Television ALIEN: EARTH (Renewed for Season 2)

[Halifax]

So, now that we know the crash was intentional and caused by Boy Genius's turncoat, it makes me wonder if he did something to Wendy specifically to prepare her to interact with the xenos.

Hes basically Burke from Aliens now.

 

[Loiosh]

The Asian was never called a synthetic. He's a creepy human

The entire point is only losers , weirdo's and sociopaths go on a 65 year mission and you don't get intelligent balanced crew

The Earth is ruled by five corporations and this project is enormously important to one of them. Considering the billions of people on the planet and the resources available to the mega corporations, it isn't reasonable to assume they couldn't find better people. A relativistic 65-year mission where you return a young multi-millionaire would find good people.

I'm tired of all the criticisms this show is getting because I'm absolutely loving it but these people should be more professional. Too much is at stake, and they CAUGHT all these things in the first place.

 

[Osculater]

Why is it that so many modern series include a flashback episode in the middle? At least this one did it better than, say, the Last of Us.

Eyeball alien is great. So are his friends. People who hate on eyeball alien reveal more about themselves than they do eyeball alien.

Series should really should have done a better job explaining the difference between robots, synths, androids, Asian pilots, Peter Pan kids, and what have you. I don't get it at all. Big downside.

I thought they explained it in the intro in episode 1.
Cyborg are half human and half machine kind of like Robocop.
The synths are androids.
The Neverland hybrid kids are synths with downloaded consciousness of the former living person that their consciousness was uploaded

 

[ezikel315]

The Earth is ruled by five corporations and this project is enormously important to one of them. Considering the billions of people on the planet and the resources available to the mega corporations, it isn't reasonable to assume they couldn't find better people. A relativistic 65-year mission where you return a young multi-millionaire would find good people.

I'm tired of all the criticisms this show is getting because I'm absolutely loving it but these people should be more professional. Too much is at stake, and they CAUGHT all these things in the first place.

It's the absolute idiocy in which these people operate that gets me. The fact they were able to catch these things is a complete mystery. It must've been a bloodbath. Yet despite losing people, they still continue to be idiots on the ship.

Or they were caught these things with proper protocols, but decided to turn off their brains once they got on the ship.

Still none of that explains how Yutani gave them such shit equipment for a project that is so important for them. Sure you can say the crew is expendable, but you really want things to be so lax that these creatures are running around free in the ship when it lands on earth? The fact they deliberately sent out on a 65 year mission to look for them means they had some idea of what they're trying to retrieve. The containment room should be in a separate wing of the ship that can be quarantined off instead being connected to a regular hallway.

It's just poor writing. They couldn't think of a better way for the creatures to escape without the characters being total retards. I can think of one right now: have the saboteur guy release them. Or maybe they get free during a shootout between the cyborg and saboteur. That makes a lot more sense already than the science officer and doctor being idiots.

It may seem like I'm hating on the show but I actually am enjoying it and just wishing it was better because I like the alien ip so much.

 

[Loiosh]

It's the absolute idiocy in which these people operate that gets me. The fact they were able to catch these things is a complete mystery. It must've been a bloodbath. Yet despite losing people, they still continue to be idiots on the ship.

Or they were caught these things with proper protocols, but decided to turn off their brains once they got on the ship.

Still none of that explains how Yutani gave them such shit equipment for a project that is so important for them. Sure you can say the crew is expendable, but you really want things to be so lax that these creatures are running around free in the ship when it lands on earth? The fact they deliberately sent out on a 65 year mission to look for them means they had some idea of what they're trying to retrieve. The containment room should be in a separate wing of the ship that can be quarantined off instead being connected to a regular hallway.

It's just poor writing. They couldn't think of a better way for the creatures to escape without the characters being total retards. I can think of one right now: have the saboteur guy release them. Or maybe they get free during a shootout between the cyborg and saboteur. That makes a lot more sense already than the science officer and doctor being idiots.

It may seem like I'm hating on the show but I actually am enjoying it and just wishing it was better because I like the alien ip so much.

I'm still loving the show.

 

[WhiteMousse]

Okay SO. Guy walks into the bar, right? Says I need a diagnosis. Bartender says you're gone in three months. Guy says I wanna second opinion. Bartender says okay you're ugly too

 

[Halifax]

The Earth is ruled by five corporations and this project is enormously important to one of them. Considering the billions of people on the planet and the resources available to the mega corporations, it isn't reasonable to assume they couldn't find better people. A relativistic 65-year mission where you return a young multi-millionaire would find good people.

I'm tired of all the criticisms this show is getting because I'm absolutely loving it but these people should be more professional. Too much is at stake, and they CAUGHT all these things in the first place.

People with the skills and intellect generally have successful jobs or home lives. This mission appeals specifically to people who don't give a shit if everyone in their current life dies to start a new life in 65 years because it will bring money and a better life.

In short, it would attract all manner of selfish self absorbed folks and toilet cleaners who couldn't make a life with what they had. As evidenced by the fact that most of them are portrayed as numbskulls and half assed wannabes in their fields except the security officer.

No food or drink in the lab is a rule followed by serious lab techs. But broken by half assed folks regularly.

The corporation who sent a crew to the far reaches of space looking for any and all life forms for study didn't likely know yet what they would be bringing home and just sent expendable dead weight willing to do it, except probably a professional captain and security officer. It was a scattershot mission. Probably one of many.

Mr Teng is probably a sex offender who had no good options but to start over.

The doctor was arguing that he is sober and not stealing drugs. Indicating he was probably doing just that and lost his license. Feels like a callback to alien 3 where the doctor lost his license and stayed on the prison planet after his sentence


The kid was barely qualified to be an engineer assistant.

These folks were meant to be portrayed as i mentioned above

 

[Loiosh]

People with the skills and intellect generally have successful jobs or home lives. This mission appeals specifically to people who don't give a shit if everyone in their current life dies to start a new life in 65 years because it will bring money and a better life.

In short, it would attract all manner of selfish self absorbed folks and toilet cleaners who couldn't make a life with what they had. As evidenced by the fact that most of them are portrayed as numbskulls and half assed wannabes in their fields except the security officer.

No food or drink in the lab is a rule followed by serious lab techs. But broken by half assed folks regularly.

The corporation who sent a crew to the far reaches of space looking for any and all life forms for study didn't likely know yet what they would be bringing home and just sent expendable dead weight willing to do it, except probably a professional captain and security officer. It was a scattershot mission. Probably one of many.

Mr Teng is probably a sex offender who had no good options but to start over.

The doctor was arguing that he is sober and not stealing drugs. Indicating he was probably doing just that and lost his license. Feels like a callback to alien 3 where the doctor lost his license and stayed on the prison planet after his sentence


The kid was barely qualified to be an engineer assistant.

These folks were meant to be portrayed as i mentioned above

I don't buy that a scattershot mission collected five unique deadly species.

I love this show, please stop making me pull at this thread.

 

[Bob Gray]

I'm still loving the show.

Same boat. Im not gonna defend every single decision or say that there are numerous things and developments that I dont care for. But, geez, perfection shouldn't be the bar. Theres tons of neat ideas in the show and the way that its fleshing out the world is really interesting to me. Its like injecting a tiny bit of Blade Runner into the Alien series, which im completely fine with.

It's sort of like I mentioned before with the scene where Wendy kills the Xeno. I think that was overall kind of clumsily handled, but I can allow it because when it grabbed her it was a legit "Oh, fuck" moment, and those are hard to come by. I can forgive a few weak threads here and there I get some big moments and ideas, which this show is delivering on, Imo.

Also, how many times has a show run for several seasons and everyone says its the latter seasons that make the show? Or to "Just stick with it for a bit and itll pay off". Watching GoT season 1 is a very far cry from what the show became.

Hawley says he thinks he can do 5 seasons. Im super interested in what he has planned and, like many shows, I think it'll improve as time goes on.

 

[Loiosh]

Same boat. Im not gonna defend every single decision or say that there are numerous things and developments that I dont care for. But, geez, perfection shouldn't be the bar. Theres tons of neat ideas in the show and the way that its fleshing out the world is really interesting to me. Its like injecting a tiny bit of Blade Runner into the Alien series, which im completely fine with.

It's sort of like I mentioned before with the scene where Wendy kills the Xeno. I think that was overall kind of clumsily handled, but I can allow it because when it grabbed her it was a legit "Oh, fuck" moment, and those are hard to come by. I can forgive a few weak threads here and there I get some big moments and ideas, which this show is delivering on, Imo.

Also, how many times has a show run for several seasons and everyone says its the latter seasons that make the show? Or to "Just stick with it for a bit and itll pay off". Watching GoT season 1 is a very far cry from what the show became.

Hawley says he thinks he can do 5 seasons. Im super interested in what he has planned and, like many shows, I think it'll improve as time goes on.

I have enormous confidence in Hawley.

I'm one of the few people who loved Legion but I never thought anyone could pull it off, and he did. In my opinion.

 

[bandicoot]

Hold up, this show isn't perfect?

Why would I watch some imperfect trash?

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Same boat. Im not gonna defend every single decision or say that there are numerous things and developments that I dont care for. But, geez, perfection shouldn't be the bar. Theres tons of neat ideas in the show and the way that its fleshing out the world is really interesting to me. Its like injecting a tiny bit of Blade Runner into the Alien series, which im completely fine with.

It's sort of like I mentioned before with the scene where Wendy kills the Xeno. I think that was overall kind of clumsily handled, but I can allow it because when it grabbed her it was a legit "Oh, fuck" moment, and those are hard to come by. I can forgive a few weak threads here and there I get some big moments and ideas, which this show is delivering on, Imo.

Also, how many times has a show run for several seasons and everyone says its the latter seasons that make the show? Or to "Just stick with it for a bit and itll pay off". Watching GoT season 1 is a very far cry from what the show became.

Hawley says he thinks he can do 5 seasons. Im super interested in what he has planned and, like many shows, I think it'll improve as time goes on.

I’m interested too, and enjoying the show - but the standard they have to live up to is the first alien film… or the second.

They almost got there in the first two episodes. So the slide is harder to bare.

 

[Bob Gray]

I’m interested too, and enjoying the show - but the standard they have to live up to is the first alien film… or the second.

They almost got there in the first two episodes. So the slide is harder to bare.

I dont really view it the same way. The first two movies are classics, and I dont need this show to be an all time classic to enjoy it. I love the first two movies, but id be overjoyed if the show were simply a 7, which i think it easily is, if not more.

Ultimately using movies that are all time classics as a litmus test for quality can only result in disappointment. Even movies like those turning out as good as they did has a certain amount of luck involved. The initial pitches and ideas for the original Alien could have easily resulted in Corman level schlock, but it defied the odds. So I cant really expect other material in the same IP to just meet a standard of lightning in a bottle.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

I dont really view it the same way. The first two movies are classics, and I dont need this show to be an all time classic to enjoy it. I love the first two movies, but id be overjoyed if the show were simply a 7, which i think it easily is, if not more.

Ultimately using movies that are all time classics as a litmus test for quality can only result in disappointment. Even movies like those turning out as good as they did has a certain amount of luck involved. The initial pitches and ideas for the original Alien could have easily resulted in Corman level schlock, but it defied the odds. So I cant really expect other material in the same IP to just meet a standard of lightning in a bottle.

I mean, it isn't just "not lightning in a bottle" - it isn't holding up to basic elementary logic. If it wants to stand out then it should meet the high standards the series set, but it isn't just "not doing that" - it's going down the Alien Covenant route. Every little "hey wait, that was dumb" takes me out of the story. I'm happy for you that you can still enjoy it. That's a gift.

As I said I more or less like it too... but they are losing me.

 

[Halifax]

I don't buy that a scattershot mission collected five unique deadly species.

I love this show, please stop making me pull at this thread.

I'm loving this show too. Which is why I keep discussing it. I don't even understand your issue there lol

Also the show creator specifies on some of these things. He flat out says they didn't send the A team up there because there is no A team that volunteers for this shit. He mentions the flaws of the idiosyncratic lab tech, drug addicted doctor, and stupid folks and a fuy like Morrow who grew up in abject poverty with disabilities.

He said it was a deep space exploration mission to obtain several different specimens of extraterrestrial life.

That's likely a broad spectrum sweep of M class planets looking for any and all specimens

 

[Halifax]

I mean, it isn't just "not lightning in a bottle" - it isn't holding up to basic elementary logic. If it wants to stand out then it should meet the high standards the series set, but it isn't just "not doing that" - it's going down the Alien Covenant route. Every little "hey wait, that was dumb" takes me out of the story. I'm happy for you that you can still enjoy it. That's a gift.

As I said I more or less like it too... but they are losing me.

I think that is where we deviate. I enjoyed covenant and outlined why romulus was total shit to me

I finally saw the Alien 3 assembly cut. That extra 30 minutes changed everything and I like that movie a lot more now

 

[shunyata]

I'm still loving the show.

I'm having fun with it, even if it is becoming R rated Jurassic Park with Peter Pan window dressing.

People being greedy, lazy, and loaded with hubris seems par for the course on the overall IP.

If this does well maybe hbo or fx will bring back Raised by Wolves.

 

[cblitz]

I'm going to check this out now that it is up on my streaming site.

 

[Halifax]

Yeah that bothered me a lot. Simple unscrewing lets aliens out and used Mountain Dew bottles. Also is that Dr retarded?

Well, he's a confessed recovered drug addict. Its not like they got the cream of the crop to volunteer for a 65 year mission.

Teng is a fucking sex offender probably working off his sentence lol. He lowkey admitted he found a way to get chick out of cryo to bang her without security being alerted and that he is likely the one who stole the drugs from the infirmary to keep her sedate once he took her out of cryo.

That's why he knew it was possible the suspect security was looking for was not one of the known awake crew.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

Well, he's a confessed recovered drug addict. Its not like they got the cream of the crop to volunteer for a 65 year mission.

Teng is a fucking sex offender probably working off his sentence lol. He lowkey admitted he found a way to get chick out of cryo to bang her without security being alerted and that he is likely the one who stole the drugs from the infirmary to keep her sedate once he took her out of cryo.

That's why he knew it was possible the suspect security was looking for was not one of the known awake crew.

Fuck and black beard said he even knew the Asian pervert “did his filth” so he may even have been AWARE he was raping the chick and wasn’t stopping him. Jesus Christ