All Time GOAT poll

[Yellowcrab]

nobody cares about Fedor losing to Hendo except people like you who try to discredit an entire career over 1 single fight. people talk about Jones losing to Hammil more than they talk about Fedor losing to Hendo.

This is how delusion Fedor's fanboys are

Imagine a single second the storm Jon Jones would have had to endure if he had a loss against a 40 years old WW : it's basically him losing against GSP right now.

Fedor wasn't even close to a 42-1 favorite to win. that tells you right away, more people believed Hendo could beat Fedor than Douglas could beat Tyson.

A 34 years old HW doesn't lose against a 40 years old MW. End of the story.

Such a thing doesn't happen in any universe, except to Fedor

Then you have the bullshit TRT excuse, but how Fedor remained undefeated in Japan against younger fighters under far more powerful drugs then ? This is how delusional Fedor's fanboys are once again.

Tyson didn't almost beat Douglas. he dropped him but it was a flash knockdown. if he was really hurt he wouldn't have KO'd Tyson in the very next rd.

"Wasn't really hurt" + likely saved by the bell :



Also, why do you even talk about that ? Once again : same weight class and Douglas was only 30 years old.

Are you so desperate to use such an example as a comparison ?

you can like Jon Jones without having to try to drag Fedor's career.

It has nothing to do with Jon Jones, i genuinely believe Fedor is an average fighter and would have had the same fate than Mirko if he came in the UFC.

Countless fighters are well above him and i mean countless ones.

 

[TheBeastofHonor]

50 percent of the mma community

Lol that's wishful thinking on your part based on the goat polls twitter which is a much alrger demographic than sherdog the majority of people believe he's the undisputed goat by a large margin

 

[jeff7b9]

In terms of accomplishments he is so far ahead of everyone else it is undisputable, incontrovertible, that's a wrap, case closed nothing further your honor.



It really comes down to if you think all the other goat candidates are clean. And always clean.

I don't. Maybe Mighty Mouse.

My goat list , not exact order

Jon
Anderson
Fedor
Mighty Mouse
GSP
Aldo

Jon: had failed ped tests
Anderson: failed PED tests
Fedor: PrideFC allowed and arguably encouraged PED use.
Mighty Mouse: clean as far as I know but a goddamn hell of an athlete and effective much older than most 125ers.
GSP: super shady 20 ?s w vada (usada?)
Failed the shit out of eye test and had suspicious marks on belly and hgh gut.
Aldo: dropped piss incident

So we are just gonna say JON is banned but everyone else gets a pass. Hey look, if you wanna say MM is the one and only GOAT, 11 title defenses, debatable SD to Henry, won defended and recaptured OneFC belt, that's cool with me. He is a bad motherfucker and I got no dirt on him so cool.

Otherwise, whats with the selective outrage?

 

[The Don]

Surely the difference is though those who haven't ever failed a test get some benefit of the doubt, those who have failed tests, multiple tests at that don't. Does your argument boil down to in Costa's case that because of his physique you believe is a cheat, albeit a smart one capable of getting away with it while the likes of Bones are cheaters but are also stupid enough to get caught?

Of course. But I think it's very safe to assume that the majority of the fighters are on something. I think it doesn't need to be said that the sport is a grueling one. You're more surprised nowadays when someone doesn't pop. The general assumption is that everyone is on some sort of performance enhancing drug(s) and it's the nature of the game. It's not only just the UFC, it's all of combat sports.

As of Costa, I think he's a great example honestly. You can't look at him and say he's clean when fighters who doesn't have nearly the same physique as him have popped before. I think people overcomplicate it. When I think it's just as simple as Jones got caught like so many others before him and after him, while others didn't.

 

[orca]

on youtube? no it's not. their algorithm doesn't send me MMA videos and i've watched MMA since the 90s. i even practiced it and did it. their algorithm sends me things i'm not even interested in, just because i accidentally misclicked on a video, or was sent a video.

i don't get why you're using youtube views as some kind of metric that means anything. bots exist you know? there's a whole business built around faking views and subs. while i told you straight up that PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS consider Fedor the best. but you ignore that like youtube views means more than actual fighter's opinions.




weak competition? he beat a number of UFC champions, kickboxing champions, and Olympians. actually, more than Jon Jones did. so his greatness hinged on a single loss? i also didn't see him get destroyed, he was on the verge of winning before Hendo pulled off a miraculous comeback while ON TRT.

Ernesto Hoost lost to a NFL player with a couple years training and barely a handful of fights twice by stoppage. i don't see anyone questioning Hoost's greatness. that's never happened to any great fighter before either. Mike Tyson was a 42-1 favorite to not just beat but destroy Buster Douglas and he's the one who got destroyed. yet everyone still thinks Mike is one of the greatest ever. that never happened to a great fighter before either. Jon Jones lost to Matt Hammil because he disqualified himself while completely dominating Hammil. that's never happened before to a great fighter.

are you seeing how "that's never happened to a great fighter" is a terrible argument yet?

fedor fought like 90 percent bums in japan
best wins where nog and cro cop
loooool

prime fedor suddenly lost left and right in america
where there is drug testing
if ur an adult with a fully grown brain
you obviously could figure this out

whats real and whats delusion

 

[jeff7b9]

I see a lot of people shitting on Fedor for losing his 34th, 35th and 36th pro fights after going ten years and 33 fights without a proper defeat. While also doing 12 years of combat Sambo, looks like 10 of them at the international level. And a few years of national level Judo.

That's a lot of miles..

Jon, GSP, Mighty Mouse will never get to their 34th pro mma fight..

Aldo fell off at #27 (Conor) and lost his title for good at #29(Max)

Context matters.

Anderson and Fedor lost some fights, but they had both achieved more than most LONG before that. They could have pulled a GSP and had records that would be insane.

33-4 10 UFC title defenses
31-1 (1nc) 18 straight wins as Lineal world HW champ

 

[fica]

No.



You can't cheat as much under USADA as without USADA. So true or not, your argument is irrelevant.



Because i actually rely on facts (but you hate facts) never proven guilty : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Jones#Failed_drug_tests

The same thing happened to O'Malley, but no one cares because it's not Jon Jones : https://ufc.usada.org/sean-omalley-accepts-sanction-second-doping-violation/



Oustide of Japan is record is bad : he lost to a MW grandpa, to not even gatekeeper level Silva, destroyed by Bader in 2019 (sure he was old but he litteraly lasted 35 fucking seconds...) etc.

Didn't t he hide also under the stands something just not to do drug test. Guy was always on gear usada or not if ufc hired WADA he would be banned for life in ufs or another mma org

 

[blaseblase]

Jones is the PED GOAT. If you value a clean sport you have to put an asterisk next to his accomplishments.

 

[Tweak896]

For me it has to do with the way USADA changed the landscape. All the guys who are "GOAT" candidates didn't stay undefeated post-USADA.
-Silva went 1-5-(1)
-GSP beat 1 eyed 40 year old GSP and ghosted
-Fedor was sort of like Silva where he was shopworn after 2015
-Aldo 6-7 since USADA
-Jones 7-0-(1) since USADA

There might be that the game wasn't fully well rounded and these guys took advantage and went on their streaks. It might be when their in their late 30s after USADA comes father time came for them or mileage, but it just seems very eye opening how none of potential candidates did particularly well when USADA arrived.

It's just sort of weird how people can claim the landscape was different pre-USADA and then pretend their champions were the most dominant forces and clean during those periods of time. Even the guys afterwards never had the same "auras" of invincibility. To me there is clear difference between eras, similar to baseball had it, it's hard to defend guys were breaking home run records next to so many juicers. Jones is technically the most impressive in the clean era, so I have to give him credit. It's hard for me logically to accept the circumstances and think they all were clean and fighting better than the guys who were probably on things.

So it's either these guys were clean and dominating/cleaning out their divisions full of juicers so PEDs don't matter, or PEDs do matter and the guys at top were getting away with it.

 

[VinceArch]

Yeap, it hurts you LOL.

Hater hate on hate on, Hater hate on hate on

Too obvious, troll harder.

 

[Askafan]

What's the correlation between Jones haters and the "they're all on gear" crowd? If you think they're all cheating then how does Jones cheating hurt his goat status?

 

[skylolow]

I don't really care one way or the other...................but for anyone to sit here and think the sport as a whole is clean outside of these few cheaters that get busted is being very naive. You have fighters themselves basically saying large percentage of fighters are cheaters. Hell, before USADA it was more or less the wild wild west unless you were just a moron when it came to getting busted for PED's.


There is no purpose for USADA's of the world if only a few percent of the athletes are cheating.

 

[Luckyme]

He's like the Barry Bonds of MMA.

His accomplishments unquestionably put him in contention for GOAT. But there will always be an asterisk on his record due to the failed drug tests.

 

[ermac88]

Jones is the PED GOAT. If you value a clean sport you have to put an asterisk next to his accomplishments.

He's like the Barry Bonds of MMA.

His accomplishments unquestionably put him in contention for GOAT. But there will always be an asterisk on his record due to the failed drug tests.

The difference between MLB and MMA is, the sport was conceived with steroids, where promotions like Pride encouraged them

If there is an "asterisk" by Jones name stemming from USADA, then there is an asterisk by every alleged GOAT, or even fighter who partook in MMA prior to USADA

 

[CodCommando]

Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?

You do realize mostly EVERYONE in the Top 10 is cheating, that's my opinion but I believe it. Ex drug users know drug users...

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Do you realize ? Even more than Lesnar and Overeem... he must have cheated way more than both

Keep hating

Exactly, more failed tests than Lesnar and Brock = random coincidence.

Seems unlikely to me.

 

[blaseblase]

The difference between MLB and MMA is, the sport was conceived with steroids, where promotions like Pride encouraged them

If there is an "asterisk" by Jones name stemming from USADA, then there is an asterisk by every alleged GOAT, or even fighter who partook in MMA prior to USADA

Not quite. There's a difference between wondering if someone cheated vs knowing it. Also it's only cheating if it's illegal. If PEDs were encouraged in Pride it means everyone was abiding by the rules. Versus Jones cheating in the USADA era where it is explicitly not allowed.

 

[Juice]

Too obvious, troll harder.

Yeap, the truth hurts you LOL.

Hater hate on hate on, Hater hate on hate on

 

[MuffinsAppletree]

Honest question to Jones fans. I am done arguing with you guys and if in the face of all the evidence , if you still support your boy so be it .

But if sherdog is to represent a microcosm of the world wide MMA community, I believe it is safe to say that half of this community does not believe Jones to be goat due to PED usage.

Don't you all thing that you would at least need a majority of people to believe a fighter is goat before designating this label to him/her?

Doesn't it bother you at all that Jones does not have that support of the MMA community?

As I’ve gotten older I’ve realized that other peoples opinions don’t matter if mine is different. My job isn’t to change their opinions, but l can listen to their view and move on with my life.

with that said, I think jones is the best of all time, but a complete narcissist POS outside the cage.

 

[Streeter]

12 years fighting all legit top competition and never was beaten in cage. Noone has his resume or even close with no loses . Who else is goat if not Bones ?