And what approximation of that $1 billion in damage was due to Antifa. 50%? 40%? How are you determining it. Strange how I can list how many bombings or lynchings the KKK or Weather Underground participated in roughly, as well as their leadership and members, but you can't do the same for this "organization"....

Dumb question, people can wear all sorts of inflammatory shit, and yet people don't get locked up for it, but it's safe to say that if you are throwing a Molotov cocktail at a bunch of police officers while dressed in all black and waving an anarchist flag, you're an anarchist.

That's nice dear, now that they are designated a terrorist group, they can gather all the intelligence they need to connect the dots and the experts can deliberate on the best possible way of going after people.

Stop running defense for them soyboy.

 

[AmonTobin]

Because Antifa isn't uniquely American, dumb ass. They've been a problem in Europe since forever.

BLM protests caused upwards of $1 Billion in insurance claims from looting and property destruction, and while it's not exclusively Antifa, it's a general approximation.


Avenue: how will we ever identify them?!?

You have as much evidence that Antifa was looting as you do that alt rights weren’t. Generalizations just take you further and further away from truth. Antifa’s goal is to engage with counter protestors and fascist forces, not loot shops.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

You have as much evidence that Antifa was looting as you do that alt rights weren’t. Generalizations just take you further and further away from truth. Antifa’s goal is to engage with counter protestors and fascist forces, not loot shops.

No one cares what you think. Antifa is about to get fucked by the long dick of the law.

Cope.

 

[AmonTobin]

No one cares what you think. Antifa is about to get fucked by the long dick of the law.

Cope.

That fascist micro dick has had to pay for sex all its life, or rape females for it. Nobody loves it.

No Kings protests were record breaking turn out of people across the country. But you’ll call them all Antifa too.

 

[oldshadow]

You do not have a 1st amendment right to riot. Violence is not a 1st amendment right.

Showing up prepared to commit illegal violence and then doing so is not a 1st amendment right.

They are not a single controlled organization but that doesn't keep them from being a terrorist organization.

You hunt down the money and the local people that are organizing to after peaceful protesters and the police with violence.

 

[oldshadow]

You have as much evidence that Antifa was looting as you do that alt rights weren’t. Generalizations just take you further and further away from truth. Antifa’s goal is to engage with counter protestors and fascist forces, not loot shops.

They counter protest with violence to intimidate and commit violence on protesters they disagree with. They justify and live by the belief that words are violence so they have the right to physical violence.

 

[avenue94]

Dumb question, people can wear all sorts of inflammatory shit, and yet people don't get locked up for it, but it's safe to say that if you are throwing a Molotov cocktail at a bunch of police officers while dressed in all black and waving an anarchist flag, you're an anarchist.

That's nice dear, now that they are designated a terrorist group, they can gather all the intelligence they need to connect the dots and the experts can deliberate on the best possible way of going after people.

Stop running defense for them soyboy.

You're the one arguing that Antifa can be identified by their symbols or flag. That 14-year old I mentioned clearly meets your criteria. So why isn't he a member of a terror group?

And are you arguing that anarchists should also be deemed members of a terror group?

 

[avenue94]

You do not have a 1st amendment right to riot. Violence is not a 1st amendment right.

Showing up prepared to commit illegal violence and then doing so is not a 1st amendment right.

They are not a single controlled organization but that doesn't keep them from being a terrorist organization.

You hunt down the money and the local people that are organizing to after peaceful protesters and the police with violence.

No one has claimed there is a 1st amendment right to riot, nor violence, what a ridiculous straw man.

What's the most loosely controlled organization the US has designated a terror group, in you view?

 

[AmonTobin]

They counter protest with violence to intimidate and commit violence on protesters they disagree with. They justify and live by the belief that words are violence so they have the right to physical violence.

You’ve go to be a special kind of loser to counter protest the No Kings Day protestors. Just like you have to be a massive social reject like Riitenhouse to terrorize BLM protestors.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

Organizing and rallying behind flags/insignia does not make an organization lol.

Not to mention your approach is blatantly unconstitutional and violates the 1st.

Do you think Raider Nation is an actual organization or country because they rally behind a flag and insignia too?

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You should move to europe and sign up

 

[Madmick]

We do not actively designate any groups that adhere to White Supremacy as terrorists. Where do you get this kind of drivel?

I dunno, I guess by being educated. Because, yes, we do.

Technical Difficulties

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Technical Difficulties

The United States remains deeply concerned about the racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist (REMVE) threat worldwide and committed to countering transnational components of violent white supremacism.

Today, the Department of State is designating The Terrorgram Collective (Terrorgram) and three of its leaders as Specially Designated Global Terrorists pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 13224, as amended.

• Terrorgram is a transnational terrorist group that primarily operates on the social media and digital messaging platform Telegram. The group promotes violent white supremacism, solicits attacks on perceived adversaries, and provides guidance and instructional materials on tactics, methods, and targets for attacks, including on critical infrastructure and government officials. The group also glorifies those who have conducted such attacks.