American cops notch up another killing

[5H3RD0G]

Counterintelligence, the worst kind. It's a fireworks display and all of a sudden Rambo appears with nukes. :icon_lol: Take it easy, you know what they say about those that don't know when and how to use their gun properly.

 

[Palooka]

How hard is it to not run from police if they tell you to get on the ground then get on the fuckin ground.

Some cops are corrupt and only have it in for you in a bad way. If a neighborhood bully just wants to check your pockets and not kick your ass today, should you just stop and let him?

 

[BD17032]

Some cops are corrupt and only have it in for you in a bad way. If a neighborhood bully just wants to check your pockets and not kick your ass today, should you just stop and let him?

A bully isn't the authority and cant fuck my life if I run or defend myself.

 

[StrikerKing]

How hard is it to not run from police if they tell you to get on the ground then get on the fuckin ground.

Yep, police should be able to give you a command at any time and if you do not comply you deserve to be killed.

 

[BD17032]

Yep, police should be able to give you a command at any time and if you do not comply you deserve to be killed.

For the love of god ive answered this read the posts. Im not saying he deserved to die but did he really think running would help anything cops have trigger fingers today so just stop what your doing and listen. Imo if you run fron the cops they should be allowed to pop one your leg.

 

[Palooka]

So if an oppressor is not given a role of alleged authority you wont submit, but when they ARE given that role you will submit.

I'm not flaming you just trying to get a better understanding here of where the line is drawn.

I'm also not saying this guy was being oppressed, he may of just been a sack of shit for all I know.

 

[Phelly2]

Deleted this message because I believe I misunderstood the poster I replied to.

 

[Phelly2]

So if an oppressor is not given a role of alleged authority you wont submit, but when they ARE given that role you will submit.

Depends on the degree of oppression. If these officers are HITMEN on a mission to murder me or beat me, you bet your ass I'm running.

But if these officers are wrongly arresting me, it's just not worth it, because even if I get away, then I'm DEFINITELY a criminal just for what I had to do to escape.

It makes far more sense to run the gauntlet of the court system and if the oppression is blatant(i.e., if the officers acted outside the scope of their authority) maybe you come out with a pretty paycheck at the end, instead of dead on the beach.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no defender of police states, I'm actually quite libertarian, but even I don't run from the cops. It just isn't worth it.

 

[Phelly2]

I don't expect anything to come from this, just like all the other state sponsored killings in America. It is amazing how frequently this occurs. I'd be very interested to see statistics of police killings amongst countries in relation to USA.

Officers' actions are judged based on the facts they had at the time, not based on the facts they learned afterword.

Here are the facts I got from the article, which the shooting officers would have known at the time.

1) Suspect has physical altercation with Target security
2) Sheriff deputies attempt to apprehend, but the suspect keeps them at bay with a pair of scissors he's wielding as a weapon.
3) Subject jumps into a car and leads police on a 15 minute car chase.
4) Man abandons car, runs for the beach with something in his hand.
5) Gunfire erupts just before the man begins sprinting towards the shooting officers.

Now, given that this man has already proven to be assaultive (and threatened deputies with scissors) we already know this guy is willing to kill officers to get away.

After hearing the gunshots, in my opinion, it seems reasonable that the officers were already in deadly force mode when the suspect sprinted toward them.

I, for one, do not expect police to interrupt a gun fight with jiu-jitsu. But that's just me.

 

[COTUR1@43]

Did anyone else read these parts of the story?:

The gunfire erupted Sunday when Jason Conoscenti, 36, tried to ditch a car on Long Beach after a 15-minute chase from a store in Compton, where the suspect pulled a pair of scissors on officers, authorities said.

Authorities say Conoscenti was involved in a physical altercation with security officers at a Target store on South Alameda St. when they first tried to apprehend the man.

But the suspect pulled out a pair of scissors and threatened the sheriff's deputies before he ran to a car and drove away.


Deputies with the Los Angeles County Sheriff

 

[Poatan Power]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ifornia-beach-runs-officers-article-1.1775431







and here is their excuse...



the old "he was reaching for a weapon!"

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I don't expect anything to come from this, just like all the other state sponsored killings in America. It is amazing how frequently this occurs. I'd be very interested to see statistics of police killings amongst countries in relation to USA.

Eh. Sounds like an accident, and it wouldn't have happened had the guy not ran from cops. Cheaper than putting him in our archaic, expensive prison system.

 

[Malas]

For the love of god ive answered this read the posts. Im not saying he deserved to die but did he really think running would help anything cops have trigger fingers today so just stop what your doing and listen. Imo if you run fron the cops they should be allowed to pop one your leg.

Do you really think that all gunshot wounds of the leg are created equal? It seems like there's some common misconception that they are. Shooting at somebody's leg from a distance is very dangerous if the intent isn't to kill.

And it's pathetically meek to suggest that we're supposed to just bow down and accept that "cops have trigger fingers today."

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I just gogled police killings in the US. it is worse than I thought. numbers vary, but they are all upwards of 400 per year. that is 1 citizen killed by police every day!
this article claims that police killed more than 5000 people since 9/11.

Dang, that's more than assault weapons.

 

[blakethemus]

Did anyone else read these parts of the story?:

The gunfire erupted Sunday when Jason Conoscenti, 36, tried to ditch a car on Long Beach after a 15-minute chase from a store in Compton, where the suspect pulled a pair of scissors on officers, authorities said.

Authorities say Conoscenti was involved in a physical altercation with security officers at a Target store on South Alameda St. when they first tried to apprehend the man.

But the suspect pulled out a pair of scissors and threatened the sheriff's deputies before he ran to a car and drove away.


Deputies with the Los Angeles County Sheriff

 

[KrazyKanadian]

This was a few months ago too, I think

http://filmingcops.com/cop-who-killed-kelly-thomas-seen-in-restaurant-americans-force-him-to-leave/

 

[Throttlehead]

Murder = unlawful killing with mens rea (the intention to kill)

Are you saying this was lawful? And there can be no argument about the intent. Maybe you are the one who needs to learn a thing a two....

Please find one post by Carter where a shooting death wasn't lawful. He thrives on stories where people get shot.

 

[knuckleroll**]

Im not saying it was justified but the whole situation could have been avoided if the perp just gave up and did what they told him to do police are actually nocer if you dont lie to them and listen to them. Even if yoir not a perp and being held up for something you didnt do dont argue or run from someone who most likely took the job to push people around just give up and sort the problem out.

What if it was the rare chance he was mentally ill, autistic, heavily medicated, etc.?

 

[MASShole]

Oh Oeshon. How you love to ignore the back story.

 

[Torami]

Oh Oeshon. How you love to ignore the back story.

We'll at least the cops don't ignore the back. They will fire away regardless.

 

[Arrr Billy]

So I recently got into a somewhat heated discussion on reddit about how likely it was to be shot by a cop if you were unarmed. Anyhow long story short I felt the odds were far greater then he did, and it prompted me to try to dig up some facts to support my stance.

Now first off I was quite surprised how incredibly hard this type of info is to come by (unarmed people shot by police). There is a ton of info on how many police officers are shot etc so forth but the kind of info I was after is just not readily available, and basically amounted to me culling the info from different articles from many different sources. Anyhow what I did find I have to admit surprised me.

http://www.chron.com/news/article/One-in-three-police-shootings-involve-unarmed-1651275.php this article says officers have shot 65 unarmed people since 1999 killing 17....this is just in one county!!?? This a direct quote from the article....
Law enforcement officers in Harris County have shot 65 unarmed people since 1999, killing 17. These incidents represent more than a third of all local police shootings, but experts call them the most preventable.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/loc...tproof-Part-1-Unarmed-and-Dangerous-24419.php This is a really interesting link especially this part.....More than a quarter of civilians shot by HPD(Houston police department) in 5 years had no weapon, and the last officer charged in a shooting was in 2004.
Houston police fired their guns at civilians more than 100 times in the last five years, resulting in numerous injuries and deaths, but never in charges against the officers. From 2008 to 2012, officers shot 121 people, 52 of them fatally.
So lets see one quarter of 121 is about 30 people. So 30 unarmed people in 5 years in one city alone, have been shot by police. I'm starting to feel like this is happening way, way way more then I thought to begin with.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/11/seventy-two-cops-were-shot-and-killed-in the relevant part of the article......Police officers in Los Angeles County shot and killed 54 people in 2011, an increase of 70 percent over 2010. According to the Los Angeles Times, at least 12 of the 54