Another question, about Rampage vs Sakuraba back in Pride

[Esile]

Between 00:35 and 00:40 you can that Rampage goes to slam Sakuraba, then stop without slamming just before he hit the floor and lift him back up with no apparent reason, before lifting him again and slamming.

I don't understand at all why he didn't just slam him, but stopped him before hitting the ground, do you have any idea?
Can you explain me?


This the full fight if you need it by the way, that part is around 3:24.
https://v.qq.com/x/page/g053968wl3k.html

 

[Salves sod Iqueac]

Between 00:35 and 00:40 you can that Rampage goes to slam Sakuraba, then stop without slamming just before he hit the floor and lift him back up with no apparent reason, before lifting him again and slamming.

I don't understand at all why he didn't just slam him, but stopped him before hitting the ground, do you have any idea?
Can you explain me?


This the full fight if you need it by the way, that part is around 3:24.
https://v.qq.com/x/page/g053968wl3k.html

It looks more like he slammed him twice didn't he?

 

[Esile]

It looks more like he slammed him twice didn't he?

Well no, Sakuraba didn't touch the floor the first time, did he?
I'm referring to 00:37.

 

[Nnedd]

Saku's elbows hit the floor the first time, keeping his back from hitting flush. It's pretty easy to catch if you slow down the play back.

They were two slams. Both would have gotten him disqualified in most bjj tournaments.

 

[Salves sod Iqueac]

Well not, Sakuraba didn't touch the floor the first time, did he?
I'm referring to 00:37.

Damn you have a good eye lol

It's true! That's weird ...

 

[DooHoChoi]

Ima go with the very popular answer : Rampage was poisoned pre fight

 

[Salves sod Iqueac]

keeping his back from hitting flush

I don't think that is possible, if anything the first slam is that it was not full force.

 

[Nnedd]

Dude, Quinton raises up to get amplitude, then comes down. You guys think it's more likely that uses extreme brute force and power to stop an inch from the ground, than it is that Saku releases his right arm to flag the ground and brace?

Cause, the latter is what happens

Watch it in slow mo

 

[EndlessCritic]

Rampage does not fully commit to the first slam, because the risk of slamming is that you break your own posture and get triangled. After the half slam does not work, he commits to it.

Where's the problem?

In any event, a legendary performance by Sakuraba.

 

[Peteyandjia]

This question makes no sense, but any excuse to watch this epic beyond words fight again is a good one.

 

[Kforcer]

any excuse to watch this epic beyond words fight again is a good one.

Wise words. Its a great example of the multifaceted utility of the standing Kimura game and a really exhibition in catch-wrestling the way he goes from the Kimura trip to the kneebar to at last, the RNC. Nice pperbody to lowerbody to upperbody submission chain.

 

[Kforcer]

One issue with both slams is that Sakuraba is basically sandbagging. Sakuraba's upperbody is hanging down, rather than basically coming up at 90 degrees from Rampage as Arona did. Neither of the slams are that effective for that reason, at least in part.

 

[Xuh]

standing Kimura game

Kimura trip

Spoiler

 

[IndyCovaHart]

Anyone else taking advantage of Subway’s 2fer10?

 

[Esile]

This question makes no sense, but any excuse to watch this epic beyond words fight again is a good one.

Why it doesn't make sense?
It seems a legitimate question to me.

Can't disagree about the second part tough.

 

[Kforcer]

Spoiler

Have you seen the fight? The outside Kimura trip is about the most obvious name for what Sakuraba did, not that it is the only time the move has been done. The Kimura takedown where you hook the leg on the outside of the leg and using the leverage generating by the hold to bring your opponent down. Standing Kimura game...i.e., that thing that every catch guy from time out of mind does a lot of. Securing a Kimura standing, rolling to the ground and finishing, spinning around to the ground to finish or using it set something else up...

I understand your comment is a bit light-hearted, but anyway, I think its fairly clear, especially looking at the fight, what I'm referring to in both cases. In any event, some beautiful grappling from Sakuraba in this fight. And it is cool to see that Kimura trip he used to take Quinton Jackson down for the final time, perhaps especially, because that's some old school catch-wrestling straight out of an early 20th century wrestling manual type of stuff.

 

[Peteyandjia]

Wise words. Its a great example of the multifaceted utility of the standing Kimura game and a really exhibition in catch-wrestling the way he goes from the Kimura trip to the kneebar to at last, the RNC. Nice pperbody to lowerbody to upperbody submission chain.

Saku really did throw everything & the kitchen sink at Rampage, until something finally stuck. Crazy dynamic.

Also I Love the story that Saku was seen in the halls of Saitama right before making his entrance for this fight, smoking a cigarette.

 

[Kforcer]

Saku really did throw everything & the kitchen sink at Rampage, until something finally stuck. Crazy dynamic.

Also I Love the story that Saku was seen in the halls of Saitama right before making his entrance for this fight, smoking a cigarette.

Yeah, Sakuraba's grappling in this fight is way underrated. Great chaining and really sharp wrestling as well, right from the opening bell. That was a classic swing single.

 

[Esile]

Saku really did throw everything & the kitchen sink at Rampage, until something finally stuck. Crazy dynamic.

Also I Love the story that Saku was seen in the halls of Saitama right before making his entrance for this fight, smoking a cigarette.

The only other fight that gave me the same epic vibe (and was even better actually) is Noguiera vs Bob Sapp, also back in Pride in the early 2000s.

 

[rmongler]

Wise words. Its a great example of the multifaceted utility of the standing Kimura game and a really exhibition in catch-wrestling the way he goes from the Kimura trip to the kneebar to at last, the RNC. Nice pperbody to lowerbody to upperbody submission chain.

You saw a lot of the same things in Karo Parisyan's fights too. Probably not a coincidence that he (Karo) trained out of Gene and Gokor's outfit.