Alternative Pyramid Theories

I believe the Pyramids like many other ancient megalithic Stone structures found across the globe were built by a race of Giants called the Nephilim. in Amos Moses refers to the Giants height as being as tall as a tree. surely whole races of these men could physically lift massive stones into place.

The beings who sired the giants were the fallen angels mentioned in genesis 6 and the Apocrypha Book of Enoch. somehow angels were able to go from a spirit or energy state to a solid matter state I'm working on my theory to explain how this can happen but essentially I think its possible similar to how energy is converted to solid matter here through differing natural processes.

If one has ever read the book of enoch then you'd know that after the watchers taught humankind all kind of bad juju they also started banging all the women and producing these giants. after what they'd done on the earth lead only to death destruction and idol worship. God commanded that all they had done and built be destroyed. before this destruction the watcher angels begged Enoch a man god favored to write up an apology basically for enoch to present to Yahweh on the fallen angels behalf.

this apology or petition was rejected and they were all killed in the flood....most of them the nephilim remnant that is alive today and back then imo erected all of these ancient megalithic structures to Yahweh as an attempt at atonement..I freely admit I could be wrong with my hypothesis.
 
Kick Strickland said:
Wow dude, I hadn't even thought of that but you're absolutely right. And wouldn't that fit in with the interior ramp theory? Holy crap, maybe THAT'S how they built it! Did we just solve how they built the freaking pyramids? :eek:
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I'll buy you a beer when we accept the Nobel! :icon_chee
 
Egypt really pisses me off. They need to dig under the sphinx not destroy it by fixing it up. Find the labyrinth that I believe Homer spoke of.
 
Thunderflash500 said:
Egypt really pisses me off. They need to dig under the sphinx not destroy it by fixing it up. Find the labyrinth that I believe Homer spoke of.
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that whole plateau supposedly has miles and miles of underground tunnels, rooms etc...whenever something is found they just put gates up to prevent people from going in. I get it's about safety but at least professionals should be allowed to go down there and record what they find.
 
andnowweknow said:
that whole plateau supposedly has miles and miles of underground tunnels, rooms etc...whenever something is found they just put gates up to prevent people from going in. I get it's about safety but at least professionals should be allowed to go down there and record what they find.
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When it comes to learning the secrets of the ancients I can't believe they just block it off and take so long. I thought it was pretty much the goal of man to learn of our past. If I had any say I'd say hey, build\buy ten less missles and take that money to fund highly professional teams to dig non stop around the plataue non stop.
 
The great pyramid is constructed differently than any other pyramid in Egypt. I believe it was the first, is far older than stated, and the rest are copies.
 
Thunderflash500 said:
When it comes to learning the secrets of the ancients I can't believe they just block it off and take so long. I thought it was pretty much the goal of man to learn of our past. If I had any say I'd say hey, build\buy ten less missles and take that money to fund highly professional teams to dig non stop around the plataue non stop.
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The authorities in Egypt have been more about preserving what is there than learning about what is there and discovery for the past 50 years.
 
andnowweknow said:
Great, now we know that on some level the Dynastic Egyptians could move a large rock across sand. Pyramid building problem solved.

That idea speaks in no way to how they would have cut, quarried, moved and placed 2.3 million blocks of stone weighing 6 million tons over a 14 acre footprint all the while aligning it to within 3/60ths of a degree true north...with intricate chambers and shafts that deviate less than an inch over hundreds of feet.

You should also be clear on the fact that not all the pyramids are built the same...most of them are basically rubble piles at this point. If I had to take a wild guess, those are probably copies by people who found the stuff at Giza, tried to copy it and had none of the skills to properly do it.
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Even with the water thing wasn't the quarry a long ways away? Wouldn't it take an unbelievable amount of water to help cope with friction to drag a single stone across the desert? 2.3 million blocks and all they needed was wet sand, not buying it. I'm an engineer by the way although I can't say that I am an expert on wood digging into sand physics I just think it's unlikely to move all those blocks in any reasonable time frame just by wetting the sand.

Also you make a good point in that ok sure assume that works for pulling the blocks, now tell me how they positioned them so precisely. I doubt we could do much better with 2015 surveying technology let alone whatever the hell these folks had. What did they reference to even think of setting up this geometry and positioning? It would honestly be an incredible feat for todays technology.

The level of accuracy is just astonishing. I mean imagine dragging 2.3 million blocks across the desert and for EACH one of them you not only drag it around but some dick head if whipping you telling you to pull it an extra millimetre this way...no that way...little more...ok too much back the other way...

On the topic of restoration, fuck that. Preservation? Sure do what you can to keep it in tact as long as you can but no way do you dare 'restore' it.
 
The two camps that exist here can be broken down easily, Industrious hard working Egyptians built them....OR.....Some advanced civilization did that had the ability do things that we can barely do today.....In a way both schools of thought are correct...The Egyptians where more advanced, THAN WE HAD PREVIOUSLY GIVEN THEN CREDIT FOR...At the end of the day it comes down to beliefs and the way people distort facts to accommodate the belief system that they have...I think they where built by very hard work, coupled with an extreme knowledge and understanding of engineering.....As a rule we get comfort from looking down on older civilizations , we distance ourselves from them because it makes us feel more powerful and secure ...(we will never disappear off the face of the earth like they did)....This "Looking Down" fits nicely with belief that a bunch of savages running around in Togas could never compete or be compared with the shit we can do....This I think creates 90 % of the mystery and controversies...that and the fact that we Love mystery and controversy....
 
andnowweknow said:
for perspective, Apple would go bankrupt trying to build the great pyramid to it's actual specs. Just for some perspective.
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Ive read an estimate that the pyramid would cost like 5 billion to construct with modern methods.

By the way, you have been talking about the "orthodox" way to explain the pyramid construction, but looking at the main stream information source, i.e. wikipedia, there really isnt one generally accepted hypothesis regarding how they managed to build the top part.
The most orthodox way of describing it is some kind of ramp, but it cant be straight since it would be twice as big as the pyramid itself then. The inner spiral theory feels much more legit, since they could build both the inner areas and the other walls simultaneously. In fact some of the inner rooms seems somewhat ramp-like, although theyre probably way to steep so its probably just a coincidence.
 
HeyBoone said:
I doubt we could do much better with 2015 surveying technology let alone whatever the hell these folks had. What did they reference to even think of setting up this geometry and positioning? It would honestly be an incredible feat for todays technology.
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What would exactly?
 
ticho123 said:
Ive read an estimate that the pyramid would cost like 5 billion to construct with modern methods.

By the way, you have been talking about the "orthodox" way to explain the pyramid construction, but looking at the main stream information source, i.e. wikipedia, there really isnt one generally accepted hypothesis regarding how they managed to build the top part.
The most orthodox way of describing it is some kind of ramp, but it cant be straight since it would be twice as big as the pyramid itself then. The inner spiral theory feels much more legit, since they could build both the inner areas and the other walls simultaneously. In fact some of the inner rooms seems somewhat ramp-like, although theyre probably way to steep so its probably just a coincidence.
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No project that needs to cut and move 30 times the amount of stone in the empire state building I'd costing 5 billion dollars...not to mention the r and d we'd need just to come up with the riggings to move and position blocks of that weight and the schematics alone would be daunting considering the inner structure.

By Orthodox I'm mostly referring to who is seen to have built it, why and when. Nobody has a monopoly in how.
 
andnowweknow said:
No project that needs to cut and move 30 times the amount of stone in the empire state building I'd costing 5 billion dollars...not to mention the r and d we'd need just to come up with the riggings to move and position blocks of that weight and the schematics alone would be daunting considering the inner structure.

By Orthodox I'm mostly referring to who is seen to have built it, why and when. Nobody has a monopoly in how.
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Some very light googling and reading have given me estimates between 1 and 17 billion.

The estimate of 5 billion is not from an eqyptologist but an architect.
http://m.livescience.com/18589-cost-build-great-pyramid-today.html

You keep bringing up the empire state, but thats a cherry picked exemple. There are other building projects that used a way larger quantity of material

The [Hoover] dam contains a volume of concrete roughly equal to the stone in the pyramid.*By comparison, the 1,776-foot-tall One World Trade Center being constructed in downtown Manhattan will cost an estimated $4 billion.
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ticho123 said:
Some very light googling and reading have given me estimates between 1 and 17 billion.

The estimate of 5 billion is not from an eqyptologist but an architect.
http://m.livescience.com/18589-cost-build-great-pyramid-today.html

You keep bringing up the empire state, but thats a cherry picked exemple. There are other building projects that used a way larger quantity of material
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"Material"...not quarried stone. Big difference...regarding the Hoover Dam and the Great Pyramid. Working with concrete with it's molding capabilities and of course being able to pour makes thinks incredibly easy compared to stone work.

And I'll just acquiesce on the building estimate, any true estimate would have to come from the combination of literally dozens of different industries because the task is so multi-dimensional because of the scope and unusual circumstances...anyone estimating that project at 1 Billion has no business estimating anything, so who knows about that source or any of them for that matter.

We use veneers these days to make things look like stone because it's far too expensive and difficult to work with pure stone blocks.

another fun fact...you could build a wall across the united states and back that is 3 feet tall and 1 foot wide out of the amount of stone in the great pyramid.
 
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andnowweknow said:
I think that number is just land mammals over 100lbs in body weight. Pretty interesting number...and scary to think that whatever happened around 12k years ago killed off just as many as are alive today.

We could be hunting giant beavers and ground sloths...but NOOOOOO...
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I hunt the giant beaver whenever I get the chance :icon_chee
 
andnowweknow said:
"Material"...not quarried stone. Big difference...regarding the Hoover Dam and the Great Pyramid. Working with concrete with it's molding capabilities and of course being able to pour makes thinks incredibly easy compared to stone work.

And I'll just acquiesce on the building estimate, any true estimate would have to come from the combination of literally dozens of different industries because the task is so multi-dimensional because of the scope and unusual circumstances...anyone estimating that project at 1 Billion has no business estimating anything, so who knows about that source or any of them for that matter.

We use veneers these days to make things look like stone because it's far too expensive and difficult to work with pure stone blocks.

another fun fact...you could build a wall across the united states and back that is 3 feet tall and 1 foot wide out of the amount of stone in the great pyramid.
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And if you made it 1mm tall and 2 atoms wide you could use it to tie a leash around the moon. I get exactly how massive the pyramid is. I got that from looking at numbers, not from comparisons with a completely different building or an imaginary wall. The 1 billion bid didnt seem serious so I didn't check it properly, and the 17 billion was if we assumed that we payed minumum wage to the amount of people assumed to have worked on it back in ancient days so it wasn't really relevant.

And the bolded part...sure, but that's true for many ambitious projects, and with the reconstructed pyramid we wouldn't have to worry about elevators, fire safety, advanced materials that can withstand earthquakes or anything like that. And you chose to mention the "carrying stones" part...that's exactly the part where we'd blow the ancient egyptians out of the water. They had to haul these things over wet sand, we can just load them onto trucks.
I really think you're over-mystifying the whole thing.
 
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