Andrew Tate arrested

[Islam Imamate]

Is he threatening them with violence or physically forcing them? If not, it's just a verbal promise. They can just leave.

So in your view as long as violence isn't involved you think indentured servitude should be legal? Bit of an antiquated take to say the lest but alright.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

But let's not infantilize women. It's their choice.

No one is "infantilizing" women ffs, you don't know the facts of the case anymore than we do

If you are right Tate doesn't have much to worry about but when the facts come out it could be a very different story , there are many ways he could have restricted their movement, or it could be the luring of 16 year olds that fucks him .

Time will tell

 

[idrankyourbeer]

A tropical fruit flavoured one obviously. Who hasn't?

have you ever had an alabama hot pocket? they're delicious.

 

[fingercuffs]

Is he threatening them with violence or physically forcing them? If not, it's just a verbal promise. They can just leave.

Again. You don't understand brainwashing, coercion tactics? Why people stay in physical abusive relationships? Cults?

 

[idrankyourbeer]

There's a specific term for exactly this but I cannot remember what it is and don't want to research it.

i would imagine its something like the alabama hot pocket, only in the bum.

 

[Hog-train]

So in your view as long as violence isn't involved you think indentured servitude should be legal? Bit of an antiquated take to say the lest but alright.

My view is that what he was doing was not indentured servitude. They weren't being forced nor did they not get paid. They could have just left. There's no "contract." So how is that indentured servitude?

It's a false equivalence.

No one is "infantilizing" women ffs, you don't know the facts of the case anymore than we do

If you are right Tate doesn't have much to worry about but when the facts come out it could be a very different story , there are many ways he could have restricted their movement, or it could be the luring of 16 year olds that fucks him .

Time will tell

If he did somehow force them against their will, he deserves jailtime. As of the information available now, it seems people are just piling on because they don't like his online persona or thinks he is misogynistic.

People are automatically labeling guilty when we know there's a trial and evidence coming.

 

[Islam Imamate]

My view is that what he was doing was not indentured servitude. They weren't being forced nor did they not get paid. They could have just left. There's no "contract." So how is that indentured servitude?

It's a false equivalence.

I didn't say it was indentured servitude, I'm claiming it was sex trafficking. I just used indentured servitude as an analogy and interestingly you didn't even object to the practice of indentured servitude.

In this case the analogy works because in both cases the person is deceived and then pressured into being exploited.

 

[Hog-train]

Again. You don't understand brainwashing, coercion tactics? Why people stay in physical abusive relationships? Cults?

Coercion, in legal terms is "the use of express or implied threats of violence or reprisal (as discharge from employment) or other intimidating behavior that puts a person in immediate fear of the consequences in order to compel that person to act against his or her will." Actual violence, threats of violence, or other acts of pressure may constitute coercion if they're used to subvert an individual's free will or consent.

Did Tate do any of those things? If so, he should be in jail. But so far there is no evidence that's the case.

Happy to change my mind once the evidence comes out in trial.

It seems people like you just do not like him, thus want him to be guilty. Why not just wait until evidence?

I didn't say it was indentured servitude, I'm claiming it was sex trafficking. I just used indentured servitude as an analogy and interestingly you didn't even object to the practice of indentured servitude.

I'm saying it wasn't indentured servitude. Never said anything about it being a good practice. Again a false equivalency you're trying to make because I happen to disagree with you.

Yes indentured servitude is morally wrong and illegal. That has nothing to do with what I said.

I don't agree what he did (according to the evidence that is currently out) is sex trafficking.

Sex trafficking - the action or practice of illegally transporting people from one country or area to another for the purpose of sexual exploitation.

The girls weren't illegally transported. They came of their own free will.

 

[fingercuffs]

My view is that what he was doing was not indentured servitude. They weren't being forced nor did they not get paid. They could have just left. There's no "contract." So how is that indentured servitude?

It's a false equivalence.



If he did somehow force them against their will, he deserves jailtime. As of the information available now, it seems people are just piling on because they don't like his online persona or thinks he is misogynistic.

People are automatically labeling guilty when we know there's a trial and evidence coming.

Explain to me your knowledge of the

1) Loverboy theory
2) Coercion
3 Manipulation
4) Brainwashing

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

My view is that what he was doing was not indentured servitude. They weren't being forced nor did they not get paid. They could have just left. There's no "contract." So how is that indentured servitude?

It's a false equivalence.



If he did somehow force them against their will, he deserves jailtime. As of the information available now, it seems people are just piling on because they don't like his online persona or thinks he is misogynistic.

People are automatically labeling guilty when we know there's a trial and evidence coming.

You're doing the same thing though , you are stating as fact that the women were free to leave when we simply don't know

Whether he ends up behind bars or not Tate is a human turd , we've learned that much .

 

[Hog-train]

You're doing the same thing though , you are stating as fact that the women were free to leave when we simply don't know

Whether he ends up behind bars or not Tate is a human turd , we've learned that much .

That is true. I do not know if they were free to leave.

However, the girls in that Vice video did not say they were forcibly being forced to stay. In fact, they just left. All we know so far is that they were emotionally manipulated, but not physically forced to do anything.

As I said, why not just WAIT FOR EVIDENCE. That we know is coming soon.

If he did some things by force, like forcibly holding onto their passports, then he should go to jail.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

ohy not just wait until evidence?



I'm saying it wasn't indentured servitude. Never said anything about it being a good practice. Again a false equivalency you're trying to make because I happen to disagree with you.

Yes indentured servitude is morally wrong and illegal. That has nothing to do what what I said.

I don't agree what he did (according to the evidence that is currently out) is sex trafficking.

Sex trafficking - the action or practice of illegally transporting people from one country or area to another for the purpose of sexual exploitation.

The girls weren't illegally transported. They came of their own free will.

Its a discussion forum that's why , a good percentage of threads in the waroom would disappear if this sentiment were applied.

 

[Hog-train]

Explain to me your knowledge of the

1) Loverboy theory
2) Coercion
3 Manipulation
4) Brainwashing

I have no idea what Loverboy theory is. I only knew of Tate in the periphery and after the fact because he's all over the news. Saw the Vice video.

I want to know what actual laws were broken. From what I know so far, it seems he's just an asshole who emotionally manipulated women to do camwork. I see that as being a horrible person, but not illegal. There's a difference between manipulated emotionally and forcing someone.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

I have no idea what Loverboy theory is.

the Loverboy theory is the theory that not everybody was working for the weekend.

 

[fingercuffs]

I have no idea what Loverboy theory is. I only knew of Tate in the periphery and after the fact because he's all over the news. Saw the Vice video.

I want to know what actual laws were broken. From what I know so far, it seems he's just an asshole who emotionally manipulated women to do camwork. I see that as being a horrible person, but not illegal. There's a difference between manipulated emotionally and forcing someone.

You've admitted you don't have any idea. All we needed to know.

 

[Hog-train]

You've admitted you don't have any idea. All we needed to know.

Emotionally manipulating women is not against the law. What actual laws were broken?

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

the Loverboy theory is the theory that not everybody was working for the weekend.

 

[Fugazy]

Is he some scat porn actress as well?

It's a she, and she's a legend.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

What do you mean by this?

Prostitute.

Pretty sure.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Prostitute.

Pretty sure.

The "urban" part is what I was more curious about.