Alternative Pyramid Theories

[andnowweknow]

And if you made it 1mm tall and 2 atoms wide you could use it to tie a leash around the moon. I get exactly how massive the pyramid is. I got that from looking at numbers, not from comparisons with a completely different building or an imaginary wall. The 1 billion bid didnt seem serious so I didn't check it properly, and the 17 billion was if we assumed that we payed minumum wage to the amount of people assumed to have worked on it back in ancient days so it wasn't really relevant.

And the bolded part...sure, but that's true for many ambitious projects, and with the reconstructed pyramid we wouldn't have to worry about elevators, fire safety, advanced materials that can withstand earthquakes or anything like that. And you chose to mention the "carrying stones" part...that's exactly the part where we'd blow the ancient egyptians out of the water. They had to haul these things over wet sand, we can just load them onto trucks.
I really think you're over-mystifying the whole thing.

Loading and transporting isn't the modern problem...and I never said it would be a mystical problem for us today...nobody would ever do anything on that scale in modern times with stone so we'll never know.

Forgetting modernity for a moment, my general premise in the thread was simply that serious chunks of the story of how it was done whenever it was done are utterly absent from the archeological record.

 

[kenetics]

On the contrary, there is actually almost no evidence to suggest they did.... And you're right, the ideas of aliens is an insult, so stop talking about it. I don't think anyone in this thread as seriously suggested aliens did the work or contributed in any way...or probably more to the point, you're someone who doesn't understand how incredibly insanely difficult building the great pyramid would be even today.

and not to throw it in your face, but you're an idiot if you think the great pyramid has anything to do with "simple engineering tricks"...or better yet, you actually don't understand how extremely difficult engineering the great pyramid to its actual specifications would be today. It would cost BILLION AND BILLIONS of dollars to do and would take decades from quarry to structure...

I find huge hotels with all the wiring. Plumbing, ac units, electricity, and building materials more impressive then the pyramids.

 

[andnowweknow]

I find huge hotels with all the wiring. Plumbing, ac units, electricity, and building materials more impressive then the pyramids.

How lucky one would be to know you and pick your brain.

Seriously though, that is unfortunate you've come to that conclusion.

 

[kenetics]

How lucky one would be to know you and pick your brain.

Seriously though, that is unfortunate you've come to that conclusion.

I'm not impressed by stones built in triangle shapes that's why.

 

[andnowweknow]

I'm not impressed by stones built in triangle shapes that's why.

I'm ok with that if you are.

 

[ticho123]

Loading and transporting isn't the modern problem...and I never said it would be a mystical problem for us today...nobody would ever do anything on that scale in modern times with stone so we'll never know.

Forgetting modernity for a moment, my general premise in the thread was simply that serious chunks of the story of how it was done whenever it was done are utterly absent from the archeological record.

Yeah, I'll be sure to check out the videos in the OP later. I'm a big fan of the internal ramp theory personally, it's makes sense to me although I'm not a student of either engineering nor architecture I find it intriguing.

Don't take this the wrong way, because I like people who are passionate about things, even if I disagree with them, but the reason people accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist isn't because of anything specific you've said, but because you've got the tone of a conspiracist in some of your posts. Like when you jumped on that guy who talked about the wet sand thing even though it was very relevant. It's like your dead set on the fact that the pyramids are such a big mystery that can't be explained, because I haven't seen you present any of your own theories, only rag on others.

Regarding archeology I've read that they have found some signs of ramps being used, although none big enough to explain how they got actually got the stones to the top.


EDIT: And I must say that the guy above me does have a point when comparing the pyramids to modern buildings. Even if there are a lot of unique things you would have to do when re-constructing the pyramid, there are also a lot of things that you DON'T have to do, which would cheapen the process compared to modern buildings.

 

[Luke Rockhard]

I'm not impressed by stones built in triangle shapes that's why.

I'm with this dude. Currently we build some of the most amazing cities ever built by any civilization in the history of the planet. Yet people are impressed by the ancient pyramids.. That and people spouting off all these crazy theories like giants/aliens ect about how the pyramids were built are insane. Do you have no faith in humans? Especially 100,000 people working together over the period of 20 or so years? The pyramids were built by simple building techniques of the time and are not even unique. There's literally 100s of other pyramids around the world as well, some more impressive in location than Egypts

 

[andnowweknow]

Yeah, I'll be sure to check out the videos in the OP later. I'm a big fan of the internal ramp theory personally, it's makes sense to me although I'm not a student of either engineering nor architecture I find it intriguing.

Don't take this the wrong way, because I like people who are passionate about things, even if I disagree with them, but the reason people accuse you of being a conspiracy theorist isn't because of anything specific you've said, but because you've got the tone of a conspiracist in some of your posts. Like when you jumped on that guy who talked about the wet sand thing even though it was very relevant. It's like your dead set on the fact that the pyramids are such a big mystery that can't be explained, because I haven't seen you present any of your own theories, only rag on others.

Regarding archeology I've read that they have found some signs of ramps being used, although none big enough to explain how they got actually got the stones to the top.


EDIT: And I must say that the guy above me does have a point when comparing the pyramids to modern buildings. Even if there are a lot of unique things you would have to do when re-constructing the pyramid, there are also a lot of things that you DON'T have to do, which would cheapen the process compared to modern buildings.

all fair points. Any sort of irritated reactions from me are unfortunate and I'm not trying to be a dick. I've presented alternative ideas regarding when it was likely built (in general) and why orthodox views of how, when, why etc... are rubbish

...just not any ideas specifically regarding how because that gets into complete speculation. We know of one way to cut certain blocks found in Egypt (say the Serapeum) and that requires computers to get the precise flat surfaces they achieved...which sounds crazy even to someone like me who is pretty open minded. Doesn't mean there isn't another way to do all that stuff we find, but we don't know what that would be.

 

[andnowweknow]

I'm with this dude. Currently we build some of the most amazing cities ever built by any civilization in the history of the planet. Yet people are impressed by the ancient pyramids.. That and people spouting off all these crazy theories like giants/aliens ect about how the pyramids were built are insane. Do you have no faith in humans? Especially 100,000 people working together over the period of 20 or so years? The pyramids were built by simple building techniques of the time and are not even unique. There's literally 100s of other pyramids around the world as well, some more impressive in location than Egypts

where is there a more impressive pyramid than the the 3 on the Giza Plateau everyone knows about?

 

[Luke Rockhard]

where is there a more impressive pyramid than the the 3 on the Giza Plateau everyone knows about?

from seeing the mesoamerican pyramids IMO are much more impressive than gizas. The Pyramid of the Moon in San Juan Teotihuacan Mexico is by far a superior structure. In both visual and an engineering aspect.

 

[andnowweknow]

from seeing the mesoamerican pyramids IMO are much more impressive than gizas. The Pyramid of the Moon in San Juan Teotihuacan Mexico is by far a superior structure. In both visual and an engineering aspect.

that's the first time I've ever heard that. From an engineering respect, one would be relatively easy to reproduce compared to the other (speaking pyramid of the moon and Khufu). As for the visuals, that's totally subjective and Teotihuacan is an amazing place.

 

[andnowweknow]

another interesting aspect of Teotihuacan is that it doesn't have a confirmed builder as of now...thanks Luke Rockhard for bringing this pyramid complex up.

http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/archaeology/teotihuacan-/

Who Built It?

Cowgill says the site's visible surface remains have all been mapped in detail. But only five percent has been scientifically excavated.

Scholars once pointed to the Toltec culture. Others note that the Toltec peaked far later than Teotihuacan's zenith, undermining that theory. Some scholars say the Totonac culture was responsible.

No matter its principal builders, evidence shows that Teotihuacan hosted a patchwork of cultures including the Maya, Mixtec, and Zapotec. One theory says an erupting volcano forced a wave of immigrants into the Teotihuacan valley and that those refugees either built or bolstered the city.

The main excavations, performed by Professors Saburo Sugiyama of Aichi Prefectural University in Japan and Rub

 

[Luke Rockhard]

that's the first time I've ever heard that. From an engineering respect, one would be relatively easy to reproduce compared to the other (speaking pyramid of the moon and Khufu). As for the visuals, that's totally subjective and Teotihuacan is an amazing place.

well the pyramid of the moon and sun is part of a larger set of usable structures as part of a Teotihuacan metropolis. That's why I bring up the engineering aspect. More than 2,200 structures (including what they believe to be the first known apartment structures) and using a grid plan (similar to city engineering of today). So it's really a much larger area of about 8 square miles. The architectural quality of the two main structures for me personally is what puts it above the Giza Pyramids. Giza only has size in it's favor.

and in person, the whole city will blow your mind.

 

[andnowweknow]

well the pyramid of the moon and sun is part of a larger set of usable structures as part of a Teotihuacan metropolis. That's why I bring up the engineering aspect. More than 2,200 structures (including what they believe to be the first known apartment structures) and using a grid plan (similar to city engineering of today). So it's really a much larger area of about 8 square miles. The architectural quality of the two main structures for me personally is what puts it above the Giza Pyramids. Giza only has size on it's favor.

it's a fair enough opinion.

If you consider the entire giza necropolis that sort of modifies the argument but I don't have much qualm with anything in your post. It's an incredible world heritage site.

 

[Luke Rockhard]

it's a fair enough opinion.

If you consider the entire giza necropolis that sort of modifies the argument but I don't have much qualm with anything in your post. It's an incredible world heritage site.

true. Like Yankee fans, there's also Mets fans. I'm more of a mesoamerican fan over egytian.

being back on topic of the giza pyramids, ancient aliens is the worst thing that could have ever happened for the area. So much misinformation and insane theories today is rather laughable and really taking away from the true heritage of the structures. IMO

 

[andnowweknow]

true. Like Yankee fans, there's also Mets fans. I'm more of a mesoamerican fan over egytian.

being back on topic of the giza pyramids, ancient aliens is the worst thing that could have ever happened for the area. So much misinformation and insane theories today is rather laughable and really taking away from the true heritage of the structures. IMO

well yeah, for silly people who believe every bit of nonsense that show puts out. I love the show personally, but I understand that the conclusions it draws are high comedy. The footage and certain aspects of the show (before they say the words "what if it were true" lol) have merit IMO because they do cover the ancient sites of the world very well.

 

[Luke Rockhard]

well yeah, for silly people who believe every bit of nonsense that show puts out. I love the show personally, but I understand that the conclusions it draws are high comedy. The footage and certain aspects of the show (before they say the words "what if it were true" lol) have merit IMO because they do cover the ancient sites of the world very well.

i just think it tries to discredit the ingenious qualities of the human species. Like we're so dumb that the only way we could do things is with help from ET, especially since most of the people on the show have no credentials. Like Giorgio Tsoukalos. His credits include creating Legendary Times Magazine, and having a degree in sports information and communications. GTFoutta here, dude's no expert on anything, let alone ancient sites. Why not just do a special on Machu Picchu. I'd be satisfied with that.

 

[andnowweknow]

i just think it tries to discredit the ingenious qualities of the human species. Like we're so dumb that the only way we could do things is with help from ET, especially since most of the people on the show have no credentials. Like Giorgio Tsoukalos. His credits include creating Legendary Times Magazine, and having a degree in sports information and communications. GTFoutta here, dude's no expert on anything, let alone ancient sites. Why not just do a special on Machu Picchu. I'd be satisfied with that.

I'd much prefer that as well, unfortunately Ancient Aliens is a highly rated program for history channel and what you are suggesting over time would not be. Take what you can get I guess.

I get the feeling that Giorgio knows he's completely full of shit...

 

[Luke Rockhard]

I'd much prefer that as well, unfortunately Ancient Aliens is a highly rated program for history channel and what you are suggesting over time would not be. Take what you can get I guess.

I get the feeling that Giorgio knows he's completely full of shit...

Giorgio Tsoukalos gargles my taint. I'll be down for ancient Aliens with some actual experts. UFOlogists and cryptozoologists don't count as actual experts. Get some quality Astrophysicists, archaeologists, archaeo engineers/architects and maybe toss in some paleontologists for laughs and I'd watch.

 

[andnowweknow]

Giorgio Tsoukalos gargles my taint. I'll be down for ancient Aliens with some actual experts. UFOlogists and cryptozoologists don't count as actual experts. Get some quality Astrophysicists, archaeologists, archaeo engineers/architects and maybe toss in some paleontologists for laughs and I'd watch.

Giorgio occasionally talks to experts with some credibility who get this hilarious look on their face about halfway through the segment like "wait a minute...this dude is fuckin' crazy"

Also, people like Graham Hancock and Christopher Dunn have something to offer in terms of expertise, even if some of their ideas aren't on point. Both are extremely experienced in their fields...Hancock has about as much actual field archeology experience as anyone alive even though he's not an academic and Dunn is a machine tool maker and I believe worked on projects for JPL.

The best is when someone comes on and the bottom of the screen says "crypto-astronomical-martian-plutonian expert seer" or some shit like that.