Absolute Mad Lads: Charlie Zelenoff

[Sinister]

part of me thinks he wanted to take boxing seriously but they wouldn't allow him to so he put on these antics.

I remember seeing a video where his father tried to break up a fight by calling him mentally unwell. Something doesn't fit right with me about the father. There's a defunct term for parents of schizophrenic children for when they enable the illness by behaving in a manipulative narcasitic manner - encouraging their negative behavior then doubling down and turning on them when the going gets tough. His father strikes me as one of those people. Something about him strikes me as being manipulative.

I don't think hes schizophrenic. His behavior doesnt fit that affliction. Schizophrenics dont magically become lucid when they're about to get shit-stomped

 

[PBAC]

I don't think hes schizophrenic. His behavior doesnt fit that affliction. Schizophrenics dont magically become lucid when they're about to get shit-stomped

I don't mean literally. It's just that there's sort of a theory that a certain style of parenting causes mental disorders and is mostly brought up in relation to schizophrenia,. It's not a valid theory anymore anyway. It was removed because it seemed like placing the blame on someone else. I personally believe it though.

 

[Sinister]

I don't mean literally. It's just that there's sort of a theory that a certain style of parenting causes mental disorders and is mostly brought up in relation to schizophrenia,. It's not a valid theory anymore anyway. It was removed because it seemed like placing the blame on someone else. I personally believe it though.

I don't think I schizophrenia is a product of an environment. Its literally characterized by audio and visual hallucinations. It requires drugs like lithium to treat. Sociopathy, now that is usually attributable to environment. Charlie has sociopathic tendencies. He doesnt view people as human beings, he views them as tools to get what he wants.

 

[Dr Fong]

Yes and no. He has definitely shown self-preservation and a sense of apologizing. He did to Wilder, and another guy who was about to seriously beat the brakes off him.

In that incident with Floyd Sr. I was managing Tocco's when it happened. He had called ahead and asked me if I could arrange for him to pay someone $500 to knock them out. I told him no, no one is going to LET you knock them out on video for $500. He showed up anyway and I didnt realize he was the same guy who called. So he tries to just do this stupid sh*t and get away with it. Is he like developmentally challenged, or like hallucinatory? No. Is he a narcissistic sociopath? Yeah very likely. But he's not even the only one. There's a guy named Christian who does the exact same thing. Goes to various gyms and picks real fights for social media fame.

You don't need to walk around eating your own sh*t to be mentally ill. I understand what you are saying, but the guy is a complete fruitcake.

 

[Belaya Smert]

I’d rather watch him then Logan Paul tbh

 

[Sinister]

You don't need to walk around eating your own sh*t to be mentally ill. I understand what you are saying, but the guy is a complete fruitcake.

I stated the exact conditions he likely has. They are technically mental illnesses. My point was just that people seem to want to think that Charlie doesnt make conscious decisions to be an idiot knowing exactly what he's doing, I dont think that's the case.

 

[mozfonky]

Personally, I try not to think of those things too much. I remember how me and my best friend were in a buffet. Some guy comes in slamming shit around, cursing and scaring all the old people that was there, then he tried my buddy, my buddy said, "what the fuck is wrong with you?" and then we both were ready to jump him and he immediately became a little saner. My buddy started slamming shit around and saying, "I"m crazy too fuck it". Who the hell knows. They can really test your patience, it's kinda like looking at drunks and drug addicts, some people say take their behavior very seriously, including the bullshit they say, and others say ignore it, that it's the product of an inebriated brain.

My stepdad used to say, "a drunk mouth speaks a sober mind". Who knows, humans are clever and deceptive, suffice to say most of this sort of Charlie Z shit is totally unneccessary and uncalled for.

 

[cheesus]

I don't think hes schizophrenic. His behavior doesnt fit that affliction. Schizophrenics dont magically become lucid when they're about to get shit-stomped

He's definitely schizophrenic, he does livestreams where he just walks around the house in circles continually answering questions no one is asking. I have watched his streams at times where there is literally no one in there and he is having a full blown conversation with several people at once. There was a period where he thought he was the resurrection of Jesus Christ, was the one to save Nikki Minaj, spoke about being a cyborg and claimed to have power that started a pandemic, that thought process is well beyond a delusional personality disorder and that's just the start, he also appears to have a bipolar and narcissistic personality disorder.

 

[mozfonky]

He's definitely schizophrenic, he does livestreams where he just walks around the house in circles continually answering questions no one is asking. I have watched his streams at times where there is literally no one in there and he is having a full blown conversation with several people at once. There was a period where he thought he was the resurrection of Jesus Christ, was the one to save Nikki Minaj, spoke about being a cyborg and claimed to have power that started a pandemic, that thought process is well beyond a delusional personality disorder and that's just the start, he also appears to have a bipolar and narcissistic personality disorder.

fuck, never saw those ones. I wouldn't be surpised if he was some sort of illicit drug user too, that can fry anyone's brains permanently.

 

[cheesus]

fuck, never saw those ones. I wouldn't be surpised if he was some sort of illicit drug user too, that can fry anyone's brains permanently.

I've heard he use to smoke meth briefly at some point in time when he was younger which probably accelerating his underlying issues, think a lot of it is speculation though. There's videos of when he's tweaking on something though, likely prescription drugs.

 

[mozfonky]

I've heard he use to smoke meth briefly at some point in time when he was younger which probably accelerating his underlying issues, think a lot of it is speculation though. There's videos of when he's tweaking on something though, likely prescription drugs.

fuck, nicki was on her way shortly after that.

He'd be a great actor if he wasn't nuts. Great delivery and believability in what he's saying, a little too much conviction.

 

[TheGreatA]

I recall posting on the same boxing forum as he did when he started his road to madness, a long time ago. He got goaded into actually having a professional boxing match, which was about the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen.

At first he just seemed like the average forum troll, boasting about being a tough guy, but the humiliation of that loss and probably drugs sent him over the edge. Eventually he was sucker-punching guys like Floyd Sr. and getting belted by Deontay Wilder. It was pretty shocking to see a random troll get involved with all these major boxing figures.

 

[mozfonky]

I recall posting on the same boxing forum as he did when he started his road to madness, a long time ago. He got goaded into actually having a professional boxing match, which was about the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen.

At first he just seemed like the average forum troll, boasting about being a tough guy, but the humiliation of that loss and probably drugs sent him over the edge. Eventually he was sucker-punching guys like Floyd Sr. and getting belted by Deontay Wilder. It was pretty shocking to see a random troll get involved with all these major boxing figures.

he had a pro fight huh? trippy. Boxing is a down to earth sport, it's not too surprising to see a guy get into that world without much vetting.

 

[TheGreatA]

he had a pro fight huh? trippy. Boxing is a down to earth sport, it's not too surprising to see a guy get into that world without much vetting.

Some guys on boxrec.com set it up, as I recall it. Zelenoff fought a guy who was 1-13 and got DQ'd for trying to bail out of the fight. Probably the most pathetic pro fight I've ever seen.

 

[cheesus]

Some guys on boxrec.com set it up, as I recall it. Zelenoff fought a guy who was 1-13 and got DQ'd for trying to bail out of the fight. Probably the most pathetic pro fight I've ever seen.

He might be the worst pro of all time, at least Jimmy Smith actually went out on his shield. Charlie Zelenoff just quit when he couldn't land anything and seemed scared shitless when he was punched in the face.

 

[Sinister]

He's definitely schizophrenic, he does livestreams where he just walks around the house in circles continually answering questions no one is asking. I have watched his streams at times where there is literally no one in there and he is having a full blown conversation with several people at once. There was a period where he thought he was the resurrection of Jesus Christ, was the one to save Nikki Minaj, spoke about being a cyborg and claimed to have power that started a pandemic, that thought process is well beyond a delusional personality disorder and that's just the start, he also appears to have a bipolar and narcissistic personality disorder.

I trained a schizophrenic kid, it doesnt look like what Charlie does. It's legit terrifying when they're in a full-blown episode. I didnt know this kid was schizophrenic when I first met him because he had come from a juvenile program where he was getting his meds. One day he showed up to the gym without a shirt on and he had a hospital bracelet on, and proceeded to have a breakdown to the degree that we had to call authorities. 4 Cops, 4 Fireman, and 4 EMT's came to the gym, they couldnt get anything intelligent out of him. The next time I saw him a few years later he was medicated again and I had to explain to his Mom that getting hit in the head probably isnt good for him.

I know Charlie is supposed to take some kind of medication as I saw the Court video where the judge told him to. I'm just not sold that its schizophrenia having met the guy, and comparing it to actual schizophrenics I've seen. My wife's ex is also schizophrenic and when he wasn't medicated he literally couldnt tell reality from, well, not reality. In the middle of an episode they're not likely to start livestreaming or even address something like a camera, and ones that ever have that I've seen are aware theyre having an episode and are increasingly reactive to the point where they struggle to maintain, anything. They're not going to call for food in order to attack a driver and speak somewhat lucidly when they do. They're not going to apologize after antagonizing a room full of people.

Now all that said I'm just giving my opinion with what experience I have. There are manic schizophrenics and catatonic ones. If the manic ones are not medicated their episodes are gonna just happen triggered by almost anything. Charlie's whole thing is just too performative. However he could be diagnosed with schizophrenia in his paperwork, but it would surprise me if that was what he was diagnosed with. Narcissists can also think and act like they are emissaries of God. They can also get non-schizophrenic people to actually believe they are.

 

[mozfonky]

also, shrinks make money giving labels out, I never trust a field like that. Mental illness is real but if you don't think I'm right about shrinks, go to one and after an hour they'll give you a label, damn near guaranteed.

My ma was labeled bipolar, I never knew if she really was or not. One of my cousins was apparently told he was schizophrenic, I don't know if he was or he wasn't. I know he was a mess though.

 

[BusterKeaton]

I don't think people should give this guy any attention. He's a piece of shit and doesn't deserve the notoriety.

and I always assumed you were down with Zee money.

 

[PBAC]

I trained a schizophrenic kid, it doesnt look like what Charlie does. It's legit terrifying when they're in a full-blown episode. I didnt know this kid was schizophrenic when I first met him because he had come from a juvenile program where he was getting his meds. One day he showed up to the gym without a shirt on and he had a hospital bracelet on, and proceeded to have a breakdown to the degree that we had to call authorities. 4 Cops, 4 Fireman, and 4 EMT's came to the gym, they couldnt get anything intelligent out of him. The next time I saw him a few years later he was medicated again and I had to explain to his Mom that getting hit in the head probably isnt good for him.

I know Charlie is supposed to take some kind of medication as I saw the Court video where the judge told him to. I'm just not sold that its schizophrenia having met the guy, and comparing it to actual schizophrenics I've seen. My wife's ex is also schizophrenic and when he wasn't medicated he literally couldnt tell reality from, well, not reality. In the middle of an episode they're not likely to start livestreaming or even address something like a camera, and ones that ever have that I've seen are aware theyre having an episode and are increasingly reactive to the point where they struggle to maintain, anything. They're not going to call for food in order to attack a driver and speak somewhat lucidly when they do. They're not going to apologize after antagonizing a room full of people.

Now all that said I'm just giving my opinion with what experience I have. There are manic schizophrenics and catatonic ones. If the manic ones are not medicated their episodes are gonna just happen triggered by almost anything. Charlie's whole thing is just too performative. However he could be diagnosed with schizophrenia in his paperwork, but it would surprise me if that was what he was diagnosed with. Narcissists can also think and act like they are emissaries of God. They can also get non-schizophrenic people to actually believe they are.

there's a lot of spectrums toward schizophrenia. It's not just auditory illusions but confirmed delusion of grandeur which is one of the more subtle kinds. I did a course in abnormal psychology and its one of those disorders that makes me question the validity in how some of these things are diagnosed because it's such a broad and often vague spectrum. It seems like you can pin it to anything.

I tend to use the classic example of Henry VI, the mad king who was said to have suffered a schizophrenic lapse, but despite being catatonic didn't have the typical symptoms to such an extant it has also just been caused a mental lapse. That is, they don't even really know. As for becoming suddenly lucid, Henry was catatonic for 18 months then suddenly snapped out of it when he realized he had a son, so there are different states of awareness at play

 

[mozfonky]

there's a lot of spectrums toward schizophrenia. It's not just auditory illusions but confirmed delusion of grandeur which is one of the more subtle kinds. I did a course in abnormal psychology and its one of those disorders that makes me question the validity in how some of these things are diagnosed because it's such a broad and often vague spectrum. It seems like you can pin it to anything.

I tend to use the classic example of Henry VI, the mad king who was said to have suffered a schizophrenic lapse, but despite being catatonic didn't have the typical symptoms to such an extant it has also just been caused a mental lapse. That is, they don't even really know. As for becoming suddenly lucid, Henry was catatonic for 18 months then suddenly snapped out of it when he realized he had a son, so there are different states of awareness at play

there are also terms like "schizoid" "schizotypal" which means similar to some of the symptoms of schizophrenia. I'd say I'm schizoid without hesitation but really, I think labels are half useless. A shrink once told me that I scored high for being schizoid because I was a native. What good is the test for me? What good would it be for others who are native or even from the underclass where character traits of suspicion are normal and common?