aggressiveness in bjj sparring bad???

[fedor4life]

ok, after getting a lot of shit talked to me, it seems like everyone thinks that being aggressive in bjj practice is bad, and that its disrespectful, and that its just "spazzing"...but let me ask you, if u arent aggressive in practice ever, how do u know how to be aggressive, yet controlled, in a competition???...or are bjj competitions full of lazy people moving slowly and no one is aggressive...oh, and i bet u guys are gonna talk a lot more shit to me about this, but seriously, if all u do is practice what i call lazy sparring, than thats what your going to do in a bjj competition...i remember hearing "practice like you play, because you will play like you practice" at some sport practice, and its true, if u spar lazy in class, u will spar lazy in a competition, and if u dont spar lazy in a competition u will not have a good idea how to be controlled and aggressive at the same time...what do u guys think?

 

[TheFoxChokeNKO]

ok, after getting a lot of shit talked to me, it seems like everyone thinks that being aggressive in bjj practice is bad, and that its disrespectful, and that its just "spazzing"...but let me ask you, if u arent aggressive in practice ever, how do u know how to be aggressive, yet controlled, in a competition???...or are bjj competitions full of lazy people moving slowly and no one is aggressive...oh, and i bet u guys are gonna talk a lot more shit to me about this, but seriously, if all u do is practice what i call lazy sparring, than thats what your going to do in a bjj competition...i remember hearing "practice like you play, because you will play like you practice" at some sport practice, and its true, if u spar lazy in class, u will spar lazy in a competition, and if u dont spar lazy in a competition u will not have a good idea how to be controlled and aggressive at the same time...what do u guys think?

There's a fine difference between training and going berserk. It's great that you're aggressive, but it seems you have issues with pride and anger rather than just a problem with being too aggressive. It's one thing to transition from one position to another rapid fire... Another thing to just "bullrush" grapple. Have fun getting submitted.

 

[Rookie]

I think it really depends on the school and your level of experiance. Are you new to BJJ? Do you have a solid technical base or are you trying to muscle your way over everybody? Being aggessive and being the class spazz are two very different things.

If you are experianced, you may want to consider another school if there is one near by. Some schools tend to be more focused on preparing you for tournaments, while others have a more relaxed atmosphere, concentrating on the art over the tournament prep.

 

[fedor4life]

There's a fine difference between training and going berserk. It's great that you're aggressive, but it seems you have issues with pride and anger rather than just a problem with being too aggressive. It's one thing to transition from one position to another rapid fire... Another thing to just "bullrush" grapple. Have fun getting submitted.

i am only angry and proud on the forums buddy...

 

[fedor4life]

ok...i dont know any bjj really, and from now on, im not going to use any wrestling, and i will be calm and not very aggressive, but after i actually get the hang of it i will be aggressive with my bjj technique

 

[thewaterchapter]

ok...i dont know any bjj really, and from now on, im not going to use any wrestling, and i will be calm and not very aggressive, but after i actually get the hang of it i will be aggressive with my bjj technique

ok fedor, this explains it all. now go get a pen and paper out and write these words down.

theres a fine, i mean HUGE, difference between being aggressive and being an asshole whitebelt spaz. the difference lies in experience. if you know BJJ and have mastered a lot of techniques (both sub and positioning), then you can up your aggressiveness a little.. and yes, bring it to a level of competition. but if you dont know shit about BJJ and spaz the hell out, using all your muscle.. then youre only hurting yourself. let me explain even more.

you dont realize that the more muscle you use, the less technique youre using. if this continues, then you simply lose ALL proper elements of that technique. so yea, you might be tapping other white belts now, but in a couple months.. youll stay at the same level, and those white belts will own you. (see wes sims vs frank mir; and yes, youre essentially wes 'the spaz' sims).

so no, its not that BJJ guys are "lazy." the word youre looking for is "smart." theyre absorbing the technique using the least amount of muscle possible... so once the technique is mastered, then, AND ONLY THEN, should you reintroduce your 'muscle' and aggressiveness to the technique. therefore, being an unstoppable force. this is evident, by how most BJJ masters typically opt for cardio over lifting. (you dont need much strength).

so fedor, if youre pissing a lot of people off at class.. then you shouldnt be training BJJ. the absolute WORST new members of BJJ are the guys who spaz out and play tough guy instead of learning the acutal move. i hope this helps man.

basically, just stop the muscleman shit... and take some notes.

 

[infamous mattyd]

I often make the mistake of being too relaxed and non-aggressive when I roll

 

[Greoric]

fedor4life I couldn't agree with you more bud. I got a whole load of shit just for saying as a commetn to some guy about his rolling clip how I would of liked to see a little more intensity.

Intesity in practice is what got me to be able to go longer and harder during matches. Without intenisity grappling would be nothing. It has nothing to do with anger or pride. I don't know how you would ever suppose that. When I show intenisty I am completely emotionless. My only thought during a match or even in practice is, 'If I am going to win I need to pick up the pace.'

 

[thewaterchapter]

fedor4life I couldn't agree with you more bud. I got a whole load of shit just for saying as a commetn to some guy about his rolling clip how I would of liked to see a little more intensity.

Intesity in practice is what got me to be able to go longer and harder during matches. Without intenisity grappling would be nothing. It has nothing to do with anger or pride. I don't know how you would ever suppose that. When I show intenisty I am completely emotionless. My only thought during a match or even in practice is, 'If I am going to win I need to pick up the pace.'

dude youre missing the point. fedor doesnt know shit about BJJ... so why the hell would you ever use 'intensity' if you dont know anything. greoric, i imagine you know what youre doing.. so you can kick it up a notch here and there... but when it comes to starting out, you need to absord every detail you can.

 

[Commissar]

ok, after getting a lot of shit talked to me, it seems like everyone thinks that being aggressive in bjj practice is bad, and that its disrespectful, and that its just "spazzing"...but let me ask you, if u arent aggressive in practice ever, how do u know how to be aggressive, yet controlled, in a competition???...or are bjj competitions full of lazy people moving slowly and no one is aggressive...oh, and i bet u guys are gonna talk a lot more shit to me about this, but seriously, if all u do is practice what i call lazy sparring, than thats what your going to do in a bjj competition...i remember hearing "practice like you play, because you will play like you practice" at some sport practice, and its true, if u spar lazy in class, u will spar lazy in a competition, and if u dont spar lazy in a competition u will not have a good idea how to be controlled and aggressive at the same time...what do u guys think?

What belt level are you?

I'm going to guess you're still a white belt... so don't create terms like 'lazy sparring' when you clearly aren't proficient enough at the sport to even have competed yet.

 

[Diligent]

ok fedor, this explains it all. now go get a pen and paper out and write these words down.

theres a fine, i mean HUGE, difference between being aggressive and being an asshole whitebelt spaz. the difference lies in experience. if you know BJJ and have mastered a lot of techniques (both sub and positioning), then you can up your aggressiveness a little.. and yes, bring it to a level of competition. but if you dont know shit about BJJ and spaz the hell out, using all your muscle.. then youre only hurting yourself. let me explain even more.

you dont realize that the more muscle you use, the less technique youre using. if this continues, then you simply lose ALL proper elements of that technique. so yea, you might be tapping other white belts now, but in a couple months.. youll stay at the same level, and those white belts will own you. (see wes sims vs frank mir; and yes, youre essentially wes 'the spaz' sims).

so no, its not that BJJ guys are "lazy." the word youre looking for is "smart." theyre absorbing the technique using the least amount of muscle possible... so once the technique is mastered, then, AND ONLY THEN, should you reintroduce your 'muscle' and aggressiveness to the technique. therefore, being an unstoppable force. this is evident, by how most BJJ masters typically opt for cardio over lifting. (you dont need much strength).

so fedor, if youre pissing a lot of people off at class.. then you shouldnt be training BJJ. the absolute WORST new members of BJJ are the guys who spaz out and play tough guy instead of learning the acutal move. i hope this helps man.

basically, just stop the muscleman shit... and take some notes.

Wow, I think all white belts with this problem should read this post. Good post, man.

 

[Greoric]

ok fedor, this explains it all. now go get a pen and paper out and write these words down.

theres a fine, i mean HUGE, difference between being aggressive and being an asshole whitebelt spaz. the difference lies in experience. if you know BJJ and have mastered a lot of techniques (both sub and positioning), then you can up your aggressiveness a little.. and yes, bring it to a level of competition. but if you dont know shit about BJJ and spaz the hell out, using all your muscle.. then youre only hurting yourself. let me explain even more.

you dont realize that the more muscle you use, the less technique youre using. if this continues, then you simply lose ALL proper elements of that technique. so yea, you might be tapping other white belts now, but in a couple months.. youll stay at the same level, and those white belts will own you. (see wes sims vs frank mir; and yes, youre essentially wes 'the spaz' sims).

so no, its not that BJJ guys are "lazy." the word youre looking for is "smart." theyre absorbing the technique using the least amount of muscle possible... so once the technique is mastered, then, AND ONLY THEN, should you reintroduce your 'muscle' and aggressiveness to the technique. therefore, being an unstoppable force. this is evident, by how most BJJ masters typically opt for cardio over lifting. (you dont need much strength).

so fedor, if youre pissing a lot of people off at class.. then you shouldnt be training BJJ. the absolute WORST new members of BJJ are the guys who spaz out and play tough guy instead of learning the acutal move. i hope this helps man.

basically, just stop the muscleman shit... and take some notes.

Sorry waterchapter, but i couldn't disagree with you more. Just because you are more intense using more muscle doesn't mean that you can't at the same time still think. And as for the other guys going up while you stay the same couldn't be farther from the truth. I started BJJ during April last year after wrestling season. Yes i admit my ass was handed to me when it came to the submissions, but these guys couldn't handle my intensity after thirty seconds of the pace i was setting for these guys, they were half dead out of breath. A month later the guys whose conditioning had not improved were to put it nicley quick meat for me. I had been doing it for a month and was tapping guys doing BJJ for 6 months and on to even a year. You see what results intensity can bring you when it comes to condtitioning?

Technique is another thing. I know what you are probably going to say that leaves no time for technique, right? Well true if all you do is go live then youre just going to get good at scrambling, and not proficient at the actual submissions. You leave time aside for drilling and technique. The rest of the time you go live you go hard you go intense. Thats the only way youre going to win!

 

[fedor4life]

What belt level are you?

I'm going to guess you're still a white belt... so don't create terms like 'lazy sparring' when you clearly aren't proficient enough at the sport to even have competed yet.

well i made it up in wrestling, did u know that u can spar in other sports????

 

[fedor4life]

Sorry waterchapter, but i couldn't disagree with you more. Just because you are more intense using more muscle doesn't mean that you can't at the same time still think. And as for the other guys going up while you stay the same couldn't be farther from the truth. I started BJJ during April last year after wrestling season. Yes i admit my ass was handed to me when it came to the submissions, but these guys couldn't handle my intensity after thirty seconds of the pace i was setting for these guys, they were half dead out of breath. A month later the guys whose conditioning had not improved were to put it nicley quick meat for me. I had been doing it for a month and was tapping guys doing BJJ for 6 months and on to even a year. You see what results intensity can bring you when it comes to condtitioning?

Technique is another thing. I know what you are probably going to say that leaves no time for technique, right? Well true if all you do is go live then youre just going to get good at scrambling, and not proficient at the actual submissions. You leave time aside for drilling and technique. The rest of the time you go live you go hard you go intense. Thats the only way youre going to win!

this is the main difference between wrestlers and bjj guys...see i have heard of wrestlers being great at bjj, a whole lot actually, but i have never heard of anyon that does bjj then becoming a good wrestler.....hmmmm, does it have something to do with intensity is a good thing...ok, also, if u are using strength, why does that mean that you arent using technique??? wouldnt technique be better if u were strong with it rather than weak?

 

[fedor4life]

Sorry waterchapter, but i couldn't disagree with you more. Just because you are more intense using more muscle doesn't mean that you can't at the same time still think. And as for the other guys going up while you stay the same couldn't be farther from the truth. I started BJJ during April last year after wrestling season. Yes i admit my ass was handed to me when it came to the submissions, but these guys couldn't handle my intensity after thirty seconds of the pace i was setting for these guys, they were half dead out of breath. A month later the guys whose conditioning had not improved were to put it nicley quick meat for me. I had been doing it for a month and was tapping guys doing BJJ for 6 months and on to even a year. You see what results intensity can bring you when it comes to condtitioning?

Technique is another thing. I know what you are probably going to say that leaves no time for technique, right? Well true if all you do is go live then youre just going to get good at scrambling, and not proficient at the actual submissions. You leave time aside for drilling and technique. The rest of the time you go live you go hard you go intense. Thats the only way youre going to win!

owned by a white belt wrestler...but all of your bjj friends back u up tho

 

[thewaterchapter]

Sorry waterchapter, but i couldn't disagree with you more. Just because you are more intense using more muscle doesn't mean that you can't at the same time still think. And as for the other guys going up while you stay the same couldn't be farther from the truth. I started BJJ during April last year after wrestling season. Yes i admit my ass was handed to me when it came to the submissions, but these guys couldn't handle my intensity after thirty seconds of the pace i was setting for these guys, they were half dead out of breath.

ok two things man. first, if youre pissing everyone off at your gym by going way too nutz, then it sounds like you need a new gym.. or that BJJ isnt the sport for you. second... dont make this a wrestling vs BJJ thing. third, well see man. time will tell. ive rolled with brown/black belts who dont even break a sweat and they own me all day long. again, intensity and spazzing are two big differences.

greoric, look at all the BJJ masters.. they find balance between strength and technique (technique is a lot higher on the totem pole than strength). look at all of their fights... theyre relaxed... theyre calm.. and still they have some intensity.... but none of them spaz. if you refute this... then something is wrong.

 

[thewaterchapter]

this is the main difference between wrestlers and bjj guys...see i have heard of wrestlers being great at bjj, a whole lot actually, but i have never heard of anyon that does bjj then becoming a good wrestler.....hmmmm, does it have something to do with intensity is a good thing...ok, also, if u are using strength, why does that mean that you arent using technique??? wouldnt technique be better if u were strong with it rather than weak?

fedor,
im trying to help you out man. if you seem to know it all, then how come everyone at your gym is fed up with you (including your instructor), and you come running to the 'grappling forum' asking questions? take it easy man. i know you spaz on the mat... dont bring that spaz shit here too.

 

[thewaterchapter]

owned by a white belt wrestler...but all of your bjj friends back u up tho

maybe because every single BJJ guy here, has had a runin (if not multiple) with tons of you spazy know it all kids, just like yourself. occasionally, some wrestlers pay attention to BJJ TECHNIQUE, and they can make for some great grapplers.

 

[Murdoch]

rolling lazy and rolling controlled are two different things imo. The more we train the more i see the spazz's realize that they are falling behind and they start to roll with more control. getting to the point that you can think while you roll rather than react while rolling takes a lot of time and maturity. i think i can get my cardio and strength built up faster than i can my technique. i also don't really concern myself with subs as much as i do sweeps. defense and position. people need to remember that this sport is a marathon not a sprint. i want to be rolling when i'm 70 so i dont feel the need to go ballz out and injure myself or someone else when i substitute intensity with control.

 

[thewaterchapter]

rolling lazy and rolling controlled are two different things imo. The more we train the more i see the spazz's realize that they are falling behind and they start to roll with more control. getting to the point that you can think while you roll rather than react while rolling takes a lot of time and maturity. i think i can get my cardio and strength built up faster than i can my technique. i also don't really concern myself with subs as much as i do sweeps. defense and position. people need to remember that this sport is a marathon not a sprint. i want to be rolling when i'm 70 so i dont feel the need to go ballz out and injure myself or someone else when i substitute intensity with control.

very well said. and i think thats the majority of BJJ guys opinions. usually people mostly roll for position, with subs present in their mind. not vice versa. when someones in my gaurd, i concern myself too much with submitting him, but moreso, waiting for his mistakes, or wanting to sweep him.