International Agent Krasnov seeks to ease Russian sanctions

[Sinister]

The thing is, present Russian identity at this point rests almost solely on not being Western. What they are, is less defined by being Russian, and more defined by not being American.

It'd take an enormous leap for them to suddenly welcome America as an ally. For sure, they'll appreciate the U.S. not breathing down their necks for a change, but they'd entertain no delusions of an alliance.

Leaders like Yeltsin and Gorbachev are looked down on as fools for trusting the West. Even in Stalin's case, his biggest mistake was trusting Hitler to honor his non-aggression pact. They don't commit such mistakes anymore, especially with a flaky country like the U.S.

They'll benefit where they can from Trump's approach but they're also prepared for the inevitable change in direction once he's gone.

Great post. MAGAtards in this forum have been ignoring, for years, the way Putin talks about Trump to his own people. He calls him a fool, calls him a puppet, calls him a petulant man-baby. The fact that these dorks, of voting age, started hero worshipping Putin years back as some kind of shining example of manliness is playing right into his hands. And it's hot a coincidences that this campaign to sanitize his image in the eyes of Americans began under Obama, at a time when a good chunk of Americans just couldnt tolerate having a black President and started circulating the shirtless Putin memes.

The Russians have been playing US socio-political divides for decades. Now we have a President who outwardly admires Putin because he wants to be like him. The image of Putin is likely what Chump always wanted to think of himself as, even if much of that is propagandized nonsense. Bottom line is Putin has no genuine regard for Trump, or us. This was just a means to get America to facilitate Russian wins.

 

[TheGreatA]

Great post. MAGAtards in this forum have been ignoring, for years, the way Putin talks about Trump to his own people. He calls him a fool, calls him a puppet, calls him a petulant man-baby. The fact that these dorks, of voting age, started hero worshipping Putin years back as some kind of shining example of manliness is playing right into his hands. And it's hot a coincidences that this campaign to sanitize his image in the eyes of Americans began under Obama, at a time when a good chunk of Americans just couldnt tolerate having a black President and started circulating the shirtless Putin memes.

The Russians have been playing US socio-political divides for decades. Now we have a President who outwardly admires Putin because he wants to be like him. The image of Putin is likely what Chump always wanted to think of himself as, even if much of that is propagandized nonsense. Bottom line is Putin has no genuine regard for Trump, or us. This was just a means to get America to facilitate Russian wins.

The reaction by Russia to Trump's recent actions has been pretty mild. There's no faith that this represents a long-term chance in direction for American foreign policy.

Obviously they're happy that Trump has pretty much given up all of the leverage it had over Russia about the Ukraine situation for free, in exchange for absolutely nothing, but it's still not going to undo a hundred years of America and Russia being geopolitical rivals.

 

[Wrath of Foamy]

 

[lowlife]

The thing is, present Russian identity at this point rests almost solely on not being Western. What they are, is less defined by being Russian, and more defined by not being American.

It'd take an enormous leap for them to suddenly welcome America as an ally. For sure, they'll appreciate the U.S. not breathing down their necks for a change, but they'd entertain no delusions of an alliance.

Leaders like Yeltsin and Gorbachev are looked down on as fools for trusting the West. Even in Stalin's case, his biggest mistake was trusting Hitler to honor his non-aggression pact. They don't commit such mistakes anymore, especially with a flaky country like the U.S.

They'll benefit where they can from Trump's approach but they're also prepared for the inevitable change in direction once he's gone.

I don't expect them to become allies akin to the US and UK, but that they'll work together as long as their interest align, and they'll use any agents of chaos available to them ie Trump. These partnerships will form almost by default.

 

[TheGreatA]

I don't expect them to become allies akin to the US and UK, but that they'll work together as long as their interest align, and they'll use any agents of chaos available to them ie Trump. These partnerships will form almost by default.

I can see that happening but I can also see the old "double-cross" by Russia happening when opportunity presents itself. Every U.S. politician who tried to have warmer relations with Russia has been fucked by them. You could say the same in opposite cases too.

 

[PBAC]

Day 1 is lasting so long i dont think trump can count to two

 

[lowlife]

I can see that happening but I can also see the old "double-cross" by Russia happening when opportunity presents itself. Every U.S. politician who tried to have warmer relations with Russia has been fucked by them. You could say the same in opposite cases too.

Oh absolutely.

 

[Scerpi]

Pro-Russian Americans won't get what you want without America actually doing some damage to Europe first.

Which America/Trump won't do.

Even Kier Starmer can glaze your President, so absorbed by his own ego is he.

He's basically a pussy cat. Stroke his ego and he purrs, parks his tariffs, and settles down on your knee.

Just be sure to promise to enrich him and his buddies, which is the main problem with his foreign policy: his enemies are prepared to offer him more money than his allies, hence he's drawn to them, which is ultimately bad for you, as an American.

Starmer ain't glazing shit...

His own house is on fire, maybe he should focus there.

 

[Confucamus]

You guys really want this "Agent Krosnov" stuff to stick, huh? Reddit must really be running out of ideas for you to use.

 

[heloder]

You guys really want this "Agent Krosnov" stuff to stick, huh? Reddit must really be running out of ideas for you to use.

Have the chuds been re-programmed to blame everything on Reddit instead of the MSM now?

Just want to keep up to date.

 

[Crazy Source]

Have the chuds been re-programmed to blame everything on Reddit instead of the MSM now?

Just want to keep up to date.

Seems to be a running theme lately. Good call.

 

[nixkid]

Why would he say something bad about Russia when his main goal is to get them to agree to a peace deal? how stupid would that be.....

So he's capitulating. He'll give Russia everything they want then claim that he is the mastermind of the greatest peace treaty in human history and you'll eat it up like a rube.

 

[nixkid]

Removing sanctions would be part of a peace deal, not a precursor. That should be blatantly obvious.

A peace deal where Russia gets to keep Ukrainian territory, NATO pulls troops out of the Baltics, sanctions are lifted, Ukraine is forbidden from joining NATO, and must demilitarize. What an amazing deal for the West. Only the Orange Empower could orchestrate such a one sided deal.

Russia will be holding "Victory over NATO" military parades for the next 50 years. What a great deal.

 

[Khaosan]

You guys really want this "Agent Krosnov" stuff to stick, huh? Reddit must really be running out of ideas for you to use.

Do you prefer Shitler?

 

[Lycandroid]

A peace deal where Russia gets to keep Ukrainian territory, NATO pulls troops out of the Baltics, sanctions are lifted, Ukraine is forbidden from joining NATO, and must demilitarize. What an amazing deal for the West. Only the Orange Empower could orchestrate such a one sided deal.

Russia will be holding "Victory over NATO" military parades for the next 50 years. What a great deal.

who says thats what the peace deal will entail ?

 

[Hog-train]

Leaders like Yeltsin and Gorbachev are looked down on as fools for trusting the West. Even in Stalin's case, his biggest mistake was trusting Hitler to honor his non-aggression pact. They don't commit such mistakes anymore, especially with a flaky country like the U.S.

I don't think Trump "trusts" Putin - I think he has dirt on him. Either that or some kind of hidden business interests in Russia.

 

[nixkid]

who says thats what the peace deal will entail ?

Where has Trump pressured Russia to concede on anything? All the pressure is on Ukraine

 

[Source]

A peace deal where Russia gets to keep Ukrainian territory, NATO pulls troops out of the Baltics, sanctions are lifted, Ukraine is forbidden from joining NATO, and must demilitarize. What an amazing deal for the West. Only the Orange Empower could orchestrate such a one sided deal.

Russia will be holding "Victory over NATO" military parades for the next 50 years. What a great deal.

Putin doesn’t only want territory he has captured, I believe it was reported last June that any peace deal he would also acquire other territories that he hasn’t captured.

 

[TheGreatA]

I don't think Trump "trusts" Putin - I think he has dirt on him. Either that or some kind of hidden business interests in Russia.

At that level I'd imagine no one trusts anybody.

I don't think Trump necessarily trusts Putin either but as a businessman it feels like he's taking a gamble in case Russia does prove out to be reliable for atleast 4 years. This could help give the American economy the bump he has promised.

Trump isn't really a guy that thinks about long-term consequences that much. He's a businessman. He sees Ukraine as a money sink while aligning with Russia creates economic opportunities. I'd say that's about the extent of his thinking here.

 

[Lycandroid]

Where has Trump pressured Russia to concede on anything? All the pressure is on Ukraine

Nobody knows the full details of any deal as they will never be made public. Stop pretending otherwise. We only know what they deem acceptable for media consumption.