Alien Trilogy vs. Terminator Trilogy

[TheRuthlessOne]

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That one line was supposed to explain a plot convenience?

It wasn't larger 'larva' within the body, or a larger chestburster.

Why couldn't the dog chestburster have been a queen?

Because it wasn't

The queen was inside Ripley

They even take that idea and expand on it in Alien Ressurection

If an normal Alien in Alien takes let's say 1 day to burst

Having a queen take 2 or 3 days is fine

 

[BB in Crazy!!!!]

'Alien' showed it taking hours, maybe a day, after the facehugger attaches, an hour or two after the victim regains conciousness.

Ripley was conscious and walking around for DAYS.


That one line was supposed to explain a plot convenience?

It wasn't larger 'larva' within the body, or a larger chestburster.

Why couldn't the dog chestburster have been a queen?






Damn unforgivable.

And it was a royal 'Fuck You' to James Cameron because Fox wanted him to come back and write & direct Alien3 as soon as he was done with T2, and he turned it down.

Not having guns made it more interesting. More in line with the original, and made it a far bigger threat solo.

The days to chest burst was bad writing and killing off Hicks and Newts still pisses me off.

 

[I'm Shawn Spencer]

Terminator just had so much more going on, story wise.

AI becomes self aware, destroys humanity. Time travel to the past. A love story. Reese not even realizing he was John's father. Can we prevent the war against machines or is it inevitable? Humans constructing the tools of their own demise. etc.

The Alien flicks have a scary penis monster, then a bunch of monsters and a really fun squad of marines, then a dog monster. That's about it.

 

[LEWIS540]

A1>T1>T2>A2>A3>T3

 

[bubbleboyjones]

A1>T1>T2>A2>A3>T3

Agree with this 100% percent but this will be a minority opinion.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Because it wasn't

No shit, because of plot convenience.

The queen was inside Ripley

This was supposed to be in response to what point I made? I quote your points individually, do me the same favor.

They even take that idea and expand on it in Alien Ressurection

Same as above. What point?

If an normal Alien in Alien takes let's say 1 day to burst

Having a queen take 2 or 3 days is fine

No, because any xenomorph can evolve to become a queen, when one is not present.

 

[MicroBrew]

T1 or T2 by themselves are better than all Alien films combined.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Terminator 1 puts t series over.

If ed furlong would have lost some weight off his fat drunk ass for part 3 I think it would be an easy choice. As it is, it's close.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I think I like The Terminator more than the original Alien even though they're both classics. I think I like Aliens slightly more than T2. Alien 3 is not particularly good but it's interesting- sort of contextually interesting in that it's one of my all-time favorite directors first big movie. I'm pretty sure he got railroaded by the studio or something and it's not the film he envisioned but there's some memorable stuff in there though it's not a good movie.

Terminator 3 is not particularly good but it's not particularly interesting either. It's got some fun moments but there felt like there was no weight there. Just humor, in-jokes, nostalgia and a couple of big action setpieces.

Maybe Terminator trilogy by a hair. Factor in the later movies and I'd say the gap goes a bit wider in Alien's favor because, in my view, the flawed Prometheus and the dumb but diverting Covenant are better than the dull as dish water Salvation and the utterly bad Genisys.

Salvation gets too much hate. It wasn't great, and it it didn't take the series back in the right direction, but it just wasn't terrible for me. Just bad.

Genesys was inexcusable. Should have been shitcanned and put into turn-around as soon as somebody that really mattered saw what it was. The public should not have seen it. Period. Any other opinion comes from somebody who like a sucking farts out of azzholes.

Prometheus was better than salvation or genesys, even though hollyweird and Ridley went full retard not using the great material they set up. Fkn unbelievable. The sequel to Prometheus could have been an Oscar caliber movie, creating a whole
galactic origin of life story/universe that could have been the most interesting sci-fi in 50 years.. But instead they sharted out another basic alien movie. Pathetic.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Terminator 1 puts t series over.

If ed furlong would have lost some weight off his fat drunk ass for part 3 I think it would be an easy choice. As it is, it's close.

I don't think anybody in the role of John Connor would have saved T3. The problem was the script. I don't know how any actor could have possibly turned the role, as written, into something other than a damsel in distress.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I don't think anybody in the role of John Connor would have saved T3. The problem was the script. I don't know how any actor could have possibly turned the role, as written, into something other than a damsel in distress.

They would have changed it up. The girl power angle would have (hopefully) been downplayed. It wasn't a very good movie, and fueling would not have put it in on par with the first 2, but it would have gone from a C- to a B-.

 

[BisexualMMA]

They would have changed it up. The girl power angle would have (hopefully) been downplayed. It wasn't a very good movie, and fueling would not have put it in on par with the first 2, but it would have gone from a C- to a B-.

Maybe. Jonathan Mostow's directorial choices were bad. He filmed a mechanical, dark, claustrophobic movie on a submarine with U-571, but the second he wasn't trapped in the submarine, he filmed a Terminator movie in the daytime with luscious green parks and spacious motorhomes. College road trip, guys!

T1:

T3:

Even the graveyard looked like a park instead of a graveyard.

That's how you would shoot a graveyard in an episode of Malcolm in the Middle or Diff'rent Strokes. Really ominous and morbid with like fifteen gravestones in half a square mile. And what a beautiful day.

It's like half the movie was shot in whatever way was the least work for everyone. These three characters are on the run from a killer robot, the tension, the pressure. Yeah, but it's real easy to set up cameras in a motorhome guys.

A graveyard, the tension, the death! Yeah, but it's kind of hard to block out a scene where the SWAT guys have to run around all those tightly packed gravestones, how about we just go to this new graveyard where no plots have been sold yet. And setting up lights at night is a lot of work, ain't nobody got time fo dat, let's shoot this thing in daylight.

Remember that this crack team actually wrote and filmed "Master Sgt. William Candy." By the time you're even thinking about a scene like that, the whole thing is fucked.

I think Nick Stahl is one reason the movie wasn't even worse.

But anyway, I'd give your alternate universe Furlong T3 a watch.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Why compare the first three of each instead of the first two of each? The third of each sucks.

 

[toaa]

Only the first two movies of each matter and they're damn close. All four are basically 10/10. Alien 3 is decent whereas every following Terminator movie is pretty rough. Then again all the following Alien and AVP movies are abysmal too. Tough choice, abstain for now.

 

[squeakymcgill]

Terminator...but only because T2 is so good.

 

[TrueBias]

Because it wasn't

The queen was inside Ripley

They even take that idea and expand on it in Alien Ressurection

If an normal Alien in Alien takes let's say 1 day to burst

Having a queen take 2 or 3 days is fine

Im one of the chaps that will always say Alien 3 >>>> Alien Resurrection, but her having a chest burster was just poor writing, even if there is a need for convenience.

-Ripley destroyed the hatchery and the means for the Queen to make eggs. This is important because of the backdrop Cameron made a point to not only focus on during the Grenade launching, but he also showed the queen disconnecting from it. Its an important detail.

-Next, there are complications for the unveiling of ripleys surprise. There is already a face hugger that multiplies with the dog. How does Ripley become impregnated? 2 eggs? That had to be the best explanation because at no point have we seen a face hugger planting 2 bursters. A third option is that a face hugger came with the queen onto the sulaco. Thats actually more feasible because i can picture a queen mimicking a scorpions mother carrying all her babies on her back and our queen just escaped her hatchery.

-and of course, the time it takes to come out is increased, just to support the plot. It sucks.

However, i still chose Alien trilogy because though alien 3 is flawed, it still plays it straight, albeit fucking depressing. T3 on the other hand has got too many ridiculous moments. ....though id prefer t3 over aliens 4.

 

[JBSchroeds]

Alien. T1+2 are about the same as Alien + Aliens IMO, but Alien 3 is better than T3. If you are allowed to use the Assembly Cut instead of the Theatrical Cut for Alien 3 then it's not even close.

 

[Brandon Wilson]

I'm in the minority for sure, but I actually liked T3. And IMO it was much better than Alien 3.

That being said, the first 2 movies are the bread and butter of these franchises, and if I'm only counting those 2, I'd give a slight edge to Terminator, but it's damn close.

 

[ufcfan4]

Salvation gets too much hate. It wasn't great, and it it didn't take the series back in the right direction, but it just wasn't terrible for me. Just bad.

Genesys was inexcusable. Should have been shitcanned and put into turn-around as soon as somebody that really mattered saw what it was. The public should not have seen it. Period. Any other opinion comes from somebody who like a sucking farts out of azzholes.

Prometheus was better than salvation or genesys, even though hollyweird and Ridley went full retard not using the great material they set up. Fkn unbelievable. The sequel to Prometheus could have been an Oscar caliber movie, creating a whole
galactic origin of life story/universe that could have been the most interesting sci-fi in 50 years.. But instead they sharted out another basic alien movie. Pathetic.

Well said, man.

As I've said, I've seen way worse movies than Salvation. It's not terrible. I don't know if I'd even call it outright bad. But it's dull. It's lethargic. And sometimes that can be even more of a death sentence than taking a swing and a miss. To me, that film reeks of mediocrity. It's neither here nor there- not bad enough to elicit a reaction of dread or derision, not good enough to get you talking about it after you've watched it.

That's why I think I like Prometheus and Covenant better. The lows and dumb moments of those films are probably worse than the worst elements of Salvation, but the highs are also higher. So I'm willing to take the bad and appreciate the solid parts at least- some of the visuals, the performances by Fassebender, some of the action sequences.

 

[ufcfan4]

And @Amerikuracana

it was so weird- it was like they really wanted to expand the mythos with Prometheus but then abandoned all the thought-provoking questions and ambiguities, probably because they couldn't think of how to resolve them in an effective way. As you said, Covenant does not deliver on what Prometheus started to hint at. It's just a dumb, moderately entertaining Alien film.