Alternative Pyramid Theories

[andnowweknow]

Honestly though, you have to admit the strong likelihood that there is no possible way human beings could have created the structures at the Giza Plateau. Not in the timeframe they were allegedly constructed in. Not with copper chisels and rock hammers. I will go as far as to say it's possible humans could have constructed them, but they couldn't have been people as we are today. They would have to have been much larger physically, and likely with much larger pre frontal cortexes. The sheer precision and grandeur size and scope of an engineering feat like that would be damn near impossible to pull off even today. Idc how many cranes they bring in, it would still take at minimum 120 years by today's standards to erect a structure like that. Not to mention we don't even know what that giant, ancient machine's purpose really was. Nobody today can figure it out.

Why are modern humans like us not capable of building this? We know that we today could build it to a tee despite the enormous resources it would take to accomplish, so why could humans of the past not have done it? I will completely agree that the toolset supposed by orthodox Egyptology is simply incapable of creating what we see, but that doesn't mean it wasn't human beings.

There are equally fantastic options other than "it was aliens" or "nonhumans", they just have more to do with missin pieces of the human record as opposed to what you are implying. The history of mankind is not linear, and that's not anything but fact.

 

[Nononononotorious]

Today's machinery could absolutely beat what they did if we wanted. Are you fucking serious? We have electron microscopes and GPS that's accurate to a square meter. We've sent people to the moon multiple times. Our technology and capabilities are well beyond theirs. All they did was align a damned pyramid and you act like we can't do that. We can measure way more precisely than they did. If you're asking why the single comparison, the Meridian Building, isn't as closely aligned, then you should ask them. There's several plausible reasons why from sloppy construction to foundation requirements to money to not giving a shit about that less than a degree deflection.

What type of silly shit are you smoking?

Is been shown time and time again that our modern machinery could not build the pyramids.

You are the one smoking.

What an idiot.

 

[E Undead]

pyramidiots on sherdog? why am i not surprised?

gotta love those guys

we're able to send robots to the mars but we arent able to build pyramids

 

[DoomPatrol]

Is been shown time and time again that our modern machinery could not build the pyramids.

You are the one smoking.

What an idiot.

Oh it's been shown time and time again? Show me one single time then when qualified people attempted and failed with modern machinery?

What a loon. Where's your buddy @andnowweknow? You still think I'm the crazy one?

 

[Nononononotorious]

Oh it's been shown time and time again? Show me one single time then when qualified people attempted and failed with modern machinery?

What a loon. Where's your buddy @andnowweknow? You still think I'm the crazy one?

You're a moron

Common knowledge that modern machinery can't do it.

Why do you think the pyramids are so fascinating?

If we could do it, nobody would be talking about them. Seeing as how they are easy as a McDonald's to build

 

[aus101]

I honestly think the biggest problem that is super obvious is that the great pyramid wasn't built as a tomb for Khufu based on the evidence at hand. When it was built is completely based on who they believe built it, which itself is based on extremely shaky foundations.

I believe I have stated this prior in the thread, but the story about the Great Pyramid from the orthodox viewpoint, was created during the late 19th/early 20th Century with regards to who they thought built it and when. And when you look at the evidence that was based on, it's silly. The Khufu attribution is based off of 1 small statue of Khufu that they found, as I recall, in a nearby mortuary temple and a cartouche that means something along the lines of "khufu's gang", or something to that affect. The great pyramid is not inscribed otherwise, and is never referred to directly in any contemporary or reliable source as built by or for anyone in particular. It's a complete guess.

THE ONLY REASONS the great pyramid itself is attributed to Khufu (outside of my final thought below) is described in the above paragraph, and the only reason it is given a construction date of circa 2600BC (and a 20 year time period) is because it had to have been built during Khufu's lifetime for it to be a tomb. It, along with the other 80 or so pyramids found in Egypt, have never, not one instance, been found to have a burial contemporary to construction, found in them...ever. I don't know why people seem to confuse the valley of the kings with the pyramids, but that is where the burials have been found (yes a few have been found near or in pyramids too, but not contemporary to construction, even the given dates for said construction which is likely incorrect in most cases), and it is many many miles away from Giza.

Last, because there really isn't much to go on, there is a big habit in archeology and in Egyptology in particular (by default because it is the most widespread and well preserved archeological landscape on the earth due to climate conditions) of attributing structures of unknown origin to the same entity of nearby structures of known origin. IE, "Khufu built temples/buildings near the Great Pyramid, thus, Khufu built the Great Pyramid"...it's really REALLY faulty logic but taken as gospel in Egyptology.

Nah man it's a tomb. They built this huge structure and the centrepiece was this oranate room, including a concrete sarcophagus. Looks so tomblike see... jks yeah def not a tomb.

 

[andnowweknow]

Nah man it's a tomb. They built this huge structure and the centrepiece was this oranate room, including a concrete sarcophagus. Looks so tomblike see... jks yeah def not a tomb.

that box in point of fact is one sold piece of red granite. You can still see the drill marks they used to core it out.

 

[DoomPatrol]

You're a moron

Common knowledge that modern machinery can't do it.

Why do you think the pyramids are so fascinating?

If we could do it, nobody would be talking about them. Seeing as how they are easy as a McDonald's to build

They are fascinating because it was a monumental undertaking during a period in human history that's lasted thousands of years, not because they somehow magically accomplished it and we can't. We're sending motherfuckers to Mars soon, been to the moon several times, have people living in the International Space Station, created the internet, and have buildings that go to 2000 feet. It's seriously some dumb shit to say we aren't capable of stacking boulders like the pyramids. That's just absurd.

 

[RIPWarrior]

 

[RIPWarrior]

Something happened in the past the took out the people/beings that built these places.

 

[Nononononotorious]

They are fascinating because it was a monumental undertaking during a period in human history that's lasted thousands of years, not because they somehow magically accomplished it and we can't. We're sending motherfuckers to Mars soon, been to the moon several times, have people living in the International Space Station, created the internet, and have buildings that go to 2000 feet. It's seriously some dumb shit to say we aren't capable of stacking boulders like the pyramids. That's just absurd.

 

[andnowweknow]

The stone boxes in the serapeum are imo some of the best evidence for earlier works getting confused with being of known Egyptian time periods. The hieroglyphics on the boxes look like they were done by 5 year olds with sharp stones and they in no way match the precision or beauty of the boxes themselves which almost certainly were machined and not created by hand. That is to say whoever did the graffiti on the boxes had none of the abilities of those who created them. The whole reason they are attributed as tombs for Apes bulls is from the shitty scratched in writings... Incredibly lazy and dumb sleuthing by whoever coined the notion.

It is literally Impossible to get the end to end flatness achieved (down to no more than micron level deviation from end to end) on these SINGLE PIECE polished granite boxes using hand powerless tools and chemical softeners, the human eye simply can't perceive that level of accuracy. The people who created these boxes did it with some technique not noted in the Egyptian tool record.

Today we would do this with super high PSI computer guided water cutting machines and high speed electric powered core drills.

What does it all mean? Well, it's confusing but the reasonable answer without going too overboard is that somewhere along the line they (who and when is up in the air, and yes human beings, not aliens) developed sophisticated power induced methods of cutting and polishing stone far more precisely than hand work can achieve. I personally don't believe we could have simply overlooked this in the known Egyptian time periods, thus, however improbable it sounds, the work must have been done far earlier in pre history and somehow the chain of accumulated knowledge got broken.

 

[Doughbelly]

I never said anything remotely like that, and im not sure anyone in this thread has seriously suggested anything but human beings built the structures on the plateau at Giza.

Answer me this, since you're an engineer (and hopefully capable of some plain logic)...Why does the Greenwich Observatory, which was specifically cardinally aligned, deviate more from true north than Khufu's pyramid that was made by people who supposedly didn't have the wheel? It's simple stuff, right?

Two reasons.

One, the closer you get to the equator, the easier it is to determine a true north. The further north you go, the more difficult it is to determine how much off of magnetic north you are due to the degree of declination. Furthermore, there is less precision in determining the angle because the distance between the arcs is closer together, while your measuring instruments retain the same resolution.

The second reason is related to the first. Large objects and points are much, MUCH easier to align in more perfect geometry, in better alignment than small objects. If I have two ropes and three posts, I have line segments AB and BC. B is the junction. Let's say BC is off angle from AB by 1 degree.

The two ropes are a meter long each. Can you detect that 1 degree by eye balling? You probably can't.

OTOH, let's say those line segments were each a hundred meters long. Could you detect it by eyeballing? EVERY, SINGLE. TIME. Because at 1 degree off center by 100 meters, there is a significant deviance in where post C is by actual distance.

All over the world, builders who have no idea what geometry is will know how to make right angles out of a length of rope. (I'm going to leave it to you to ponder how without looking up.) The longer the rope, the close to true 90 you can make a structure. Think about it.

As for why pyramid shaped? I'm going to let you think about why anyone who has actually built shit why it's better to have wider base than a top for any free standing structure. (Seriously? You dumb motherfuckers can't look at a sand castle or an hourglass and intuit why a pyramid shape is best? I honestly can't believe in this day and age that we have humans that can read and write and have access to the collective sum totality of human knowledge at their fingertips can't figure this out for themselves.

Here's a hint. How many square/cube fucking mountains have you seen?

 

[Thunderflash500]

You can't call them flaws unless you have something to compare it too.

You can say you find the hypothesis unbelievable but unbelievable compared to what?

The pyramids are there so we know they were built. There are theories on how it was done. If you want to knock down those theories you have to offer some alternative and if you want it to be taken seriously it has to answer more questions than the current theories.

This is completely flawed reasoning. Of course you can point out an obvious flaw.

 

[Supereem]

This is one of the dumbest threads I have ever read.

 

[Supereem]

I absolutely understand the scope of effort. It's still just a pyramid. The most structurally sound of all building shapes. It's not like they put a 100 story high rise up with light steel. They stacked heavy large blocks in a line. You have no clue because nobody in modern times has bothered to replicate the feat. It's insanely irritating listening to you keep dismissing the capabilities of these people. It's not at all nightmarish levels of planning or construction. It's definitely hard, but it's completely possible and the results speak for themselves.

So unless you want to tell me they had magical equipment that was "lost in time" or had outside help from aliens, then you should stop acting like they weren't capable because they were. Again, construction is literally my job. I don't know what you do on a day to day basis, but ensuring construction progress and making complicated jobs happen is what I do. People like you do this shit all the time pretending like our ancestors weren't intelligent enough to use the tools at hand.

These people have a poor understanding of history and never went to Univeristy. And it's not like th Giza pyramids were their first attempt, they spent hundreds of years perfecting pyramids and the early step pyramids look like shit (or did aliens purposely build shit pyramids as a joke?).

There is absolutely no intellectual basis for this discussion yet this topic thrives. People are stupid.

 

[BearGrounds]

These people have a poor understanding of history and never went to Univeristy. And it's not like th Giza pyramids were their first attempt, they spent hundreds of years perfecting pyramids and the early step pyramids look like shit (or did aliens purposely build shit pyramids as a joke?).

There is absolutely no intellectual basis for this discussion yet this topic thrives. People are stupid.

Yes, people are stupid. And if you truly believe that there's absolutely no intellectual basis for this discussion, than that means that you (sorry to say) are one of those stupid people.

 

[Shonuffbrad]

 

[Shonuffbrad]

I think this video kind of explains how they moved the big boulders around

 

[BearGrounds]

I think this video kind of explains how they moved the big boulders around

That video has already been linked at least twice in this very thread. Posts 204 and 188, to be exact.