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AI analyzes Jones eye pokes

It would be hilarious if Stipe poke Jones in the eyes.

And I wouldn't blame him. lol
 
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I think that if they gave him deductions for three fouls in the Glover and Smith fights that they'd have called the fight DQ losses for Jones.
 
I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, he is a long rangy guy, and his striking style does lead to his hands being open during exchanges

That being said, if it isn't on accident then that's pretty fucked, especially considering the considerable amount of advantages he naturally has against his competitors
 
The thing you need to consider in this is that Jon Jones would have to change his fighting style if points were deducted. The refs would start warning him for even extending an open palm to the face of his opponent. If the refs actually did their jobs, I think Jon Jones would have lost at least one or two fights in his career.
 
cold_spring_harbor said:
I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, he is a long rangy guy, and his striking style does lead to his hands being open during exchanges

That being said, if it isn't on accident then that's pretty fucked, especially considering the considerable amount of advantages he naturally has against his competitors
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Here Jon admits he does it on purpose while still trying to say it's accidental. Jon tells on himself all the time and this is a classic example

“So, Daniel Cormier is saying before the fight that I’ll end up poking him in the eyes at some point. And the reason why he says that is because I do poke people in the eyes. And it’s very illegal, but I do it.
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“I react to people trying to punch me in the face, by usually sticking my hand out and pushing their face away – Kind of like you see on TV when the big brother’s holding his little brother, and the little brother can’t hit him, right? ‘Cause his arms isn’t, like, long enough or whatnot. And I do that in real fights. So, like, if someone’s coming at me, I’ll just put my hands on their forehead.
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“And a lot of times, they end up missing the punch that was intended for my face. And sometimes, it lands in people’s eyes. And people hate that. They’re like, ‘Jonny, you’re a great, talented fighter. You don’t need to use an illegal tactic to be successful’. I try to tell people it’s not intentional. But now, I’m kind of known for it. And it’s working.”
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"It's very illegal but I do it" - When Jon Jones hilariously admitted to poking his opponents in the eye

For years, Jon Jones has been accused of utilizing eye pokes in his MMA bouts to gain an unfair advantage over his opponents.
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Bobby Boulders said:
I think that if they gave him deductions for three fouls in the Glover and Smith fights that they'd have called the fight DQ losses for Jones.
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The Smith fight could've, maybe should've been a DQ loss. Imo Smith should've taken the DQ and forced Jones to come back and fight clean(er) in the rematch.
 
Post is actually a useful resource for which opponents JJ fouled lol
 
Captain Herb said:
The Smith fight could've, maybe should've been a DQ loss. Imo Smith should've taken the DQ and forced Jones to come back and fight clean(er) in the rematch.
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I understand why Smith didn't wanna do it that way, and, in a sense, admire it (somehow, not a fan of his at all), but you're probably right. Jones deserves consequences for the things he does, and, at least within my own existence, it takes consequences to facilitate real change. In a lot of cases, he has had consequences, but they end up not really having any long term effect on who he is or how he goes about anything. Losing his belt, that would have been forever. Even if the down knee rule was eventually changed, and he was lobbying to have the fight reversed (like he currently is with the Hamill loss) losing the belt would have always been on record, and he'd have never gotten it back. Perhaps something like that would make him mindful to fight clean? Maybe not, though, knowing him
 
Captain Herb said:
The Smith fight could've, maybe should've been a DQ loss. Imo Smith should've taken the DQ and forced Jones to come back and fight clean(er) in the rematch.
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Fighters shouldn't be able to win a title on a DQ; the perverse incentives are quite perverse. Rather, if the champ is DQed the title should be vacated and the winner guaranteed to fight for the vacant title.

Smith not giving in to the perverse incentives was good for the sport and probably good for Smith too as Smith following up by defending against Jones would probably have gone quite badly.
 
Razberry said:
I was curious about how Jones' record would be affected if the referees actually enforced the rules regarding eye pokes and deducted a point for each of them.

So I asked ChatGPT, here are my prompts and the answers.

My question: If you removed a point from Jon Jones every time he poked someone in the eyes, in what matches would that have changed the outcome?

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Jon Jones has been criticized for frequent eye pokes during his MMA career. To evaluate how removing points for eye pokes might have affected the outcomes of his fights, we must examine:

1. **Fights with eye pokes**: Which fights featured eye pokes and whether they were significant enough to warrant point deductions.
2. **Impact of a point deduction**: How a one-point deduction would alter the scoring (assuming the other factors in the fights remain unchanged).

### Key Fights with Eye Pokes
Here are notable examples of Jones being accused of eye pokes, along with their potential impact:

1. **Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson I (UFC 165)**:
- **Occurrence**: Jones was warned for eye pokes during this fight.
- **Original Outcome**: Jones won via unanimous decision (48-47, 48-47, 49-46).
- **Hypothetical Change**: A one-point deduction would have made the scorecards closer. If a 48-47 became 47-47, it could lead to a majority draw. However, with the 49-46 card, Jones might still edge a win.

2. **Jon Jones vs. Glover Teixeira (UFC 172)**:
- **Occurrence**: Jones poked Teixeira in the eye early, with significant complaints about its effect on the fight.
- **Original Outcome**: Jones won via unanimous decision (50-45 on all cards).
- **Hypothetical Change**: A one-point deduction would still leave Jones winning comfortably (49-45).

3. **Jon Jones vs. Daniel Cormier I (UFC 182)**:
- **Occurrence**: Eye pokes occurred but didn’t prompt a deduction.
- **Original Outcome**: Jones won via unanimous decision (49-46 on all cards).
- **Hypothetical Change**: Even with a deduction, Jones likely wins 48-46.

4. **Jon Jones vs. Anthony Smith (UFC 235)**:
- **Occurrence**: Jones poked Smith in the eye, and Smith was clearly affected but continued.
- **Original Outcome**: Jones won via unanimous decision (48-44, 48-44, 48-44) due to earlier point deductions for illegal strikes.
- **Hypothetical Change**: Another deduction might have reduced the margin further but wouldn’t change the result.

5. **Jon Jones vs. Dominick Reyes (UFC 247)**:
- **Occurrence**: Accusations of eye pokes arose during this controversial fight.
- **Original Outcome**: Jones won via unanimous decision (48-47, 48-47, 49-46).
- **Hypothetical Change**: A point deduction could have resulted in a draw (47-47 on two cards) or a Reyes victory on the closest cards.

### Conclusion
The most likely fight to have a different outcome due to a point deduction is **Jones vs. Dominick Reyes (UFC 247)**, where a single-point deduction might have turned the fight into a draw or a victory for Reyes. The Gustafsson fight is another close contender, but Jones' dominance in other rounds may still have secured his win.
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I realized that my initial prompt only removed one point per fight regardless of how many times Jones was on the other side of someones eyelids, so I made a follow up question to see if I could get an answer that factored this in.


My follow up question: In several fights Jones poked eyes several times, as in the Glover fight I think it was as many as three times. I want a point deducted for each eye poke, not one point per fight. One eye poke equals minus one point, one for every poke.

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If we deduct **one point for every single eye poke** that Jon Jones committed during his fights, several outcomes could indeed change. Let’s reevaluate the notable matches with repeated eye pokes.

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### **Reassessed Fights With Multiple Eye Pokes**

#### **Jon Jones vs. Glover Teixeira (UFC 172)**
- **Occurrences**: Jones was warned for at least **three eye pokes** during this fight, which were noticeable and affected Teixeira’s performance.
- **Original Scorecards**: Unanimous decision win for Jones (50-45 across the board).
- **Point Deduction**:
- Deducting **three points** (one for each eye poke) would adjust the scores to **47-45**.
- **New Outcome**: Jones still wins, as the margin is sufficient to secure all rounds.

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#### **Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson I (UFC 165)**
- **Occurrences**: Jones was warned for **multiple eye pokes** (at least two were clear).
- **Original Scorecards**: Jones won via unanimous decision (48-47, 48-47, 49-46).
- **Point Deduction**:
- Deducting **two points** for two eye pokes could turn the 48-47 scores into **46-47**, favoring Gustafsson.
- The 49-46 score would shift to **47-46**, making the fight a **split decision win for Gustafsson**.
- **New Outcome**: Gustafsson wins via split decision.

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#### **Jon Jones vs. Dominick Reyes (UFC 247)**
- **Occurrences**: Reyes and commentators accused Jones of **multiple eye pokes** (at least two visible incidents).
- **Original Scorecards**: Jones won via unanimous decision (48-47, 48-47, 49-46).
- **Point Deduction**:
- Deducting **two points** would change the 48-47 cards to **46-47**, giving Reyes a unanimous decision win.
- **New Outcome**: Dominick Reyes wins via unanimous decision.

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#### **Jon Jones vs. Daniel Cormier I (UFC 182)**
- **Occurrences**: At least **two eye pokes** were observed, and Cormier visibly complained during the fight.
- **Original Scorecards**: Jones won via unanimous decision (49-46 on all cards).
- **Point Deduction**:
- Deducting **two points** would adjust the scores to **47-46**.
- **New Outcome**: Jones still wins narrowly by unanimous decision.

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#### **Jon Jones vs. Anthony Smith (UFC 235)**
- **Occurrences**: Jones committed **two eye pokes**, adding to a pre-existing point deduction for an illegal knee.
- **Original Scorecards**: Jones won via unanimous decision (48-44, 48-44, 48-44).
- **Point Deduction**:
- Deducting **two more points** for eye pokes would adjust the scores to **46-44**.
- **New Outcome**: Jones still wins comfortably due to his dominance in most rounds.

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#### **Jon Jones vs. Rampage Jackson (UFC 135)**
- **Occurrences**: Jones poked Rampage **twice**, disrupting his rhythm and eliciting complaints.
- **Original Scorecards**: Jones won via submission in Round 4.
- **Point Deduction**:
- If points were deducted for these eye pokes before the finish, the outcome of the fight would not change, as Jones won by stoppage.

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### **Summary of Changed Outcomes**
With one point deducted **per eye poke**, these are the likely changes to fight outcomes:

1. **Alexander Gustafsson I (UFC 165)**: Gustafsson wins via split decision.
2. **Dominick Reyes (UFC 247)**: Reyes wins via unanimous decision.

Other fights, like the Glover and Cormier matches, remain Jones victories due to wide scoring margins.
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What's the point of the points deduction if you assume everything after that point would play out the same, with or without the eye poke?

AI isn't smart enough.
 
Looking at points alone for each eye pokes yeah he loses to gus, Reyes and maybe DC

Besides that though the action in the cage would change favoring the opponents since they'd be able to land more shots

Shogun, Rampage and Glover would be completely different fights
 
Captain Herb said:
I think I found the problem with your logic
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You really didn't, unless you're imagining that referees have magical mind-reading powers, where they can call it intentional for anything less than a Three Stooges jab, on the first go-around.

And being indifferent to whether you poke someone's eye is still not the same as intentionally poking.
 
Q: Yo fam imagine what if Stipe, Prime Fedor, Francis Ngannou, Alex Pereira, Prime Stone Cold Steve Austin, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury, Prime Mike Tyson, Tom Aspinall, and Jon Jones walked into a room, who finna walk oot?



Bro, that room would vibrate from all the alpha energy in there. Let’s break this epic scenario down because this is wild.

The Contenders:​

  1. Stipe Miocic: The ultimate MMA heavyweight grinder. Great boxing, cardio for days, and wrestling that can neutralize most.
  2. Prime Fedor Emelianenko: Fast, powerful, and an absolute freak in scrambles. His sambo and striking versatility can handle almost anyone.
  3. Francis Ngannou: "The Predator" has the kind of power that could KO a brick wall. One punch and you're out cold, even if you're Prime Tyson.
  4. Alex Pereira: Probably the most pinpoint accurate striker here. His left hook would send most people to the shadow realm, but his size disadvantage in a heavyweight brawl is tough.
  5. Prime Stone Cold Steve Austin: The Texas Rattlesnake doesn’t fight fair. Expect chair shots, beer cans, and Stunners coming out of nowhere. Pure chaos factor.
  6. Deontay Wilder: That one-punch KO power is unreal. If he touches your chin, it's game over—even for giants like Fury or Ngannou.
  7. Tyson Fury: The Gypsy King has height, reach, movement, and that iron chin. Dude can box for 12 rounds while singing karaoke afterward.
  8. Prime Mike Tyson: The baddest man on the planet. In his prime, Iron Mike was ferocious. Short-range destruction and head movement that made him impossible to hit.
  9. Tom Aspinall: Super well-rounded with speed and slick grappling. He’s one of the most technical MMA heavyweights alive.
  10. Jon Jones: The smartest and most versatile fighter in the room. Wrestling, striking, dirty moves—Jones is built for this kind of chaos.
  1. Early Madness:
    Stone Cold cracks a beer mid-brawl and gets sent to the shadow realm by Tyson, while Pereira gets clapped by Wilder’s right hand. Two down already: Stone Cold and Pereira.
  2. Stipe Makes His Move:
    Stipe, being smart, avoids the chaos early and wrestles Fury down with help from Aspinall. Fury’s size and boxing frustrate them, but eventually, Stipe lands those trademark ground-and-pound shots. Fury’s out. Goodbye, Gypsy King.
  3. The Predator Strikes:
    Ngannou delivers a nuke to Wilder while Wilder is still admiring his own power. Wilder hits the canvas hard. Wilder’s done.
  4. Prime Tyson Gets Mad:
    Tyson and Stipe start scrapping. Tyson’s body shots are vicious, but Stipe weathers the storm with his durability and cardio. Stipe outlasts Tyson, mixing in takedowns to neutralize the KO king. Tyson’s out.
  5. Final Five:
    Stipe, Ngannou, Fedor, Aspinall, and Jones remain.
    • Aspinall and Fedor clash, showcasing grappling mastery. Fedor’s experience overwhelms Aspinall in the scramble, and he locks in an armbar. Aspinall’s out.
    • Ngannou and Stipe go at it for the 100th time in their rivalry. Ngannou lands another nuclear bomb on Stipe, but Stipe somehow survives and keeps coming. However, Ngannou catches him clean again with a massive uppercut. Stipe’s finally out.
  6. Final Three:
    • Fedor and Jones trade grappling exchanges, but Jones uses his reach and elbows to dominate. Eventually, Jones finishes Fedor with vicious ground-and-pound. Fedor’s out.
    • Ngannou vs. Jones showdown.
  7. The Final Clash:
    Jones’s fight IQ reigns supreme. He avoids the death-touch from Ngannou, takes him down, and lands elbows from hell. Ngannou can’t escape the pressure, and Jones gets the W.

The Winner: Jon Jones​

His versatility, fight IQ, and ability to adapt make him the ultimate survivor in this chaotic melee. But honestly? The fans are the real winners here.


Oh man, now we're adding Planet of the Apes into this chaos? This just got wild—literally. A full-grown adult male chimp brings insane strength, agility, and unpredictability. Let’s reimagine this brawl with our primate friend in the mix.

The New Contenders​

Same crew as before, but now with:
  • Adult Male Chimpanzee:
    • Strength: A chimp is ~1.5x stronger than a human of similar size. Its grip strength could crush small bones.
    • Agility: Faster than most fighters, it can leap and swing around like it’s in an MMA jungle gym.
    • Ferocity: Chimps fight dirty—biting, eye-gouging, and going for the throat. No sportsmanship here.

Chimp-Enhanced Chaos Breakdown​

  1. Immediate Madness:
    Stone Cold tries to Stunner the chimp for the pop, but the chimp just yeets him across the room and mauls him. RIP Stone Cold. Meanwhile, Mike Tyson KO's Wilder, and Ngannou knocks Pereira into orbit.
  2. The Chimp Becomes a Target:
    Fury, Stipe, and Aspinall realize the chimp is too wild to ignore. Fury tries to clinch the chimp, but the chimp bites his arm. Aspinall dives for a takedown and traps the chimp temporarily, but it wriggles free. Stipe, being a firefighter IRL, uses his cardio to wear it down, but the chimp climbs on his back and starts clubbing his head.
  3. Tyson sees this and rushes in, throwing bombs at the chimp. Tyson’s punches hurt, but the chimp fights dirty—clawing and biting.
  4. Chimp vs. Ngannou:
    Ngannou isn’t afraid of anything. He steps in and lands a bomb on the chimp, sending it sprawling. But the chimp GETS BACK UP and charges at him with a flying leap. Ngannou catches it mid-air with another punch, ending the chimp’s reign of terror. Chimp eliminated, but barely.
  5. Tyson, hyped from taking out Wilder and fighting the chimp, steps up to Ngannou. It’s a battle of terrifying power. Tyson lands brutal body shots and short hooks, but Ngannou’s size and reach are too much. Ngannou catches Tyson with an uppercut that folds him. Tyson’s out after a legendary showing.
  6. Final Four:
    • Stipe, Jones, Ngannou, and Fedor. The rest of the chaos plays out as before, with Fedor catching Aspinall earlier and Ngannou still getting the better of Stipe in their brutal rivalry.
  7. Final Clash:
    Jon Jones, as usual, outsmarts Ngannou with takedowns and elbows. The chimp may have thrown chaos into the early rounds, but Jones thrives in a technical battle.

Who Walks Out?​

Still Jon Jones, but not before the chimp ensures this room will need serious repairs. The chimp turns the early brawl into sheer madness before succumbing to Ngannou’s power.
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fzoid4454 said:
You really didn't, unless you're imagining that referees have magical mind-reading powers, where they can call it intentional for anything less than a Three Stooges jab, on the first go-around.

And being indifferent to whether you poke someone's eye is still not the same as intentionally poking.
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Except Jon himself admitted he uses eye pokes to his advantage
 
fzoid4454 said:
Except when he says that, he specifically says it's not intentional.

But don't let facts get in your way.
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He admits it and then quickly says but they're not intentional even though he says "it's illegal but I do it and it works"
 
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