International American Imperialism

Fossor said:
Cause this lobby is exactly your problem. The US pursues its own interests and benefits from this no less, and perhaps even more, than Israel. Weapon and technology contracts, competition elimination, ME operations support.
Here is a list of foreign aid by country (first few rows):

Jordan $1,686,862,605
Egypt $1,503,609,426
Ethiopia $1,457,374,911
Somalia $1,181,033,990
Nigeria $1,019,947,490
Congo (Kinshasa) $990,456,757
Afghanistan $886,536,741

Fooking Afghanistan gets almost a billion a year. Are you saying that there is a strong Taliban lobby in America?
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Israel takes 2-3 times of those countries.

LOL are you seriously asking me why Afghanistan received foreign aid from America? Is that in military aid?
 
fedorthegoat777 said:
I didnt take it seriously at first. He trolled Trudeau into quitting. Nothing more.

But he hasnt stopped and sent Jr. to Greenland. Also he bought properties all over the world pre Presidencey. Maybe he will start trying to acquire countries now.

Will see what happens.
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FTFY
 
deviake said:
Obama funded Israel. He also got the Iran Deal done which was working and helping to stabilize relations and prevent them from making nukes, the opposite of war. Trump tore it up. If you're referring to the money returned to Iran, it was their money.

www.factcheck.org

Obama Didn't Give Iran '150 Billion in Cash' - FactCheck.org

A viral meme distorts the facts about the Iran nuclear agreement. The deal, approved by six countries and the European Union, gave Iran access to its own frozen assets.
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First of all, former President Barack Obama didn’t give “150 billion in cash” to Iran.

The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.

Secondly, $150 billion is a high-end estimate of the total that was freed up after some sanctions were lifted. U.S. Treasury Department estimates put the number at about $50 billion in “usable liquid assets,” according to 2015 testimony from Adam Szubin, acting under secretary of treasury for terrorism and financial intelligence.

The part that the meme gets right, though, is that the deal didn’t get congressional approval. The Obama administration had maintained that the agreement wasn’t a treaty, which would have required approval by the Senate. Republicans did try to block the deal, but they weren’t able to get enough support to pass the legislation in the Senate.

However, the U.S. is now no longer part of the deal. Trump pulled out in May 2018.


Trump is anti-war my ass cheeks.
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Agree with most. I do understand the intentions of the Iran deal. However, I think the end result was just the US gave Iran a bunch of money, they did not follow with the regulations, and are now a nuclear power. I think it was a failed program. Good article though.


First term, Trump was anti war. Second term hasn't started. But it does look like he is doing a reversal on this.
 
NoSmilez said:
Israel takes 2-3 times of those countries.

LOL are you seriously asking me why Afghanistan received foreign aid from America? Is that in military aid?
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LMAO are you seriously questioning why is Israel a better ally than Somalia or Egypt? 85% of Egypt's aid is military
 
fedorthegoat777 said:
Agree with most. I do understand the intentions of the Iran deal. However, I think the end result was just the US gave Iran a bunch of money, they did not follow with the regulations, and are now a nuclear power. I think it was a failed program. Good article though.


First term, Trump was anti war. Second term hasn't started. But it does look like he is doing a reversal on this.
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From my understanding they were following the nuclear deal and the US didn't give them money, so the opposite of what you just said.

Trump increased drone strikes over 400% then eliminated the apparatus for reporting them and destabilized relations with Iran, and that's just what I remember off the top of my head. Meow he's threatening war with multiple countries. The only thing I remember him doing that I was okay with was talking to the North Korean president. I'm not high on North Korea but at least getting communication going was probably good.

Edit: He also didn't pull us out of Afghanistan.
 
I'd rather become a part of Canada than the other way around, minus that their housing crisis is even worst than ours from my understanding. At least we'd have a functioning healthcare system
 
deviake said:
From my understanding they were following the nuclear deal and the US didn't give them money, so the opposite of what you just said.

Trump increased drone strikes over 400% then eliminated the apparatus for reporting them and destabilized relations with Iran, and that's just what I remember off the top of my head. Meow he's threatening war with multiple countries. The only thing I remember him doing that I was okay with was talking to the North Korean president. I'm not high on North Korea but at least getting communication going was probably good.

Edit: He also didn't pull us out of Afghanistan.
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Yeah the nuclear deal was about giving them money. They got money to follow these nuclear terms. They took the money and didn't comply and nothing happened. Here are some articles about it, including CNN:



foreignaffairs.house.gov

5 Times the Obama Admin Insisted Cash Was the Only Way to Pay Iran - Committee on Foreign Affairs

As details of the administration’s $1.7 billion cash payment to Iran began to leak last month, the administration argued – from President Obama on down – that there was simply no other way to pay Iran. “We couldn't send them a check and we could not wire the money,” the president said on August 4.
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Fossor said:
LMAO are you seriously questioning why is Israel a better ally than Somalia or Egypt? 85% of Egypt's aid is military
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We have been giving Egypt aid after they signed a peace treaty with Israel... I don't know why you want to keep running around in this circle.
 
fedorthegoat777 said:
Yeah the nuclear deal was about giving them money. They got money to follow these nuclear terms. They took the money and didn't comply and nothing happened. Here are some articles about it, including CNN:



foreignaffairs.house.gov

5 Times the Obama Admin Insisted Cash Was the Only Way to Pay Iran - Committee on Foreign Affairs

As details of the administration’s $1.7 billion cash payment to Iran began to leak last month, the administration argued – from President Obama on down – that there was simply no other way to pay Iran. “We couldn't send them a check and we could not wire the money,” the president said on August 4.
foreignaffairs.house.gov foreignaffairs.house.gov
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I see, as part of the deal but that's not the full story.

apnews.com

AP FACT CHECK: Trump's mistold tale of Obama and Iran

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Monday assailed the Obama administration for being hoodwinked by Iran, making his case with a frequently told and false story about the U.S. giving billions of dollars to Tehran.
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IRAN​

TRUMP on Iran: “We gave them $150 billion and $1.8 billion and we got nothing. ... Look at what they did to John Kerry and to President Obama. Look what happened, where they’re bringing planeloads of cash, planeloads, big planes, 757s, Boeing 757s coming in loaded up with cash. What kind of a deal is that?” — news conference with Macron.

THE FACTS: It’s the kind of deal that did not actually take place.

When Iran signed the multinational deal to restrain its nuclear development in return for being freed from sanctions, it regained access to its own assets, which had been frozen abroad. There was no $150 billion gift from the U.S. treasury or other countries. Iran was allowed to get its money back.

The $1.8 billion refers to a separate matter, also misstated by the president going back to before the 2016 election.



A payout of roughly that amount did come from the U.S. treasury. It was to pay an old IOU.

In the 1970s, Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured. After the nuclear deal, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the matter, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest.

The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later.

In Trump’s telling, one cargo plane with $400 million that was owed to Iran has become “big planes, 757s, Boeing 757s,” loaded with a $1.8 billion giveaway.



I also don't know where you're getting the idea that they didn't comply. I'm still double checking but as far as I'm aware any noncompliance was after Trump tore up the deal.
 
I'll add, by tearing up the deal with Iran which again, they were following as far as I can tell before the deal was torn up, it's incentivizing them to enrich Uranian as having nukes is basically the only deterrence against US aggression. The US has been hawkish toward Iran for a long time, never mind the CIA and MI6 overthrowing their democratically elected government in the 50s.
 
Zazen said:
My entire timeline on X is taken up by MAGA celebrating a completely red North America that comprises of Mexico, Canada, and Greenland. They’re heavily cheering this. WTF happened to being pro peace? I’m sorry but this really is a fucking cult. Is there even any argument against it anymore? They stand for nothing other than what orange man says
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Not really. Social media feeds you a distorted view of reality, in this case outrage porn, to keep you engaged in the platform. Whether these views are common or not is another matter entirely, and to the extent that you believe they are we're talking about the effect of the availability heuristic. If you engage actual rational thinking you'll realize you need evidence, e.g. professionally conducted polls on a randomized population, to figure that out with any degree of accuracy.
 
You can't pull out of a deal and sanction them and expect them to comply.

www.cfr.org

What Is the Iran Nuclear Deal?

Diplomacy to revive this arms control agreement has faced multiple stumbling blocks, including Iran’s nuclear advances and its links to conflicts in the Gaza Strip and Ukraine.
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All post Trump tearing up the deal:

Did Iran comply initially?​

The agreement got off to a fairly smooth start. The IAEA certified in early 2016 that Iran had met its preliminary pledges; and the United States, EU, and United Nations responded by repealing or suspending their sanctions. Most significantly, U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration dropped secondary sanctions on the oil sector, which allowed Iran to ramp up its oil exports to nearly the level it reached prior to sanctions. The United States and many European nations also unfroze about $100 billion worth of frozen Iranian assets.

However, the deal has been near collapse since President Trump withdrew the United States from it in 2018 and reinstated devastating banking and oil sanctions. Trump said the agreement failed to address Iran’s ballistic missile program and its proxy warfare in the region, and he claimed that the sunset provisions would enable Iran to pursue nuclear weapons in the future.
Iran accused the United States of reneging on its commitments, and faulted Europe for submitting to U.S. unilateralism. In a bid to keep the agreement alive, France, Germany, and the United Kingdom launched a barter system known as INSTEX to facilitate transactions with Iran outside of the U.S. banking system. INSTEX was used only once before France and Germany announced its dissolution in 2023, citing Iranian obstruction.

Following the U.S. withdrawal, several countries—U.S. allies among them—continued to import Iranian oil under waivers granted by the Trump administration, and Iran continued to abide by its commitments. But a year later, the United States ended the waivers with the aim of halting Iran’s oil exports completely.

What is Iran’s current nuclear activity?​

In response to the other parties’ actions, which Tehran claimed amounted to breaches of the deal, Iran started exceeding agreed-upon limits to its stockpile of low-enriched uranium in 2019, and began enriching uranium to higher concentrations (though still far short of the purity required for weapons). It also began developing new centrifuges to accelerate uranium enrichment; resuming heavy water production at its Arak facility; and enriching uranium [PDF] at Fordow, which rendered the isotopes produced there unusable for medical purposes.
In 2020, Iran took more steps away from its nuclear pledges, following a series of attacks on its interests. In January, after the United States’ targeted killing of top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani, Iran announced that it would no longer limit its uranium enrichment. In October, it began constructing a centrifuge production center at Natanz to replace one that was destroyed months earlier in an attack it blamed on Israel. And in November, in response to the assassination of a prominent nuclear scientist, which it also attributed to Israel, Iran’s parliament passed a law that led to a substantial boost in uranium enrichment at Fordow.

Tehran has increasingly limited the IAEA’s ability to inspect its facilities since Washington withdrew from the nuclear deal, though it pledged in March 2023 to boost cooperation with the agency. The commitment came months after IAEA inspectors detected uranium particles enriched to 83.7 percent at Fordow, prompting international concern.

How has the deal affected Iran’s economy?​

Prior to the JCPOA, Iran’s economy suffered years of recession, currency depreciation, and inflation, largely because of sanctions on its energy sector. With the sanctions lifted, inflation slowed, exchange rates stabilized, and exports—especially of oil, agricultural goods, and luxury items—skyrocketed as Iran regained trading partners, particularly in the EU. After the JCPOA took effect, Iran began exporting more than 2.1 million barrels per day (approaching pre-2012 levels, when the oil sanctions were originally put in place). However, these improvements did not translate to a significant increase in the average Iranian household’s budget.

The end of sanctions waivers on oil exports and the restoration of U.S. sanctions in 2018 cut deeply into a vital source of national revenue: that year, oil and petroleum products accounted for 80 percent [PDF] of Iran’s exports. By 2020, exports of Iranian crude had fallen as low as one hundred thousand barrels per day. Since then, sales to China have helped boost crude exports, which averaged 1.1–1.2 million barrels per day by the end of 2022. Additionally, in October of that year, the United States imposed sanctions on eighteen major Iranian banks, causing the Iranian rial to fall further against the U.S. dollar.

Meanwhile, the wide range of U.S. sanctions unrelated to the nuclear program have added to the damage. Multinational firms fear being punished by the United States for transacting with sanctioned Iranian entities associated with, for example, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), which holds sway over many industries. With sanctions deterring international trade, black markets have boomed, enriching the IRGC at the expense of the regular economy.

What is the outlook for the agreement?​

JCPOA signatories have struggled to revive the essentially defunct deal. The countries began talks to bring Washington and Tehran back into the agreement in April 2021, but negotiations have since been off and on, complicated by developments such as Iran’s election of conservative cleric Ebrahim Raisi as president, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and the 2023 Israel-Hamas war. Iran’s apparent involvement in the two conflicts even earned it additional sanctions. Just as certain UN-mandated provisions of the JCPOA were set to expire in October 2023, the Biden administration imposed new sanctions on Iran’s ballistic missile and drone programs, and the EU refused to terminate the sanctions on its end. Moreover, Washington and Tehran still disagree on several issues related to rejoining the agreement, including the IRGC’s designation as a terrorist organization, and U.S. officials say further nuclear advances by Iran could make returning to the original deal impossible.
 
fedorthegoat777 said:
American Imperialism seems to have stopped with the acquisition of Puerto Rico, Guam, Hawaii, the Panama Canal, and the Philippines. So America has not acquired any new territory for over 100 years.

But now we have new talks of acquiring new land. At first it appeared Trump.was just trolling the leader of Canada by calling him "Governor Trudeau" and referring to Canada as the 51st state. Trump trolled the unpopular Trudeau to resignation. But the talk of taking over Canada continued after Trudeau quit.

There is significant talk of taking over Canada, Greenland where Trump Jr. is currently visiting, parts of Mexico as some originally wanted different boundary lines, and getting the Panama Canal back, which previously was owned by the US. Finally there is talk of changing the name of The Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, which could put further pressure on the independent island countries there.

Should America acquire more land? Or should Imperialism be a relic of the American past?







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Disagree, imperialism never stopped. Vietnam, Iraq, Iran and many other regimes we have toppled. Certainly it still exists but in different forms.
 
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Brigfa2 said:
People who hate the US for starting wars are either hypocrite muslims or people who were always weak af in all of the history
For example muslims still celebrate Ottomans, Umayyad Caliphate and every other muslim invaders but they are against war when it comes to others lmao
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Yeah, we gotta spread McDonald's and Only Fans to all the world!
 
Renard said:
Not really. Social media feeds you a distorted view of reality, in this case outrage porn, to keep you engaged in the platform. Whether these views are common or not is another matter entirely, and to the extent that you believe they are we're talking about the effect of the availability heuristic. If you engage actual rational thinking you'll realize you need evidence, e.g. professionally conducted polls on a randomized population, to figure that out with any degree of accuracy.
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Either way they’re big maga accounts with many followers. The same guys flipping out about sending aid to ukraine
 
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