Television ALIEN: EARTH (Premieres August 12, 2025)

[Aegon Spengler]

Are the hybrids really the embodied consciousness of the kids… or are they just AI, that are running around with dead kids narratives?

I don’t believe in the singularity, as I lean more towards the ancient Vedic/neo platonic viewpoint that matter emerges from mind or consciousness, is just an appearance as such. lol, which these days is gaining more ground as materialism is kind of losing its dominant grip, worldview wise.

The hard problem of consciousness kinda reveals itself in the show, but pretty sure in this story it really is the consciousness of the kids.

You ever listened to Joscha Bach on consciousness? I like his stuff.

I feel like the hybrids are stand-ins for a Frankenstien's monster type deal, they have the mind of children but are in bodies capable of tremendous damage

 

[shunyata]

Are the hybrids really the embodied consciousness of the kids… or are they just AI, that are running around with dead kids narratives?

I don’t believe in the singularity, as I lean more towards the ancient Vedic/neo platonic viewpoint that matter emerges from mind or consciousness, is just an appearance as such. lol, which these days is gaining more ground as materialism is kind of losing its dominant grip, worldview wise.

The hard problem of consciousness kinda reveals itself in the show, but pretty sure in this story it really is the consciousness of the kids.

In my opinion they are pure machine with an AI based on a copy of the dying kid's mind. But I might have a bit of bias in these matters. In altered carbon I thought it was cloned brains all the way down every time they body swapped and the characters died for real each time a copy of their mind was put in a new body.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

In my opinion they are pure machine with an AI based on a copy of the dying kid's mind. But I might have a bit of bias in these matters. In altered carbon I thought it was cloned brains all the way down every time they body swapped and the characters died for real each time a copy of their mind was put in a new body.

Oh damn I never even considered that. I loved that show. Well

I loved season 1

 

[shunyata]

Oh damn I never even considered that. I loved that show. Well

I loved season 1

The Prestige warped the way I look at anything with teleportation or consciousness transferring.

Realistically, if we could ever pull that off with any technology it's a clone and you die. Then the clone thinks it's you. But you dead for real.

The terminal kids uploaded to synths are the man in the box. It could only ever be a clone of them. Consciousness can't be moved between bodies only copied and uploaded.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

The Prestige warped the way I look at anything with teleportation or consciousness transferring.

Realistically, if we could ever pull that off with any technology it's a clone and you die. Then the clone thinks it's you. But you dead for real.

The terminal kids uploaded to synths are the man in the box. It could only ever be a clone of them. Consciousness can't be moved between bodies only copied and uploaded.

What about the old school, pick a physical brain out of your body and put in a new body, type deal, how do you feel about that?

 

[shunyata]

What about the old school, pick a physical brain out of your body and put in a new body, type deal, how do you feel about that?

I think that's the only way we could pull off consciousness transfer.

 

[MDoza]

You ever listened to Joscha Bach on consciousness? I like his stuff.

I feel like the hybrids are stand-ins for a Frankenstien's monster type deal, they have the mind of children but are in bodies capable of tremendous damage

You’re giving the writers way too much credit and thinking into it too much. The hybrids are simply a cheap writing device. It allows the writers to get away with virtually anything.

Previous Alien movies are held back by supposed-to-be-smart scientists doing the dumbest things, and 100 lb women somehow surviving fights against the ultimate killing machine.

By making the hybrids only able to have children’s minds, it gives them an excuse to do the dumb things, but also allows them to display superhuman intelligence and physical abilities whenever the plot demands it, sidestepping the unbelievable aspects of the human characters in previous Alien installments.

If they used it cleverly and sparingly, it would have been a good idea, but they have been ham fisted with it.

 

[Aegon Spengler]

You’re giving the writers way too much credit and thinking into it too much. The hybrids are simply a cheap writing device. It allows the writers to get away with virtually anything.

Previous Alien movies are held back by supposed-to-be-smart scientists doing the dumbest things, and 100 lb women somehow surviving fights against the ultimate killing machine.

By making the hybrids only able to have children’s minds, it gives them an excuse to do the dumb things, but also allows them to display superhuman intelligence and physical abilities whenever the plot demands it, sidestepping the unbelievable aspects of the human characters in previous Alien installments.

If they used it cleverly and sparingly, it would have been a good idea, but they have been ham fisted with it.

I think we should at least let the series play out before we go too far in denouncing it

But you know what I do kind of see it your way at the moment

 

[MDoza]

I think we should at least let the series play out before we go too far in denouncing it

But you know what I do kind of see it your way at the moment

It was evident in episode one what the point of limiting the hybrids to only having children’s minds. They hand wave it away “oh adults would be too unstable”, or whatever, but they just needed an excuse to justify having characters that were capable of literally anything whenever the plot needed it, whether it be displays of stupidity or feats of strength/speed/aim/whatever is needed to fight an alien.

At the time I thought.. huh, not a bad way around the issue, let’s see if it’s brilliant writing or lazy writing. Turns out they have abused it and it’s just lazy writing.

 

[JBSchroeds]

I finally figured out why Morrow's actor was familiar: he played the bad guy in the second half of Into The Badlands.

 

[shunyata]

I finally figured out why Morrow's actor was familiar: he played the bad guy in the second half of Into The Badlands.

Oh snap, he was the preacher / prophet or whatever?

 

[JBSchroeds]

My initial reaction to that episode is a big fat thumbs down. Among my biggest issues with it:

Spoiler

How was the chestburster tracked and caught so damn easily? The whole series people have been avoiding security like it was nonexistent, and they somehow find a single 'snake' on an entire damn island? Bullshit. And a huge waste of dramatic tension, having a second xeno on the loose.

Also, Xenos in broad daylight...weird.

 

[Protectandserve]

My initial reaction to that episode is a big fat thumbs down. Among my biggest issues with it:

Spoiler

How was the chestburster tracked and caught so damn easily? The whole series people have been avoiding security like it was nonexistent, and they somehow find a single 'snake' on an entire damn island? Bullshit. And a huge waste of dramatic tension, having a second xeno on the loose.

Also, Xenos in broad daylight...weird.

The xenomorph costume was pretty bad in this. Seeing it out in the open in broad daylight definitely exposed some costuming shortcomings

 

[Aegon Spengler]

My initial reaction to that episode is a big fat thumbs down. Among my biggest issues with it:

Spoiler

How was the chestburster tracked and caught so damn easily? The whole series people have been avoiding security like it was nonexistent, and they somehow find a single 'snake' on an entire damn island? Bullshit. And a huge waste of dramatic tension, having a second xeno on the loose.

Also, Xenos in broad daylight...weird.

That was really my only issue with the episode. I thought this one was pretty good. Although they really don’t have very good security

 

[deviake]

My initial reaction to that episode is a big fat thumbs down. Among my biggest issues with it:

Spoiler

How was the chestburster tracked and caught so damn easily? The whole series people have been avoiding security like it was nonexistent, and they somehow find a single 'snake' on an entire damn island? Bullshit. And a huge waste of dramatic tension, having a second xeno on the loose.

Also, Xenos in broad daylight...weird.

The xenomorph costume was pretty bad in this. Seeing it out in the open in broad daylight definitely exposed some costuming shortcomings

Yep. The xeno taking out entire squads effortlessly is a little much too.

 

[SuperAlly]

My initial reaction to that episode is a big fat thumbs down. Among my biggest issues with it:

Spoiler

How was the chestburster tracked and caught so damn easily? The whole series people have been avoiding security like it was nonexistent, and they somehow find a single 'snake' on an entire damn island? Bullshit. And a huge waste of dramatic tension, having a second xeno on the loose.

Also, Xenos in broad daylight...weird.

Henry wont stand for this!

You arent allowed to given an honest negative opinion of any modern movie or TV show.

They are all amazing you [insert slur here]-ist!

 

[-Magua-]

Episode had a few holes... still I find story & way things are unfolding, compelling.
Story wise. I like the Peter Pan symbolism… still trying to figure out Hawleys main theme in this. I liked Legion for same reason.

I dig Kirsch & the contrast/similarity tween him & Wendy/Marcy, developing; & his one uppage of Morrow.
Dunno if he's David, or cool beans Bishop... a bit of both I reckon.

Nibs going into full Carrie/Mr. Strawberry mode, yankin out tracheas... lol.
I dig narrative contrasts & symbolic story telling... Interested to see where this seems to be headed.

 

[deviake]

Episode had a few holes... still I find story & way things are unfolding, compelling.
Story wise. I like the Peter Pan symbolism… still trying to figure out Hawleys main theme in this. I liked Legion for same reason.

I dig Kirsch & the contrast/similarity tween him & Wendy/Marcy, developing; & his one uppage of Morrow.
Dunno if he's David, or cool beans Bishop... a bit of both I reckon.

Nibs going into full Carrie/Mr. Strawberry mode, yankin out tracheas... lol.
I dig narrative contrasts & symbolic story telling... Interested to see where this seems to be headed.

Yeah, despite my qualms with the show it definitely keeps me engaged and wanting to know how it concludes

 

[eddymotto]

The Alien franchise runs on corporate hubris: rich assholes who think they’re godlike geniuses, bungling everything they touch, backed by mediocrities chasing their own petty agendas. So… art imitates life.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

After a fantastic start, I'm disliking the show more and more every episode. If you're going to have a super serious tone, you better tighten the story and plug the holes because our viewing standards are also raised higher. The show is not terrible but for me it has settled from great to fairly good/decent.

Hermit is the only "good" character left I'm rooting for (and the eyeball alien). Marcy letting out that Xenomorph to slaughter the staff felt off for me and disproportionate to what she perceived were Prodigy's offenses. Why didn't Marcy try to get the remaining boys for their escape?

Marcy's last dramatic line "What did you do??" was so bad and felt so forced. Acting was fine, it was just the way it was delivered.