Adderall and BJJ

groundshark1

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I normally take prescription adderall (20mg XR) before my day job and it works wonders for my focus/concentration. By the time I train at night it's worn off.

The other day, I took it before training and noticed my performance was terrible. I was making mistakes left and right, gassing quicker than usual and feeling dehydrated (my head was tingly). I'm pretty sure I can attribute the performance to the drug and I don't think I was just having an off-day.

Anyone else take adderall or ritalin while training? What are your experiences?
 
i was on enough vyvanse to kill a horse at one point, and also on clonazepam to stifle the anxiety from being that hopped up on amphetamines.

i lost 15 pounds in the first month i was on the stuff, without even training. when i did train, i felt like i had no strength, no speed, and i think i felt my heart murmur a few times.

amphetamines can enhance performance, but they're also a diuretic
 
i was on enough vyvanse to kill a horse at one point, and also on clonazepam to stifle the anxiety from being that hopped up on amphetamines.

i lost 15 pounds in the first month i was on the stuff, without even training. when i did train, i felt like i had no strength, no speed, and i think i felt my heart murmur a few times.

amphetamines can enhance performance, but they're also a diuretic

is it true that the dosage for vyvanse is such that e.g. 20mg of vyvanse feels like 10mg of adderall?
 
kind of. adderall is 50/50 amphetamine and dextroamphetamine in a spansule, which dissolves in your stomach. vyvanse is dextroamphetamine hooked to a lysine molecule.

dextroamphetamine does a great job of penetrating the blood/brain barrier, moreso than regular amphetamine. the nice thing about vyvanse was since it's part lysine, it metabolizes at a steady rate. so, where adderall or straight dexys have peaks and valleys based on how they're digested and metabolized, vyvanse is nice and steady.

but.

vyvanse takes so, SO long to wear off, and it's really fucking expensive.

i don't like being wacky on amphetamines. my ADHD medication of choice are sativa strains of weed - sour diesel and trainwreck especially. i never could study on indicas, or function for that matter. sativas have a really nice way of turning off a lot what i call 'static' in my brain, while retaining enough tunnel vision to force me to focus on a few things at once, instead of everything.

the weird thing about vyvanse too - i saw everything. what i mean by that is that my brain could process my entire field of vision, all the time. i felt like a damn superhero. the tradeoff was that i felt like i was in the middle of an adrenaline dump ALL THE TIME, and processing all those photons gave me such a headache that i wore sunglasses whenever the sun was out. it also fucked with my eidetic memory -> things would get placed in the wrong 'file', for lack of a better description.

i could see how they helped, and i know people use them to cram for finals, but the side effects were just too harsh for me to want to continue. especially when they interfered with training.
 
ud think adderall would help u rolling, it definitely helps me learn techniques during that part of class but it makes me so awful when actually sparring. i have no idea why
 
amphetamines already increases your heart rate, blood pressure, metabolism, et cetera. my RHR on vyvanse was in the 90's, and my blood pressure averaged something like 180/120.

within a month of being off, RHR was back down to 60, and my BP was 110/60 like it had always been.

there's a family history of heart attacks and MI's, and that was enough to scare me off the stuff for good. i don't think it should be banned or discouraged or any of that nonsense, but i have reservations about athletes and kids taking the stuff.

and i don't mean to bang the weed drum here, but it still baffles me that the government refuses to acknowledge the medicinal benefits, insists on locking up every black or brown person with a bit in their pocket, yet approves shit like oxycontin for clinical trials in children.

not that 14-year olds should be getting baked, but from personal experience i'd rather have them stoned out of their minds than gorked on opioids or tweaking on amphetamines
 
i was on enough vyvanse to kill a horse at one point, and also on clonazepam to stifle the anxiety from being that hopped up on amphetamines.

i lost 15 pounds in the first month i was on the stuff, without even training. when i did train, i felt like i had no strength, no speed, and i think i felt my heart murmur a few times.

amphetamines can enhance performance, but they're also a diuretic

How often did you train while on the drug? If you did it often, did you notice an improvement in your tolerance or anything?
 
A friend/teammate of mine handed me a pill once before class. I was stupid enough to trust him. He said it would help with performance. It was adderall. Half an hour later, I felt like I was on crack (never done crack but I imagine it was like that). I felt like shit. I was paranoid, couldn't think straight and sweating way more than I usually do.

After knee surgery I would pop hydrocodone on days when my knee was sore but I could tell that my focus wasn't as good and my cardio was shit.

Rolling sober (or on some caffeine) is the best way for me.

If you are prescribed adderall, I would recommend trying to time it so you can try to roll sober.
 
Feels like fighting with that adrenaline rush to me, kind of weak cuz the body has that rush feeling. Well aware of what's going on and what I should be doing but so hyped so full of energy/adrenaline im just a shaky weak mess that gets dominated but has too much energy to stop. Sometimes i'll wear down my sparring partner and get mount or dominate position but locking up a sub and finishing is not likely.

I can't do it, I can study and learn techniques much better though.
 
I took an adderall before a competition once. It was the worst performance, worst gassing and worst dry mouth I'd ever had. Never never again
 
How often did you train while on the drug? If you did it often, did you notice an improvement in your tolerance or anything?

daily. there's really no getting over being that amped up all the time. i initially attributed a lot of the fatigue to the klonopin, but once i weaned off of that i still had the same problems that everybody's been mentioning.

i was constantly thirsty, constantly sweating, and like i said, my RHR was 50% above normal. that really freaked me out. i kind of felt like my body was burning fuel throughout the whole day, instead of when i needed it.

the other thing i noticed was that i couldn't control my hyper-focus. it was like vyvanse just left the switch in the 'on' button. it was great for class, up to a point, but like i said, i almost paid too much attention to everything.

i've read a few columns and papers that postulate ADHD is simply remnants of our paleolithic humanity. that's why sit-down-and-shut-up doesn't work. that's why the incidence is so high among men. we're not wired to hang out on our asses and stare at screens or listen to people babble. we're supposed to be out foraging and fucking and fighting and being men, damn it.


think about all the bullshit we dealt with in school for not conforming. not saying 'baaa'. we were taught to accept authority, sit still, and stare at things two feet in front of our faces for eight hours a day. that if we didn't accept that, we were somehow wrong, or 'naughty'. fuck that. the world is far too big, and life is far too short to spend sitting on your ass wondering what's out there. it might not conform with 'normal' society, but fuck normal society. fuck traveling from box-to-box just to get fat and buy more boxes to put in my boxes. that's precisely why i don't have a desk job. i get accused of squandering my 'gift' of intelligence because i'm not sitting at a lab bench curing cancer or sitting behind a computer moving money around. fuck those people. i've been doing construction for the last year, and i've never been happier. i need to move. i need to sweat. i need change. i need excitement. i don't see the point in using my intellect to increase someone's profit margins.

sorry to get excited. i guess what i'm trying to say is that you don't need to medicate yourself when there's nothing wrong with you. ask yourself if what you're doing is making you happy. ask yourself if you're sure. if you have to medicate yourself just to appease people and 'fit in', why bother?
 
I take a lower dose of vyvanse, and it used to effect my heart rate if I trained early in the morning, but I have pretty much adapted to it; the other issue is that I drink a ton of coffee so the diuretic affect is pretty substantial.
 
wow, i actually thought Adderall would help. i figured you would be straight focused. interesting
 
I pretty much agree with those here that mentioned the Vyvanse stuff. I have been on vyvanse for nearly 3 months taking it only on days when I know I have a busy day at the office. However it "supposedly" last 14 hours but as mentioned before it doesn't always turn off. I often don't sleep till 2 am on some nights. I'll get tired late in the evenin but my mind won't want to sleep.

As far as training I haven't returned back to BJJ yet due to work/family schedule so right now I just go to the gym in my apartment complex just weight training and staying mobile. It has scared me numerous times as to why my heart felt like it wanted to pop out of my chest.

However it did cause me to see nearly everything that my vision wouldn't otherwise normally catch. I focused real good at 30mg a pill, but in all honesty I think I would rather just stay away from it entirely and if it means learning at a slow pace than so be it.
 
wow, i actually thought Adderall would help. i figured you would be straight focused. interesting

In my opinion yes the medication may allow you to mentally understand and focus what you may be working on but the simple fact that it's side effects can be rather unsettling and dangerous especially under physical stress where your heart already has to pump a lot of blood.
 
anybody have additional pills of adderall / ritalin ... pM me =)

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Stimulants are funny things. I had a friend convince me to try some workout "supplement" of his called superpump once before bjj, much to my distaste there was a group of guys in my club getting into all this crap. It actually, I think, really improved my performance in class but I basically felt cracked out. It was overall very unsettling and just felt like something I shouldn't mess with.

I've known people who went a very bad way with ritalin / adderall and other stimulants. It's not healthy, and I imagine it would be especially unhealthy to make a habit of training on the stuff. It's not actually going to improve your skill, just give you a few gym wins if anything (or makes you a physical wreck as other posters have reported).


Different story if you're SUPPOSED to be taking it for legit reasons, but if that were the case you'd have gone over all this with your doctor
 
i have add and adderall doesn't have the same "tweaker" effects on me. I don't get an elevated heart beat, i don't feel "cracked out", Actually it is more of a downer for me. It helps me be not so scatter brained, and keeps me from getting distracted by hotties walking by in the shopping center while im trying to train. I have never noticed any effects, positive or negative, on my stamina strength or endurance, but ive been taking it daily for several years. If you do not have add, the effects are completely different, and you get more of an amphetamine high from it.
 
Just a home grown statistic I'd like to share with people on here:

At my high school there were quite a few guys who had been prescribed dextroamphetamine. Every single one of them ended up addicted to methamphetamine. If there ever was a "gateway drug" then this is it. Everyone I know who has done both has said that the physical and psychological effects of the two drugs are pretty much identical, with the only way to distinguish them being that methamphetamine takes longer to wear off.

There were also a lot of people at my high school who became addicted to dextroamphetamine even though they had never had a prescription. A lot of the kids who had prescriptions would crush the pills up and snort them to make their supply go further, and then sell their surplus to other kids.
 
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