ALIEN: COVENANT (First Reactions from World Premiere)

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Fair enough. I won't be spending money on another Alien movie until they prove they can make something watchable. I'll wait for it to hit Netflix.

Bro, Prometheus was more than just watchable. I understand its far from a perfect film, but the film did manage to keep (me) compelled until the very end. Cinematography was really nice to look at, plus, I enjoyed the sound track. Overall it was entertaining.

Want to know what's bad? Alien: Resurrection was bad.
 
Bro, Prometheus was more than just watchable. I understand its far from a perfect film, but the film did manage to keep (me) compelled until the very end. Cinematography was really nice to look at, plus, I enjoyed the sound track. Overall it was entertaining.

Want to know what's bad? Alien: Resurrection was bad.

I think I'm unfairly critical of the Alien franchise because the first movie is so astounding. It's my second favorite film of all time after Jaws. I honestly don't like anything to with Alien after Aliens and even that I put a few dozen notches below the original.

The only part of Prometheus I found even borderline interesting was David, who ironically was the only character in the entire movie that behaved like an actual person. That's been Scott's problem throughout his career and I'd wager every movie he has made with a synthetic lifeform, the synthetic lifeform was the most human character in the film. I mean, for christ's sake, he managed to coax a bad performance out of Idris Elba in Prometheus, which is hard to do. He's just not a very good director of actors. He has composition in an 'every frame is a painting' type of way, but he's never been able to coax believable performances from his actors.

I think he'd really make a better DP than a Director.

Prometheus was a pretty mess with an incoherent script and awful performances all around. The fact you see imbeciles like that guy above claiming 'only dummies don't get it' shows the type of depths people have to sink to, to defend that abomination. Ridley has simply gone to the well too many times with Alien, whether as Director or Producer and needs to just come up with a new idea already. The Alien franchise is starting to feel like Star Wars now, although that comparison does explain the type of fanboy following it's gained (and grown) as the series progressed.

Alien 3 is watchable, but far from good, just because Fincher at least did something a little bit different with the material. But if I want to watch an Alien film, I'll just watch Alien. I don't need a dozen sequels to 'explain' shit that Scott never thought through in the first place (and which were therefore interesting to think about).
 
Whether you want to acknowledge the truth or not, Prometheus breathed life into a dead franchise. The little dumb shit that people worry too much about is greatly outweighed by the universe and atmosphere Prometheus recreated for the Alien franchise.

It was a great franchise reboot. Time will only reinforce that stance.
 
Whether you want to acknowledge the truth or not, Prometheus breathed life into a dead franchise. The little dumb shit that people worry too much about is greatly outweighed by the universe and atmosphere Prometheus recreated for the Alien franchise.

It was a great franchise reboot. Time will only reinforce that stance.
Agreed

The last film will reveal who created the aliens

I enjoyed the reboot but the first will always be best imo

But first are usually best
 
I think I'm unfairly critical of the Alien franchise because the first movie is so astounding. It's my second favorite film of all time after Jaws. I honestly don't like anything to with Alien after Aliens and even that I put a few dozen notches below the original.

The only part of Prometheus I found even borderline interesting was David, who ironically was the only character in the entire movie that behaved like an actual person. That's been Scott's problem throughout his career and I'd wager every movie he has made with a synthetic lifeform, the synthetic lifeform was the most human character in the film. I mean, for christ's sake, he managed to coax a bad performance out of Idris Elba in Prometheus, which is hard to do. He's just not a very good director of actors. He has composition in an 'every frame is a painting' type of way, but he's never been able to coax believable performances from his actors.

I think he'd really make a better DP than a Director.

Prometheus was a pretty mess with an incoherent script and awful performances all around. The fact you see imbeciles like that guy above claiming 'only dummies don't get it' shows the type of depths people have to sink to, to defend that abomination. Ridley has simply gone to the well too many times with Alien, whether as Director or Producer and needs to just come up with a new idea already. The Alien franchise is starting to feel like Star Wars now, although that comparison does explain the type of fanboy following it's gained (and grown) as the series progressed.

Alien 3 is watchable, but far from good, just because Fincher at least did something a little bit different with the material. But if I want to watch an Alien film, I'll just watch Alien. I don't need a dozen sequels to 'explain' shit that Scott never thought through in the first place (and which were therefore interesting to think about).

Hespect, homie. I feel where you're coming from. Prometheus doesn't hold a candle to the first two films that made the Alien into a franchise. A pretty mess is a good way to describe the film.
 
Whether you want to acknowledge the truth or not, Prometheus breathed life into a dead franchise. The little dumb shit that people worry too much about is greatly outweighed by the universe and atmosphere Prometheus recreated for the Alien franchise.

It was a great franchise reboot. Time will only reinforce that stance.

That's your truth. Not THE truth. I don't give a shit about 'universes.' I care about good movies. The best movies are the ones that can stand the test of time alone, with no prequels, seqeuls, remakes, reboots, etc needed.

Alien is a great film. You can walk away from the franchise after Alien and not be missing anything. You don't need to know what the space jockey is and you never did. In fact, it's more interesting when you don't know.

You're making the same argument people make when they defend the Star Wars prequels.
 
COVENANT will correct some mistakes of PROMETHEUS.

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Shaw should have stayed on the Planet, and scavenged for some supplies. I am sure home base will send in a rescue team soon enough.

Once rescue team is there, then they can really plan a way to screw with the Space Jockeys.

There is a 0% chance I would stay on a planet if I had a robot and a ship to leave on when I knew that an Alien and/or a hostile Engineer was on it. Shaw doesn't know if the Engineer survived or if the giant squid survived. If Shaw stayed on the planet, the Deacon would have 100% found her at some point and killed her.
 
I already stated this numerous times in this thread, but I am so ready for Alien Covenant. I do feel like I've seen to much via trailers and could probably tell you exactly how the movie is going to play out ,but I do not care. I think this movie is going set the franchise into full steam ahead for more Alien movies. Hopefully Daniels and Tennessee survive, I can tell I already really like their characters.

One of my biggest issues with Prometheus was, I could have cared less about any of the characters. I honestly wanted some of them to die just because they were annoying and beyond stupid. I can already tell with Covenant that won't happen. I hope I am correct.
 
Prometheus had some interesting things going on, and the concept was fascinating but there was also a lot of stupid stuff that dragged it down for me. So I can still watch it and enjoy it but it was a bit of a let down. Hopefully they start to right that with this one, I am really excited for covenant after watching all the trailers and prologues. Especially the recent one with David quoting Ozymandias, I hope it's not as simplistic as it looks because that would be dumb, but I get the sense there is a fair bit of misdirection with this pre-release stuff. I hope that's the case anyway.
 
Is the Prologue scene with Shaw and David going to be in the actual film and expanded upon?
 
Is the Prologue scene with Shaw and David going to be in the actual film and expanded upon?
Tough to say. It looks obvious that those are scenes that will be in the movie, but I think they were chopped and edited up for that prologue purpose. We might see them as flashbacks. Who knows really. I really hope they keep the story centered around that as much as possible.
 
I think I'm unfairly critical of the Alien franchise because the first movie is so astounding. It's my second favorite film of all time after Jaws. I honestly don't like anything to with Alien after Aliens and even that I put a few dozen notches below the original.

The only part of Prometheus I found even borderline interesting was David, who ironically was the only character in the entire movie that behaved like an actual person. That's been Scott's problem throughout his career and I'd wager every movie he has made with a synthetic lifeform, the synthetic lifeform was the most human character in the film. I mean, for christ's sake, he managed to coax a bad performance out of Idris Elba in Prometheus, which is hard to do. He's just not a very good director of actors. He has composition in an 'every frame is a painting' type of way, but he's never been able to coax believable performances from his actors.

I think he'd really make a better DP than a Director.

Prometheus was a pretty mess with an incoherent script and awful performances all around. The fact you see imbeciles like that guy above claiming 'only dummies don't get it' shows the type of depths people have to sink to, to defend that abomination. Ridley has simply gone to the well too many times with Alien, whether as Director or Producer and needs to just come up with a new idea already. The Alien franchise is starting to feel like Star Wars now, although that comparison does explain the type of fanboy following it's gained (and grown) as the series progressed.

Alien 3 is watchable, but far from good, just because Fincher at least did something a little bit different with the material. But if I want to watch an Alien film, I'll just watch Alien. I don't need a dozen sequels to 'explain' shit that Scott never thought through in the first place (and which were therefore interesting to think about).

Glad to see someone else love Alien more than Aliens. I freaking love that movie.
 
Prometheus had some interesting things going on, and the concept was fascinating but there was also a lot of stupid stuff that dragged it down for me. So I can still watch it and enjoy it but it was a bit of a let down. Hopefully they start to right that with this one, I am really excited for covenant after watching all the trailers and prologues. Especially the recent one with David quoting Ozymandias, I hope it's not as simplistic as it looks because that would be dumb, but I get the sense there is a fair bit of misdirection with this pre-release stuff. I hope that's the case anyway.
Me too. I'm hoping that there's some big twists and all. I'd love to see some actual engineers...

My dream ending would be for the whole goddamn engineer fleet to arrive lighting up the night sky

Ala this in Halo but dark and awe inspiring ambiance



That is if the engineers survive... I hope they do.
 
Great reviews. Can't wait to see this. Not worried about "scary" parts of the movie. The Alien movies were never scary to me to begin with.
 
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