AMD Introduction Of Monster GPU Vega (Specs Leaked! May 5th)

[My Spot]

This. I am pretty far invested in Nvidia at this point with a 980ti and a gsync monitor, but a has always been pulling for red secretly. They just haven't done anything right in the last few generations...

I'll never forget the days of the 5770 though, when a $170 card was competition for $400 cards. It was almost silly not to buy the 5770. That is the AMD we need so Nvidia isn't charging 700 bucks for a 1080 Ti

I miss the good ole days when there were 3 viable alternatives (Voodoo 2, TNT, Rage Fury). Then you also had PowerVR (they made the DC chip) Matrox, and S3.

 

[Bohdan]

Expectations for Vega have been lowered significantly. Why announce a future product roadmap that includes Navi just weeks before the release of Vega. You can't help but assume this is AMD starting with Vega damage control.

http://wccftech.com/amd-taking-the-covers-off-vega-navi-may-16th/

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Madmick]

Expectations for Vega have been lowered significantly. Why announce a future product roadmap that includes Navi just weeks before the release of Vega. You can't help but assume this is AMD starting with Vega damage control.
http://wccftech.com/amd-taking-the-covers-off-vega-navi-may-16th/

I hope I'm wrong.

Already saw some leaked benchmark from wccftech a few days ago. It had the Vega performing roughly equal to the GTX 1070.

Just one little detail. The memory clock on that benchmark was 700MHz.

Of all the leaked benchmarks in the last month this one has the results that line up with the specs the most intelligibly:
Latest RX Vega compute benchmarks put it almost 35% faster than GTX 1080

 

[Slobodan]

Already saw some leaked benchmark from wccftech a few days ago. It had the Vega performing roughly equal to the GTX 1070.

Just one little detail. The memory clock on that benchmark was 700MHz.

Of all the leaked benchmarks in the last month this one has the results that line up with the specs the most intelligibly:
Latest RX Vega compute benchmarks put it almost 35% faster than GTX 1080

That's good, yes?

 

[Madmick]

That's good, yes?

I'd say so, yeah. I'm pretty excited about the Vega pipeline, yes, but since it won't beat the 1080 Ti, it's going to be all about the price. If it beats the GTX 1080 by 35% and it costs exactly the same, then it will be a huge plus for gamers.

 

[GhostZ06]

I'd say so, yeah. I'm pretty excited about the Vega pipeline, yes, but since it won't beat the 1080 Ti, it's going to be all about the price. If it beats the GTX 1080 by 35% and it costs exactly the same, then it will be a huge plus for gamers.

is that the top dog?

 

[SeefourDC]

I'd say so, yeah. I'm pretty excited about the Vega pipeline, yes, but since it won't beat the 1080 Ti, it's going to be all about the price. If it beats the GTX 1080 by 35% and it costs exactly the same, then it will be a huge plus for gamers.

Realistically with the driver updates even if the raw power is that much more than base 1080 really playing current games it will be even don't you think?

 

[Madmick]

is that the top dog?

No, the GTX Titan XP Pascal (Linus is calling it the Titan XPP, and I'm adopting that from now on) is the top dog, but it's not an actual market buying point. It's there for bragging rights.

The GTX 1080 Ti is NVIDIA's top unit designed for actual market viability.

Realistically with the driver updates even if the raw power is that much more than base 1080 really playing current games it will be even don't you think?

No. Drivers won't spare the GTX 1080. It's gonna get ran over by the Vega.

Look at Post #35. The only pipeline spec keeping the GTX 1060 6GB in the race against the RX 580 8GB right now is that it has 50% more Rasters (Render Output Units = ROPs). The GTX 1080 is superior to the Vega in nothing.

The only major question mark remaining is what the final frequency is going to be on the memory clock with the Vega.

 

[GhostZ06]

No, the GTX Titan XP Pascal (Linus is calling it the Titan XPP, and I'm adopting that from now on) is the top dog, but it's not an actual market buying point. It's there for bragging rights.

The GTX 1080 Ti is NVIDIA's top unit designed for actual market viability.

No. Drivers won't spare the GTX 1080. It's gonna get ran over by the Vega.

Look at Post #35. The only pipeline spec keeping the GTX 1060 6GB in the race against the RX 580 8GB right now is that it has 50% more Rasters (Render Output Units = ROPs). The GTX 1080 is superior to the Vega in nothing.

The only major question mark remaining is what the final frequency is going to be on the memory clock with the Vega.

well i mean the Vega that got those numbers.

 

[Madmick]

well i mean the Vega that got those numbers.

Oh, Jesus, yeah, that makes more sense. I was confounded why you would ask that.

This will be "top dog" at the outset of their release. Vega is technically an entirely different architecture than Polaris, so normally one might expect this to be the 7970 release, if we take a past generation as an example, with lesser cards released in the future on the same architecture. In that marketing sheet in Post #36 it would be the "Rage X Fury" which is the top single GPU (the "Rage X2 Fury" is the 7990 analogue: a dual GPU).

That's the difference between them and NVIDIA. NVIDIA releases the GTX 1080, then works on refining the fabrication process, not the architecture, which results in the release of the "Ti" and "Titan" cards in the next 18 months which are the actual top dogs of that architectural generation. AMD came a bit closer to that when they released the R9 280X a few months ahead of the R9 290X, but then the 390X came out only a single month after the 380X.

Thus, with AMD, when they drop a new architecture, they tend to drop the top single GPU card for that architecture right away.

But as @Bohdan pointed out AMD is already planning on the unveil event for the successor to Vega architecture: "Navi". That puts a big question mark on Vega. Could it go the way of the Radeon 8xxx series that was a 7xxx rebadge, a blip on the radar, and an afterthought to the market? Even Intel had the Broadwell generation which got a lot of fanfare, then just quietly sort of never happened for desktops. We could be looking at something like that, and the Vega is just a half-hearted release (a stepping stone) to hold over sales for 3-6 months before they come in with their real line to compete against NVIDIA for the next few years.

Originally "Navi" was slated for a 2019 release, but that doesn't seem realistic anymore. These manufacturers don't typically hold an actual debut event for a new architecture blueprint a full 2 years ahead of its market release.