Law Affirmative Action Abolished: U.S Supreme Court Outlaws Racial Discrimination In College Admissions.

[nefti]

AA is not keeping Asians down. AA is not allowing other minorities in instead of asians. However, AA is being used as an excuse to limit asian enrollment but not significantly increasing the enrollment of other races. The only think AA being used for is to keep AA enrollment down. It is not used to significantly increase the enrollment of other minorities.

 

[superpunch]

AA is not keeping Asians down. AA is not allowing other minorities in instead of asians. However, AA is being used as an excuse to limit asian enrollment but not significantly increasing the enrollment of other races. The only think AA being used for is to keep AA enrollment down. It is not used to significantly increase the enrollment of other minorities.

That actually made me think. If a minority is to actually out-achieve white Americans, stats like their college enrolement will have to become higher than their representation in the general population.

In a hilarious unintended consequence, does affirmative action actually guarantee white supremacy through sheer numbers?

 

[nefti]

African Americans and Latinos are being manipulated and used by the white liberal establishment to keep AA enrollment down. The sad thing is that the latino/African American people are being used yet there are no significant increases in their enrollment.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

but blacks can get in with their C- grades and thats whats important.

Lol you really think thats how it works ?

 

[TemujinKhan]

Read the entire article here:

http://www.economist.com/news/brief...successful-minority-they-are-complaining-ever

Man that's all kinds of messed up. Even when its right in front of peoples faces they deny or rationalize.

 

[TemujinKhan]

AA is not keeping Asians down. AA is not allowing other minorities in instead of asians. However, AA is being used as an excuse to limit asian enrollment but not significantly increasing the enrollment of other races. The only think AA being used for is to keep AA enrollment down. It is not used to significantly increase the enrollment of other minorities.

How can you say it's not keeping them down then go on to explain that it is. And all these adjectives are getting confusing:

AA = asian americans, affirmative action, african americans.

 

[lifelessheap]

I'll keep my opinion relatively short (relative to my entire opinion on the subject, not relative to my other posts).

No university is obligated to admit students based exclusively on a meritocratic criteria. For every university's freshman class there will be a percentage of students denied admission who exceed the average qualifications of those admitted. I don't think that means discrimination.

I'm more inclined to think that it means significant overlap in terms of student activities. You only want so many members of their hs chess clubs or computer clubs or swim teams or basketball teams. And students with high gpa's and SAT scores are likely to have more overlapping extracurriculars than you would imagine.

For instance, I play piano. I played for well over a decade before applying to college. The thing is when I got to college, it seemed like almost everyone played something (piano, violin, trombone, guitar). It just wasn't that unique or interesting.

Of course, if there is legitimate evidence that Harvard is denying Asians admittance because they're Asian and not because there's a whole host of other things they value highly then that's wrong. However, given that the Asian student population at the school is much greater than their representation in the population, I think it's an uphill argument.

Too many piano players.....

Lets accept the Mac 10 players.....

 

[lifelessheap]

Immigrant minorities are more succesful, it requires brains, entrepeneurship and balls to leave a country, cross an ocean and start in a completely different culture.

YUP. That is why Mexican illegal aliens and their anchors are dominating in our schools...

derp.

 

[7437]

African Americans and Latinos are being manipulated and used by the white liberal establishment to keep AA enrollment down. The sad thing is that the latino/African American people are being used yet there are no significant increases in their enrollment.

Asians are overwhelming Liberal too. Moreso than women, hispanics, or nearly any other group of people.

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

 

[lfd0311]

Of course the education system is unfair to Asians, they're a highly successful group that focuses on progressive credentialism and that's the MO of education in America. So when everyone who speaks 4 languages, plays 2 instruments, lettered in Tennis, Golf, or cross country, etc. all stand in line they're going to be mostly Asian. So the schools have to follow racial quotas for 'equality'.

This, this and all of this. When it was White people being excluded to fill quotas, it was cool. Now that it isn't, now that they're excluding what is still a racial minority, then it's racism. Now it's a problem. Welcome to your "equal" society. leftists. Have your cake, eat it too. This is the society you wanted, the society you strove to create. So if you have a problem with it blame nobody but yourselves.

 

[Rod1]

YUP. That is why Mexican illegal aliens and their anchors are dominating in our schools...

derp.

1.- They are clearly doing their jobs right otherwise people would be hiring Americans over there

2.- Their anchors are not immigrants.

 

[AznTrojan]

let's just say this.. back in 2000... my college student adviser told me to forgo applying for medical school due to my average MCAT score since i was asian.. she said i would be a shoe-in if i were black or hispanic

i still got into the school i wanted to thanks to my GPA and extracurricular activity and strong letters of rec.. but fuck that affirmative action bullshit..

 

[Madmick]

So I was saving this for the Jessie Williams thread as an ace-up-the-sleeve, but as that thread dropped off the first page without me needing to use it, I thought I'd give it its own thread. Both rulings are from just the past few weeks.

The Supreme Court just approved state-protected racism among universities. I don't sympathize with the specific white girl who brought the lawsuit, but I nonetheless fully agree with her that "race consciousness" in admissions standards is...well, it's obviously racism, what else do you call it that isn't a euphemism masking the blunt truth of it?:
The Supreme Court just ruled in favor of affirmative action in college admissions

The US Supreme Court affirmed the Fifth Circuit's opinion in the Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin case, ruling that the "race-conscious admissions program in use at the time" is lawful under the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.

The court ruled 4-3 in the university's favor, with Justices Anthony Kennedy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer, and Sonia Sotomayor delivering the opinion of the court, and Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and John Roberts dissenting.

Justice Elena Kagan recused herself from the case.

Are white people mad about this? Of course. But probably not as mad as our Asian-American brethren:
Asian-American student who filed a complaint about discrimination after being rejected from the Ivy League: 'I feel disappointed' in the Supreme Court

As an Asian-American, Wang has a personal interest in the issue of affirmative action. With a perfect ACT score and 13 Advanced Placement courses under his belt, he applied to seven Ivy League universities and Stanford in 2013. After most of them rejected him, Wang filed a complaint with the US Department of Education, alleging that Yale, Stanford, and Princeton discriminated against him because of his race.

When he applied in 2013, Wang suspected that his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he received rejection letters from Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

"I feel disappointed with the court and what they're trying to do because I feel like they are just trying to avoid the issue of dealing with affirmative action right away," Michael Wang, a rising senior at Williams College, told Business Insider.

Wang says that he worked incredibly hard and excelled in every area possible, but it still wasn't good enough.

"There was nothing humanly possible I could do," Wang told Business Insider last year, adding that he felt utterly demoralized after his rejections.

Institutional racism? Well, the Democrats are all for it so long as it is congruous with the uncharted oppression ladder wherein Native Americans, Blacks, and Latinos are afforded the benefit of this institutional racism. If that's the racism we're dealing with, then it's clearly a public good, not a social iniquity.

Check out The Economist's incredible piece on Wang replete with statistics and evidence conveying exactly why Asian-Americans are so distraught-- even jaded-- by this:
Asian-Americans: The model minority is losing patience

In May this year Mr Wang joined a group of 64 Asian-American organisations that made a joint complaint to the Department of Education against Harvard, alleging racial discrimination. That follows a lawsuit filed last year against Harvard and the University of North Carolina by a group of Asian-American students making similar charges. The department rejected the claim in July, but another two complaints have since been filed by Asian-Americans, one against Harvard and one against nine other universities.

On October 3rd 1965 President Lyndon Johnson signed the Immigration and Nationality Act into law, sweeping away a system that favoured white Europeans over other races. One of its main consequences was the beginning of mass immigration to America from Asia. By most indicators, these incomers have done better than any other ethnic minority group. Indeed, they have long been described as the “model minority”: prosperous, well-educated and quiescent. But there are problems, as a result of which they are becoming somewhat less quiescent than they once were.

In 1965, a public policy evil was corrected. It was a victory for equality. In 2016, a public policy evil was perpetrated. It was a regression and a victory for racists everywhere.

You are no longer judged by the "content of your character" in this country-- your objective achievements. Martin Luther King Jr. has been betrayed.

Maybe my favorite given their rampant hypocrisy with regard to "diversity" is this jpeg showing the breakdown of Silicon Valley (gender is not displayed in it, but you can find how overwhelmingly male Silicon Valley is with a Google). Men, Whites, Asians...all well represented. Sure that has nothing to do with their ability to outperform peers per capita that are Female, Hispanic, and African-American. Don't worry, Silicon Valley will fix this because liberals care about diversity more than their own profits....right?

 

[Jack Handy jr]

Time to stand and wang.

Seriously perfect ACT damn dude should have played a sport too. From what I can gather Asian students are outperforming other racial groups by such a wide margin on these placement tests that if perfect SAT's and ACT's were the delineating factor our top schools would be 2/3 Asian.

Hell the University of Michigan already seems that way. Go to south U in Ann Arbor during the fall it looks like a street in downtown Shanghai.

Just saying to get in these top schools and you're Asian or white you need to play a sport real good plus have straight A's since kindergarten. Or.....

Have a parent that is extremely wealthy and will grease some coffers (money always talks)

Have a parent that's a free mason or an alumni.

 

[Thunderflash500]

Well I think it's the wrong decision. But it's a decision. They might need to start their own school. I believe that's how MIT got to be so great. They accepted Jewish professors while other schools wouldn't hire them. Because MIT was merit based it became a top school. Again though, schools should accept the best.

 

[Grappleboxing]

Asian guy here.

That isn't that impressive to be honest. My school, the Asians tend to have less APs, but are more well rounded than Mr.Wang. 13 APs and Perfect SAT/ACT score, is really awesome, but what sports, societies, clubs, was he apart of?

Typical Asian senior in my school.
8+ APs
2200+ SAT/32+ ACT
4+ varsity something(Typically track and field)
6+ years playing an instrument and is ranked, in that instrument.
Member of X, Y, and Z honor society.

Not saying Mr.Wang wasn't discriminated against in this case, but there are probably even better Asians in his case if he just had the APs and scores.

 

[BobVulture]

Asian guy here.

That isn't that impressive to be honest. My school, the Asians tend to have less APs, but are more well rounded than Mr.Wang. 13 APs and Perfect SAT/ACT score, is really awesome, but what sports, societies, clubs, was he apart of?

Typical Asian senior in my school.
8+ APs
2200+ SAT/32+ ACT
4+ varsity something(Typically track and field)
6+ years playing an instrument and is ranked, in that instrument.
Member of X, Y, and Z honor society.

Not saying Mr.Wang wasn't discriminated against in this case, but there are probably even better Asians in his case if he just had the APs and scores.

"He sang at Barack Obama’s inauguration; he got third place in a national piano contest; he was in the top 150 of a national maths competition; he was in several national debating-competition finals."

 

[Stoic1]

Thank you for the article. I am taking a class next week that has SJW professor who likes to talk about student identity, marginalization and PWI (primarily white institutions).

looks like a great double standard that will cause a short circuit.

 

[Grappleboxing]

"He sang at Barack Obama’s inauguration; he got third place in a national piano contest; he was in the top 150 of a national maths competition; he was in several national debating-competition finals."

Alright, that is pretty damning. I'll take back what I said then. He most likely was discriminated against.

 

[Madmick]

Asian guy here.

That isn't that impressive to be honest. My school, the Asians tend to have less APs, but are more well rounded than Mr.Wang. 13 APs and Perfect SAT/ACT score, is really awesome, but what sports, societies, clubs, was he apart of?

Typical Asian senior in my school.
8+ APs
2200+ SAT/32+ ACT
4+ varsity something(Typically track and field)
6+ years playing an instrument and is ranked, in that instrument.
Member of X, Y, and Z honor society.

Not saying Mr.Wang wasn't discriminated against in this case, but there are probably even better Asians in his case if he just had the APs and scores.

Any chance you could similarly freestyle stats on these respective fields for the average Black or Hispanic students at your school? Or, possibly more saliently, the high school down the street?