All Time GOAT poll

Dbreiden83080 said:
Nobody has ever properly been able to explain the whole tapping to strikes argument. Even fighters that claim you should not do it often went on in their career to do exactly that. It’s quite funny to me.

you do know that a broken arm or broken ankle heals but brain damage does not correct?
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To me it is more about losing to a 155er fresh off a reality show in the middle of his prime. Being finished by him.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t tap to strikes or that it should be frowned upon. I just don’t think he’s the goat.

Shit it takes a lot of guts to quit in front of all those people.
 
He got whooped on by a one-dimensional, one-punch wrestler while he was in his prime.
 
is a said:
Quality of Usman's challengers were arguably > GSP's title defenses for the title.

Usman was almost on the way there (imagine if Usman won the Edwards 2nd fight because holy fuck did that head kick change everything) and if he beat Chimaev, he would have clinched it.

But what a shame.

He just got Penned
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2 of his title fights were against Jorge Masvidal lmfao. That leaves 3 legitimate defenses.
 
is a said:
Quality of Usman's challengers were arguably > GSP's title defenses for the title.

Usman was almost on the way there (imagine if Usman won the Edwards 2nd fight because holy fuck did that head kick change everything) and if he beat Chimaev, he would have clinched it.

But what a shame.

He just got Penned
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Usman has 5 successful title defences, but 4 of them were against 2 guys. 2 of them were against Masvidal. I think Masvidal is 1 of the best strikers but Mas was around in the GSP era & was never close to a title shot (LW at the time). I do think a lot of people underrate Mas but hard to argue for him given his career record, which is unimpressive.

I think Colby is legit 1 of the best but most of his best wins haven't aged well at all. Lawler was in the midst of a 4 fight losing streak (Colby was the 3rd straight loss, Lawler would lose his next 1 after that too). Lawler lost 5 of his last 6 with the Colby fight being the 3rd straight loss). Tyron lost 4 straight, with the Colby fight being the 3rd straight loss, & then Tyron lost right after that again & retired. Maia was 40 yrs old or about to turn 40 when he fought Colby. The recurring theme for Colby is most of his best wins were guys who were old &/or clearly past their prime.

I don't think Usman was close, GSP has much more top 5 wins, top 10 wins, # of successful title defences. GSP has at least double Usman in those categories. I think I would've favoured Khamzat over Usman as well, so there's no guarantee at all that Usman was gonna beat Khamzat
 
King in the North said:
To me it is more about losing to a 155er fresh off a reality show in the middle of his prime. Being finished by him.

I’m not saying he shouldn’t tap to strikes or that it should be frowned upon. I just don’t think he’s the goat.

Shit it takes a lot of guts to quit in front of all those people.
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He's def the GOAT WW.. Jones on paper is the actual GOAT but the drug issues will always cloud the legacy in the minds of many.

Any sub is quitting.. And what we know today about CTE and concussions.. Come on now.. Give me a broken arm any day over that..
 
chinarice said:
Nope, i've done MMA and i promise you i'd tap in a heartbeat to my skull being caved in before I ever in a million years tap to a choke

I've been gurgling from chokes. Wouldn't tap. If you punch my eyesocket and i no longer can see, I am probably giving up.

Fucking LOL at a choke being worse
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Alot of people get choke and do not tap. You just got to sleep. Painless. Tapping to strikes from another man is the worse you can do because it's a pain tolerance tap of being beaten down.

That's why fighters curl to all fours to give up the back to get choke.
 
kenetics said:
Alot of people get choke and do not tap. You just got to sleep. Painless. Tapping to strikes from another man is the worse you can do because it's a pain tolerance tap of being beaten down.

That's why fighters curl to all fours to give up the back to get choke.
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Curling up in the same as tapping.

Also you just prover my point that tapping to a choke is worse.
 
Usman was only 1-2 finishes in defenses away from surpassing GSP. He beat GSP's WW win streak, and was 1 win away from tying Silva's UFC win streak record. He had 3x more finishes in title defenses than GSP had, in just over half as many defenses. He was unable to do it, but he was much closer than the insecure fanbois want to admit.

GSP's level of competition is probably the single most overrated thing in Sherdog history, boys. Let's not get into all that.

Usman was a cunthair from surpassing GSP as the divisional GOAT, but he didn't.
 
chinarice said:
Curling up in the same as tapping.

Also you just prover my point that tapping to a choke is worse.
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No. Curling up means you don't want to tap. You either want the ref to stop fight or turn over so your opponent can stop punching you and go for the painless too choke.

Surprised you don't know this. There are videos of fighters saying tapping to strikes is the worst out of ko, tko or sub.
 
kenetics said:
No. Curling up means you don't want to tap. You either want the ref to stop fight or turn over so your opponent can stop punching you and go for the painless too choke.

Surprised you don't know this. There are videos of fighters saying tapping to strikes is the worst out of ko, tko or sub.
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Curling up and accepting a choke fate means you aren't afraid of it ffs lol

They're clearly petrified of taking insane damage so give up a choke because it's an easy out

I can't believe how silly this is. There is nothing shameful about tapping period but you're never ever ever gonna convince me it's more manly to give up and let someone choke you.


That's the same thng as tapping whether you want to admit it or not. No more manly, at all.

A real man will just let the fighrer kill him in the cage, using your logic. Only a few have this mentality. Most will roll on their stomachs and accept they lost because getting your brain pulverized sucks. a choke is nothing.
 
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Fioretti said:
Usman was only 1-2 finishes in defenses away from surpassing GSP. He beat GSP's WW win streak, and was 1 win away from tying Silva's UFC win streak record. He had 3x more finishes in title defenses than GSP had, in just over half as many defenses. He was unable to do it, but he was much closer than the insecure fanbois want to admit.

GSP's level of competition is probably the single most overrated thing in Sherdog history, boys. Let's not get into all that.

Usman was a cunthair from surpassing GSP as the divisional GOAT, but he didn't.
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The irony
 
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