Amasov has sights set on UFC after Bellator departure

[Hellowhosthat]

Jason Jackson fight set him back a mile. People were calling him the best WW in the world LOL. WW Khabib. 27-0

Jason wasn't supposed to win but if he did everyone would have said a decision. Jason is a decision machine he couldn't even finish ancient Paul Daley or Benson yet he put Amosov out cold. Horrific look.

I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one because he'd been coming off a layoff and seemed to be somewhat involved in some actual fighting in Ukraine.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Storley is a great wrestler, but incredibly limited fighter.

Against better opposition he wins decisions where he doesn’t do much but control opponents after takedowns without much submission grappling or GnP used.

He’s not a bad fighter by any means, but with his skill set a fighter with Amosov’s pedigree, record, and supposed level should be running through him.

They were making Amosov out to be some type of Khabib level fighter at 27-0 with God-Tier grappling. Storley showed a pretty straight-forward high-level wrestler with limited striking could give him fits.

To me it showed both guys were good but not elite, though both were super-hyped by Bellator to be their equivalent to UFC champions.

Also stylistically they don’t put on great fights consistently, they’ll do whatever it takes to win, which is commendable but not very entertaining at times.

I’d like to see how they’d do in the UFC as a litmus test, but their peak would probably be top 10-15 with perfect match making and performances.

The Storley rematch wasn't close he basically beat him up the whole fight. Logan did have his moments in their first fight, I do have Logan ranked #22 in the world though so it's not like he's some can.

He didn't destroy him like Musaev did but Musaev is top 3 imo.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Not fussed on this guy at all, he's never really done it for me. Recognise he's legit though.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

The Storley rematch wasn't close he basically beat him up the whole fight. Logan did have his moments in their first fight, I do have Logan ranked #22 in the world though so it's not like he's some can.

He didn't destroy him like Musaev did but Musaev is top 3 imo.

The Storley rematch he won way more clearly, but that first one was an absolute nail-biter with the signature moment of Amasov getting his back taken late in round 3 and fighting out of a locked in RNC for like 30 seconds from what I recall.

Storley recently got lit-up by Shamil Musaev, who doesn't even have a Wiki (great fighter with a lot of potential though) then won a decision over Luca Poclit, another guy without a Wiki that is a submission fighter (another decision win against a guy he should be able to dominantly finish if he's truly elite).

I'd say just like Amasov getting slept by Jason Jackson (another underrated but not elite fighter) it just shows they aren't among the truly elite. I already said I think they could get to top 10-15 in the UFC with the right match-making and performances, but I don't find their fights consistently exciting with their approach against elite opposition (unless they are losing lol).

If we take away Storley crushing cans to start his career he has 3 finishes out of his next 13 fights, with one being a TKO arm-injury and another being putting down the highly-flawed and declined action fighter Brennan Ward. Against good fighters (not even elite ones), he just mostly gets takedowns with his huge wrestling advantage and plays a safe control game, since he can't just overwhelm those guys with an athleticism advantage.

Amasov has a higher ceiling than Storley because he is a far better striker and has fought a far higher level of competition that he showcased more dominance over. I just thought he was over-hyped after that Storley fight because he was 25-0 and they were trying to compare him to Khabib is all and Storley is not a proven elite fighter.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

No doubt a chance at the Contender Series

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Will get released for his first loss if hired at all

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The Storley rematch he won way more clearly, but that first one was an absolute nail-biter with the signature moment of Amasov getting his back taken late in round 3 and fighting out of a locked in RNC for like 30 seconds from what I recall.

Storley recently got lit-up by Shamil Musaev, who doesn't even have a Wiki (great fighter with a lot of potential though) then won a decision over Luca Poclit, another guy without a Wiki that is a submission fighter (another decision win against a guy he should be able to dominantly finish if he's truly elite).

I'd say just like Amasov getting slept by Jason Jackson (another underrated but not elite fighter) it just shows they aren't among the truly elite. I already said I think they could get to top 10-15 in the UFC with the right match-making and performances, but I don't find their fights consistently exciting with their approach against elite opposition (unless they are losing lol).

If we take away Storley crushing cans to start his career he has 3 finishes out of his next 13 fights, with one being a TKO arm-injury and another being putting down the highly-flawed and declined action fighter Brennan Ward. Against good fighters (not even elite ones), he just mostly gets takedowns with his huge wrestling advantage and plays a safe control game, since he can't just overwhelm those guys with an athleticism advantage.

Amasov has a higher ceiling than Storley because he is a far better striker and has fought a far higher level of competition that he showcased more dominance over. I just thought he was over-hyped after that Storley fight because he was 25-0 and they were trying to compare him to Khabib is all and Storley is not a proven elite fighter.

I don't really take not having wiki as meaning anything. Musaev is elite, destroyed Storley and hammered Ramazanov twice. Great fighter .

Logan's win against MVP is a high level win, he's also got a decent win over a prime Neiman Gracie and he hasn't really got any bad losses.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

I don't really take not having wiki as meaning anything. Musaev is elite, destroyed Storley and hammered Ramazanov twice. Great fighter .

Logan's win against MVP is a high level win, he's also got a decent win over a prime Neiman Gracie and he hasn't really got any bad losses.

Musaev has potential to be elite for sure, but until he beats an elite fighter (someone ranked #15 or higher) I can’t say it for sure - definitely a very fun fighter to watch though, brings the violence.

The reason he had no Wiki is he hasn’t beat a lot of notable fighters so no one care about him, that’s why beating guys without Wiki’s (or being beat by them) makes you question the significance of those wins/suspect those losses.

Storley should’ve lost to MvP, he did literally zero damage in 25 minutes, but that fight sucked regardless and really showed how limited he is against athletic fighters with good striking.

The Gracie win is his best performance, but Gracie wasn’t ranked and when you can make a BJJ guy stand with you because you have elite wrestling it makes your striking look far better than it actually is (what legit fighters had Neiman beat in the stand-up)?

I mean this is just reasonable criticism, I’m even admitting both Storley and Amasov (especially Amasov) could be fringe top 10 in the UFC. I’m just offering my perceptive critique of their performances and limitations as a whole.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Musaev has potential to be elite for sure, but until he beats an elite fighter (someone ranked #15 or higher) I can’t say it for sure - definitely a very fun fighter to watch though, brings the violence.

The reason he had no Wiki is he hasn’t beat a lot of notable fighters so no one care about him, that’s why beating guys without Wiki’s (or being beat by them) makes you question the significance of those wins/suspect those losses.

Storley should’ve lost to MvP, he did literally zero damage in 25 minutes, but that fight sucked regardless and really showed how limited he is against athletic fighters with good striking.

The Gracie win is his best performance, but Gracie wasn’t ranked and when you can make a BJJ guy stand with you because you have elite wrestling it makes your striking look far better than it actually is (what legit fighters had Neiman beat in the stand-up)?

I mean this is just reasonable criticism, I’m even admitting both Storley and Amasov (especially Amasov) could be fringe top 10 in the UFC. I’m just offering my perceptive critique of their performances and limitations as a whole.

The wiki thing is silly, it's kind of at the whims of who the UFC sign. I don't think Vartanyan has a wiki but anyone who doesn't think he's one of the top lightweights in the world is crazy

 

[Doctor Grudge]

Jason Jackson fight set him back a mile. People were calling him the best WW in the world LOL. WW Khabib. 27-0

Jason wasn't supposed to win but if he did everyone would have said a decision. Jason is a decision machine he couldn't even finish ancient Paul Daley or Benson yet he put Amosov out cold. Horrific look.

Meh, Belal Muhamad is the champ and recently got a finish too. Doesn't mean Brady and Edwards are not legit af.

Sometimes boring, decision machines win championships. Doesn't mean you're a can if you lose to them.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

The wiki thing is silly, it's kind of at the whims of who the UFC sign. I don't think Vartanyan has a wiki but anyone who doesn't think he's one of the top lightweights in the world is crazy

It’s notable in the sense that once you get elite wins people care about you and someone will put in the effort to make one.

So if you don’t have one you just probably aren’t proven as elite yet (though you may be/have the potential to be). It’s not the end all be all but it’s kind of a relevancy signifier.

Vartanyan has a wiki, though hasn’t beaten many guys that do (to be fair he’s fighting unknown killers in Russia, so it makes sense why there isn’t a lot of relevancy to pay attention to them).

Has to Vartanyan beat anyone you would consider a top 15 fighter in their prime? Not saying he isn’t elite, just impossible to get a read on his level without understanding the level of competition he’s facing.

Since you seem to be in the know I’m curious as to your take as “top lightweight in the world” - you think he’d beat a lot of the top 15 in the UFC then yeah?

 

[Hellowhosthat]

It’s notable in the sense that once you get elite wins people care about you and someone will put in the effort to make one.

So if you don’t have one you just probably aren’t proven as elite yet (though you may be/have the potential to be). It’s not the end all be all but it’s kind of a relevancy signifier.

Vartanyan has a wiki, though hasn’t beaten many guys that do (to be fair he’s fighting unknown killers in Russia, so it makes sense why there isn’t a lot of relevancy to pay attention to them).

Has to Vartanyan beat anyone you would consider a top 15 fighter in their prime? Not saying he isn’t elite, just impossible to get a read on his level without understanding the level of competition he’s facing.

Since you seem to be in the know I’m curious as to your take as “top lightweight in the world” - you think he’d beat a lot of the top 15 in the UFC then yeah?

I think he beat AAA in their rematch (although officially it's a loss) and he was definitely top 15 at that point. Guys like Raisov and Reznikov aren't top 15 but top 40 and he beat them convincingly.

I'm confident Vartanyan beats everyone apart from Islam, Gaethje, Charles and Arman which I think are all interesting fights.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

I think he beat AAA in their rematch (although officially it's a loss) and he was definitely top 15 at that point. Guys like Raisov and Reznikov aren't top 15 but top 40 and he beat them convincingly.

I'm confident Vartanyan beats everyone apart from Islam, Gaethje, Charles and Arman which I think are all interesting fights.

That's pretty high praise.

I'd like to see him in a bigger Org so we could get a better gauge of his performances against truly more elite fighters (there is a discernible sharp increase in level once you hit the top 15-20).

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, will keep my eye out on him more closely in the future.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

That's pretty high praise.

I'd like to see him in a bigger Org so we could get a better gauge of his performances against truly more elite fighters (there is a discernible sharp increase in level once you hit the top 15-20).

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, will keep my eye out on him more closely in the future.

If you get chance here are his semi final and final fights from the ACA GP against two very good fighters





I actually think he's the best anti Dagi style fighter in the world. I'd be really interested to see if Islam could shut him down.

 

[El Fernas]

Dana will make him go through the Contender Series.

Wouldnt surprise me that much but it would be a disgrace, for him and whatever opponent they can get to fight a guy that is like 27-1 former world champion.

 

[markys00]

Dana filled his quota on Eastern European fighters. Only at severe discount.

Ukrainian. Always room for a little left wing favoritism

 

[usernamee]

No doubt a chance at the Contender Series

vs Kevin Lee???

 

[DesiredUserName]

I always liked his 3 Laws of Robotics.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

If you get chance here are his semi final and final fights from the ACA GP against two very good fighters





I actually think he's the best anti Dagi style fighter in the world. I'd be really interested to see if Islam could shut him down.

I watched those fights and he’s a very good fighter, but I definitely saw some flaws. Those weren’t the best opponents either (neither would be a top 15 guy in the UFC), but they were very tough and skilled in certain areas.

Against top 15 now I’d say;

15 Paddy - Vart strongly
14 Jalin - Vart slightly
13 RDA - Vart
12 BDS - Even
11 Moicano - Moicano slightly
10 Fiziev - Fiziev
9 Gamrot - Gamrot slightly
8 Holloway - Holloway strongly
7 Dariush - Even
6 Chandler - Vart slightly
5 Hooker - Even
4 Dustin - Dustin
3 Gaethje - Gaethje strongly
2 Charles - Charles strongly
1 Arman - Arman strongly
C Islam - Islam strongly

So based on that he’d be like fringe top 10 - in the top 10 I only see him having good chances against Hooker/Chandler/Dariush, the top 5 would likely give him fits (though perhaps he could piece up Dustin with layered striking and better/faster footwork).

Just my read though, definitely seems to be elite and would like to see him fight this level of competition. Looks like Shabily is his best win and that was a split, so I have my questions still.

Hopefully he’s getting paid well, he definitely brings the action and violence consistently.

 

[blaseblase]

The Storley rematch he won way more clearly, but that first one was an absolute nail-biter with the signature moment of Amasov getting his back taken late in round 3 and fighting out of a locked in RNC for like 30 seconds from what I recall.

Storley recently got lit-up by Shamil Musaev, who doesn't even have a Wiki (great fighter with a lot of potential though) then won a decision over Luca Poclit, another guy without a Wiki that is a submission fighter (another decision win against a guy he should be able to dominantly finish if he's truly elite).

I'd say just like Amasov getting slept by Jason Jackson (another underrated but not elite fighter) it just shows they aren't among the truly elite. I already said I think they could get to top 10-15 in the UFC with the right match-making and performances, but I don't find their fights consistently exciting with their approach against elite opposition (unless they are losing lol).

If we take away Storley crushing cans to start his career he has 3 finishes out of his next 13 fights, with one being a TKO arm-injury and another being putting down the highly-flawed and declined action fighter Brennan Ward. Against good fighters (not even elite ones), he just mostly gets takedowns with his huge wrestling advantage and plays a safe control game, since he can't just overwhelm those guys with an athleticism advantage.

Amasov has a higher ceiling than Storley because he is a far better striker and has fought a far higher level of competition that he showcased more dominance over. I just thought he was over-hyped after that Storley fight because he was 25-0 and they were trying to compare him to Khabib is all and Storley is not a proven elite fighter.

It's welterweight, the UFC division is filled with old guys who never fight and duck tough matchups. They would be taking Ls too if they actually fought.