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All the slam KO'S are actually just headbutt KO'S Right?

No? There are rules against back of the head shots for a reason. Look at that boxer, Prichard something, that’s fucked for life because of rabbit punches. The headbutt just keeps the cranium in place so the brain can rattle around freely.

It’s an extremely dangerous move, but also very easy to defend.
 
If that’s legal, any other strike to a grounded opponent should be legal imo.
 
They're a contributing factor in some cases, but the combination of framing of the forearm across the chin, the back of the head taking the contact. Sometimes just the force or landing on the head wrong is enough to sleep someone. Other's can take some crazy slams and recover such as Fedor against Randleman. You get slams like when Vinc Pinchel got slammed there was 0 headbutt involved. Tonight's one I believe had a headbutt similar to Rampages and like rampages, I think it helped contribute but it wasn't the decider, I do think under video review these finishes could be DQs or NCs depending if the headbutts are intentional or not however that would damage marketing ability.
I clinched up with a guy in amateur mt (no knees to the head) and the guy tried to lower his head and scoot his way out of the clinch while i threw a knee, and because it appeared i *almost* kneed him in the face, the ref stopped the fight and warned me about kneeing to the head. So in future fight I told another ref about that and explained that I was throwing a knee to the belly but the guy lowered his head toward my knee. That ref told me that if you throw a legal strike and they turn their body to make it an illegal strike, it is still legal. He even said that if you knock the fighter out with one of those strikes, it still counts. I'm not sure I agree with the last part, but it makes sense. Like if you throw a punch and the other guy turns around and exposes the back of the head, that is his fault for turning around while you are punching. I think the same logic applies here, where if they are holding onto a submission and you want to slam them, and they choose not to let go of the sub, then you can slam them and if your head collides with their chin, it is just incidental contact to the slam.
 
Why wouldnt you just let go the submission and stand up at that point?
Sometimes the sub happens instead. Its a gamble for both of them

Oh were back to era where you cant copy paste images with phone. Oh well Barry vs Struve is an example
 
Sometimes the sub happens instead. Its a gamble for both of them

Oh were back to era where you cant copy paste images with phone. Oh well Barry vs Struve is an example
Gegard subbed Manhoef like that if i'm not misremembering.

Powerbomb and slams aren't really that effective as a defensive maneuver most of the time, but you're always going to remember the few times it really works.
 
Gegard subbed Manhoef like that if i'm not misremembering.

Powerbomb and slams aren't really that effective as a defensive maneuver most of the time, but you're always going to remember the few times it really works.
Yup thats another one.
 
I know the back of the head hitting the canvas is no good but I think it's the headbutt that follows causes the lights to go out.
Any thoughts?
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NAw there's been plenty of K.Os from slams with no head contact and Arona was out from the slam before the heads clicked...if they even did
 
don’t recall any good escape techniques. Arm might be tied up but could releasing triangle at least let legs drop and make slam less damaging?
 
I saw the slam ko today from different angles. There was no head butt, he just slammed him on the back of his fucking head hard. Most guys are going night night in that situation. The follow up punches were completely unnecessary. Guy was out immediately from slam as his arms fell to his side immediately and eyes rolling to back of his head with a limp body.
There's nothing going on upstairs with that individual. All they could say was "shoutout Rampage" while they laid there dead
 
No, not all of them. And in a case where there is a headbutt it's impossible to know which impact caused it. I'd be more inclined to say the slam because it's the much bigger impact but they happen way too quickly to be able to tell.
 
I clinched up with a guy in amateur mt (no knees to the head) and the guy tried to lower his head and scoot his way out of the clinch while i threw a knee, and because it appeared i *almost* kneed him in the face, the ref stopped the fight and warned me about kneeing to the head. So in future fight I told another ref about that and explained that I was throwing a knee to the belly but the guy lowered his head toward my knee. That ref told me that if you throw a legal strike and they turn their body to make it an illegal strike, it is still legal. He even said that if you knock the fighter out with one of those strikes, it still counts. I'm not sure I agree with the last part, but it makes sense. Like if you throw a punch and the other guy turns around and exposes the back of the head, that is his fault for turning around while you are punching. I think the same logic applies here, where if they are holding onto a submission and you want to slam them, and they choose not to let go of the sub, then you can slam them and if your head collides with their chin, it is just incidental contact to the slam.
I see your point and I think it's a grey area and is usually left to the refs discretion. For example, when Connor first finished DP, I actually would've called it a NC or DQ due to the back of the head shots, but that's just me. A headbutt is a headbutt regardless of how it happens and they're illegal and should be treated as such, otherwise may as well legalize them 😈
 
They're a contributing factor in some cases, but the combination of framing of the forearm across the chin, the back of the head taking the contact. Sometimes just the force or landing on the head wrong is enough to sleep someone. Other's can take some crazy slams and recover such as Fedor against Randleman. You get slams like when Vinc Pinchel got slammed there was 0 headbutt involved. Tonight's one I believe had a headbutt similar to Rampages and like rampages, I think it helped contribute but it wasn't the decider, I do think under video review these finishes could be DQs or NCs depending if the headbutts are intentional or not however that would damage marketing ability.
I've always hated the Randleplex being brought up in these conversations. Fedor is a master of Sambo, he knows how to break a fall.

It's still crazy to witness, but he's one of the few people who would know how to and be able to try and mitigate it like he did.
 
didn't look like it was last night. but man, that was brutal anyway.
 
Gerald Harris has a technique and has utitlized it multiple times in his career with the forearm across the face. Leavitt used the same technique against Wiman.
Hughes on Newton's was just him getting slammed.Rose got slammed on her head against Andrade.
There were two one night with armbars. Brundage was one of them and that was just the opponents getting slammed on the sides of their heads.

There's plenty non-headbutt ones but the one last night and Rampage's on Arona were definitely headbutts.
 
I've always hated the Randleplex being brought up in these conversations. Fedor is a master of Sambo, he knows how to break a fall.

It's still crazy to witness, but he's one of the few people who would know how to and be able to try and mitigate it like he did.
I've competed in bjj, judo and Sambo, trust me brother, when someone Randleplex's you, ain't no variation of a breakfall technique going to save you. He was literally spiked on his head.

Ask the guy from yesterday how his or Arona a black belt in BJJ how their breakfall attempts went while being slammed attempting their triangles. Yes break falls work not just in martial arts but in various sports and real life scenarios, but when someone is putting force, controlling head or neck position and slamming you with lethal intent, well maybe letting go is a better option than holding on
 
I thought Smith had killed the dude. He looked like he landed on his neck more than the mid/upper back.
 
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