Analysis of Silva's technical decline

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The bad:

[1] Anderson's chin has gone. This is hardly surprising given his age. But it was apparent here and in the Weidman fights. Anderson is aware of it, too. He got dropped by a soft puncher like Bisping. He used to laugh even when being cracked by hard punches.

[2] His offensive reflexes have declined. Anderson still looked pretty quick (head movement still good enough to clown, lateral movement, etc) but his speed is not what it was. Again, given his age this is not a surprise. What was particularly striking was that he didn't appear to be able to find openings for offence for the vast majority of this fight. The old Anderson would have found way more openings - and probably with ease. Here, he couldn't go from observe-orient-decide-act with the speed, and lethality, that was his signature.

[3] His trademark boxing skill has evaporated. Anderson did land some good punches, but these were rarely technically sound. His punching looked wild and sloppy. This is another indication of his age - it could even be discerned manifesting itself in the second Sonnen fight. The last time we saw brilliant boxing was against Okami.

[4] As in the Diaz bout (and the second Weidman fight) his clinch entry and control skills have declined. Anderson has tried to get the muay thai clinch repeatedly against Diaz, and was simply shrugged off. Not the same man who was murdering people in the clinch.

The good:

[1] Despite slowing down, Anderson still has good head movement and reflexes is thus able to avoid the vast majority of his opponent's offence, whether thrown from range (head kicks) or in close (even ducking punches while laid against the fence).

[2] In bursts, Anderson is still very dangerous. He can still use creativity and ultra-violence when he sees an opening that his declining reflexes can take advantage of. This fight demonstrated that clearly. Most fighters would have been stopped by the little offence that Anderson did land - credit to Bisping for pushing through. Anderson was able to show beautiful precision at times - just not with his hands.

[3] Overall, for a forty-year old, it was a pretty amazing performance even though I think Bisping deservedly got the nod.


Summary

Anderson should probably retire. I have little doubt that the Silva who turned up tonight can defeat most of the roster, but he is too old to defeat the elite.

From a technical perspective, what struck me most was that when Anderson led, Bisping did not like it and Anderson always did damage. Silva just did so little leading. He spent most of the fight looking to counter, as always, but doesn't have the reflexes to do it anymore and he gave away rounds. If Silva had been more proactive I sense he would have won the fight, because Bisping was very uncomfortable, and got caught hard, whenever Anderson came at him. Silva's power advantage should have been enough to win rounds through damage if he spent less time ineffectually looking to counter.

Poor game planning by Silva in that respect. But what a determined, gutsy, patient and measured performance by Bisping to edge the fight. He deserved it.
 
He use to be strong in the Muay thai clinch, but lately people have been escaping it with ease.. Remember when he clinch Rich Franklin. Rich tried so hard to get out without success and he was the bigger guy!
 
if he wasn't old people would just be calling this a weird Anderson fight, like the Maia fight.
 
1)Anderson was hurt by Chael's punches. Chael commented on Bisping hitting him really hard, I believe even saying that if Bisping had known how badly he had hurt him, he could have finished him.

2)His reflexes have probably declined a bit. Bisping is 37 though, so it's not like Anderson was fighting a youngin'.

3)Anderson's boxing was and is overrated. Nick Diaz commented on this, and if you look back over his fights, he was never great at taking people out with his hands unless they played his game. He's not good at coming forward with punches and landing combinations. Never was. Chael caught on to it and Weidman capitalized on it. Anderson's game was figured out years ago.

4)There's no matter of fact way to prove this, but I highly doubt his clinch skills have declined. It's more that his opponents studied the clinch game, because they didn't want to be Franklin'd. Franklin had no idea what he was in for and hadn't trained properly to deal with the clinch. Nick Diaz had a perfect defense against the Thai clinch, Weidman was clearly ready for it, and Bisping looked like he'd done his homework as well. He didn't suddenly start suddenly sucking at the clinch, his opponents adapted.

Anderson fought about the way he always did. I'm sure he was a little faster when he was younger but Bisping isn't much younger and has also been in hard fought battles, so the age excuse doesn't really work. Bisping studied him well and Bisping's constant work rate was clearly difficult for Anderson to deal with. Anderson put on so-so performances multiple times, and at this point it seems clear to me that he does so when he either can't hurt an opponent or they won't play his game. He doesn't put punches together well going forward and he never has. His clowning isn't simply playing with his opponent, it is a tactic used for a purpose, the same as any other.

Anderson has weaknesses in his game and always has, people have caught on and his mystique is gone. Anderson was pulling every trick out of the bag to try and throw Bisping off.

He's still a great fighter, but people know how to fight him now (Edit: That's not a denial of Anderson's age, but he wasn't fighting 27 year old up and comer or something. He was fighting a vet nearly his age who has been through more wars in the ring than he has. I like Anderson I've just had enough with the excuses).
 
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if he wasn't old people would just be calling this a weird Anderson fight, like the Maia fight.

And the Cote fight, and the Leites fight. Bisping is 37, only three years younger than Anderson, and Bisping has been in plenty of tough fights. The age excuse doesn't work here.
 
I don't think his chin is gone , he was dropped by Chael in the 1st fight more than once. The fight was good Anderson just needs to let his hand and feet go more.
 
I don't believe Silva has declined much if at all and I don't think his chin has gone. He was dropped by Chael in their first fight. I think Silva has kinda been figured out, for so long people were fighting his fight and giving him way too much respect. Chael, Weidman, Diaz and now Bisping have shown that pushing forward and actually fighting the guy can get the job done. Even in the Leites fight he dropped one or two rounds and could have feasibly lost if Leites hadn't bottled it. Still a tremendous fighter but he's lost the aura of invincibility.
 
Maybe it is time for him to move on to Bellator..."The Retirement Home for MMA Fighters"
 
if he wasn't old people would just be calling this a weird Anderson fight, like the Maia fight.

Huh? Maia looked like an amateur against Silva and had absolutely nothing for him.

Silva had really slow head movement and Bisping landed a bunch of shots, dropped him twice and almost KO'd him.
 
1)Anderson was hurt by Chael's punches. Chael commented on Bisping hitting him really hard, I believe even saying that if Bisping had known how badly he had hurt him, he could have finished him.

2)His reflexes have probably declined a bit. Bisping is 37 though, so it's not like Anderson was fighting a youngin'.

3)Anderson's boxing was and is overrated. Nick Diaz commented on this, and if you look back over his fights, he was never great at taking people out with his hands unless they played his game. He's not good at coming forward with punches and landing combinations. Never was. Chael caught on to it and Weidman capitalized on it. Anderson's game was figured out years ago.

4)There's no matter of fact way to prove this, but I highly doubt his clinch skills have declined. It's more that his opponents studied the clinch game, because they didn't want to be Franklin'd. Franklin had no idea what he was in for and hadn't trained properly to deal with the clinch. Nick Diaz had a perfect defense against the Thai clinch, Weidman was clearly ready for it, and Bisping looked like he'd done his homework as well. He didn't suddenly start suddenly sucking at the clinch, his opponents adapted.

Anderson fought about the way he always did. I'm sure he was a little faster when he was younger but Bisping isn't much younger and has also been in hard fought battles, so the age excuse doesn't really work. Bisping studied him well and Bisping's constant work rate was clearly difficult for Anderson to deal with. Anderson put on so-so performances multiple times, and at this point it seems clear to me that he does so when he either can't hurt an opponent or they won't play his game. He doesn't put punches together well going forward and he never has. His clowning isn't simply playing with his opponent, it is a tactic used for a purpose, the same as any other.

Anderson has weaknesses in his game and always has, people have caught on and his mystique is gone. Anderson was pulling every trick out of the bag to try and throw Bisping off.

He's still a great fighter, but people know how to fight him now.
This is a terrible post.

Anderson was knocked off balance by a punch from Sonnen and immediately recovered and wasn't phased by any of Sonnen's strikes. Even in the rematch

What? That's an incredibly idiotic statement. Anderson is about to be 41 and has more mileage than Bisping. Also, not every fighter ages or deteriorates the same.

And no, his boxing wasn't overrated. His jab and straight/cross have always been money untIl lately, coincidentally when he was past his prime. Diaz never said his boxing was bad, he said his shot selection against Weidman was bad, which it was. He's had much success coming forward and countering with his boxing. It's obvious you've never actually followed Silva's career.

So you are completely ignoring the fact that Anderson is nearly 41 years old with more than 40 fights to his name? He just got 'figured out'?

Stop fucking posting, kid. You don't know shit about MMA.
 
Thing is, he has skills and it was a good fight between two elite strikers. What I didn't like was Bisping not paying attention and getting a flying knee to the face, Anderson phasing in and out of matrix mode, and Silva commemorating when it was clear that he had not won the fight. His corner men even told him that.
 
He's still a great fighter, but people know how to fight him now.

I think that about covers it...

He doesn't have that same "Anderson Silva" mystique anymore that mentally broke so many others before they even got in there with him.
 
And the Cote fight, and the Leites fight. Bisping is 37, only three years younger than Anderson, and Bisping has been in plenty of tough fights. The age excuse doesn't work here.

Fighters age differently and Bisping never relied on speed or reflexes or any athletic trait for that matter. Mike tyson was past his best (at least technically) at 30. And there is a big difference between 37 and 40 after 35 each year is a huge difference. Anderson only 3 years ago was destroying Okami.

Some fighters are effective in their 40 while Cain isn't even 35 but seems to be done physically.

40 year old Hunt would probably wreck a 40 year old Cain but not sure any evrsion of Hunt beats a 30 year old Cain.
 
I don't believe Silva has declined much if at all and I don't think his chin has gone. He was dropped by Chael in their first fight. I think Silva has kinda been figured out, for so long people were fighting his fight and giving him way too much respect. Chael, Weidman, Diaz and now Bisping have shown that pushing forward and actually fighting the guy can get the job done. Even in the Leites fight he dropped one or two rounds and could have feasibly lost if Leites hadn't bottled it. Still a tremendous fighter but he's lost the aura of invincibility.
You don't think a 41 year old fighter with 40+ fights has declined? Hahaha... Really?

I'm sure Fedor was past his prime when he lost though, amirite?
 
1)Anderson was hurt by Chael's punches. Chael commented on Bisping hitting him really hard, I believe even saying that if Bisping had known how badly he had hurt him, he could have finished him.

2)His reflexes have probably declined a bit. Bisping is 37 though, so it's not like Anderson was fighting a youngin'.

3)Anderson's boxing was and is overrated. Nick Diaz commented on this, and if you look back over his fights, he was never great at taking people out with his hands unless they played his game. He's not good at coming forward with punches and landing combinations. Never was. Chael caught on to it and Weidman capitalized on it. Anderson's game was figured out years ago.

4)There's no matter of fact way to prove this, but I highly doubt his clinch skills have declined. It's more that his opponents studied the clinch game, because they didn't want to be Franklin'd. Franklin had no idea what he was in for and hadn't trained properly to deal with the clinch. Nick Diaz had a perfect defense against the Thai clinch, Weidman was clearly ready for it, and Bisping looked like he'd done his homework as well. He didn't suddenly start suddenly sucking at the clinch, his opponents adapted.

Anderson fought about the way he always did. I'm sure he was a little faster when he was younger but Bisping isn't much younger and has also been in hard fought battles, so the age excuse doesn't really work. Bisping studied him well and Bisping's constant work rate was clearly difficult for Anderson to deal with. Anderson put on so-so performances multiple times, and at this point it seems clear to me that he does so when he either can't hurt an opponent or they won't play his game. He doesn't put punches together well going forward and he never has. His clowning isn't simply playing with his opponent, it is a tactic used for a purpose, the same as any other.

Anderson has weaknesses in his game and always has, people have caught on and his mystique is gone. Anderson was pulling every trick out of the bag to try and throw Bisping off.

He's still a great fighter, but people know how to fight him now.

1) The shot Bisping landed on Anderson hit flush. I think almost everyone would have been dropped by that. Anderson recovering quickly shows his ability to recover is still very good.

2) Unlike Bisping, Silva relies heavily on his reflex as he mainly counters. Bisping has great fundamental boxing so even if his reflex declined at the same rate as Anderson, it doesn't affect his game as much.

3) Agreed. Silva's boxing is overrated. He's never really thrown combos, he mainly throws 1s and 2s as counters. His hooks are wide and loopy and they were capitalized on by Chael many times.

4) Agreed, it seems more like people know how to deal with the clinch now.

5) Something OP overlooked is Anderson's kicking game. After the leg break, he's been very tentative throwing leg kicks. These used to be chopping kicks that came after a combo or during short opnenings. He threw a few head kicks but I think he only threw 2 or 3 leg kicks on Bisping the whole fight, with one of them making contact with Bisping's knee. Anderson's kicks were a huge part of his game and he's unable to use them liberally now.
 
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This is a terrible post.

Anderson was knocked off balance by a punch from Sonnen and immediately recovered and wasn't phased by any of Sonnen's strikes. Even in the rematch

He got hit and barely maintained his balance, and had an "oh shit" look on his face immediately after. I'd say that counts as being phased.

What? That's an incredibly idiotic statement. Anderson is about to be 41 and has more mileage than Bisping.

Are you seriously suggesting that Anderson has been in more wars and taken more damage than Bisping?

Also, not every fighter ages or deteriorates the same.

Exactly. So lets not just make the age excuse for Anderson when Bisping is close to his age and we have no real way of knowing how much each has declined.

And no, his boxing wasn't overrated. His jab and straight/cross have always been money untIl lately, coincidentally when he was past his prime. Diaz never said his boxing was bad, he said his shot selection against Weidman was bad, which it was. He's had much success coming forward and countering with his boxing. It's obvious you've never actually followed Silva's career.

I don't remember the Diaz quote, but he said something along the lines of Anderson not being good at coming forward with his boxing, and said that he would get rid of his boxing coach if he was him. I've seen plenty of Anderson's fights, and no, he's not great at coming forward and putting combinations together with his hands. His limitations were painfully apparent in the first Weidman fight, and I'm sure that's part of why Anderson is always trying to lull people into his game.

So you are completely ignoring the fact that Anderson is nearly 41 years old with more than 40 fights to his name? He just got 'figured out'

Bisping is 38 years old genius. He literally just turned 38, there is less than a three year age gap between them and Bisping has taken more damage in his career. That is verifiable through statistics and by watching their fights. If you think fighters don't watch tape and adapt to their opponents over time, you are beyond fucking delusional.

Stop fucking posting, kid. You don't know shit about MMA.

I'm 30 years old and my first account was over five years older than the one you're posting on. Calling someone you don't know "kid" doesn't make your argument stronger, it just makes you look salty and desperate. You're probably annoyed because you didn't even know that they were so close in age, which completely destroys some of your excuses for Anderson.
 
1) The shot Bisping landed on Anderson hit flush. I think almost everyone would have been dropped by that. Anderson recovering quickly shows his ability to recover is still very good.

2) Unlike Bisping, Silva relies heavily on his reflex as he mainly counters. Bisping has great fundamental boxing so even if his reflex declined at the same rate as Anderson, it doesn't affect his game as much.

3) Agreed. Silva's boxing is overrated. He's never really thrown combos, he mainly throws 1s and 2s as a counters. His hooks are wide and loopy and they were capitalized on by Chael many times.

4) Agreed, it seems more like people know how to deal with the clinch now.

5) Something OP overlooked is Anderson's kicking game. After the leg break, he's been very tentative throwing leg kicks. These used to be chopping kicks that came after a combo or during short opnenings. He threw a few head kicks but I think he only threw 2 or 3 leg kicks on Bisping the whole fight, with one of them making contact with Bisping's knee. Anderson's kicks were a huge part of his game and he's unable to use them liberally now.


That break leg (no pun intended) soccer kick he used to throw with his left leg is all but gone.. It was part of his muay thai shin shattering bamboo skills.
 
He got hit and barely maintained his balance, and had an "oh shit" look on his face immediately after. I'd say that counts as being phased.



Are you seriously suggesting that Anderson has been in more wars and taken more damage than Bisping?



Exactly. So lets not just make the age excuse for Anderson when Bisping is close to his age and we have no real way of knowing how much each has declined.



I don't remember the Diaz quote, but he said something along the lines of Anderson not being good at coming forward with his boxing, and said that he would get rid of his boxing coach if he was him. I've seen plenty of Anderson's fights, and no, he's not great at coming forward and putting combinations together with his hands. His limitations were painfully apparent in the first Weidman fight, and I'm sure that's part of why Anderson is always trying to lull people into his game.



Bisping is 38 years old genius. He literally just turned 38, there is less than a three year age gap between them and Bisping has taken more damage in his career. That is verifiable through statistics and by watching their fights. If you think fighters don't watch tape and adapt to their opponents over time, you are beyond fucking delusional.



I'm 30 years old and my first account was over five years older than the one you're posting on.
An 'oh shit' face? Really? That's your evidence? Poor.

Considering he's been fighting longer, he's older, and he's known to have sparred with heavyweights...

41=\=37. Bisping is still at an older age but has had much more success than Silva and has less mileage in terms of his career.

You just admitted that you don't remember the Diaz quote so why keep bringing it up? He said his shot selection was bad, like I said in my previous post. Anderson was very good at leading although his counter ability was greater, but he got old. Fighters deteriorate.

No shit they adapt, but their careers are on different paths. Like I said, not every fighter is the same. Although Bisping is old, he still has more in the tank than Anderson and that was known even before the fight.

That's fine. You still don't know much.
 
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