Absolute Mad Lads: Charlie Zelenoff

Charlie still undefeated?

Could've been an all time great, but preferred street fighting.
 
Did Charlie train at a gym? How did he get a license to fight?
 
He's considered actually mentally ill right? Every time I've seen this guy he's definitely not there.
 
drblackula said:
He's considered actually mentally ill right? Every time I've seen this guy he's definitely not there.
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Yes and no. He has definitely shown self-preservation and a sense of apologizing. He did to Wilder, and another guy who was about to seriously beat the brakes off him.

In that incident with Floyd Sr. I was managing Tocco's when it happened. He had called ahead and asked me if I could arrange for him to pay someone $500 to knock them out. I told him no, no one is going to LET you knock them out on video for $500. He showed up anyway and I didnt realize he was the same guy who called. So he tries to just do this stupid sh*t and get away with it. Is he like developmentally challenged, or like hallucinatory? No. Is he a narcissistic sociopath? Yeah very likely. But he's not even the only one. There's a guy named Christian who does the exact same thing. Goes to various gyms and picks real fights for social media fame.
 
this guy got nothing on Prophet Muscle.
 
drblackula said:
He's considered actually mentally ill right? Every time I've seen this guy he's definitely not there.
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If he ain't I don't know who is. Guys like this are the guys people coined that saying, how god looks out for fools. People get shot and killed for a lot less than Charlie and Prophet Muscle do.
 
mozfonky said:
If he ain't I don't know who is. Guys like this are the guys people coined that saying, how god looks out for fools. People get shot and killed for a lot less than Charlie and Prophet Muscle do.
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When Charlie is confronted with serious harm he becomes notably less crazy in his conversation
 
Sinister said:
When Charlie is confronted with serious harm he becomes notably less crazy in his conversation
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I guess it all comes down to opinion and definition. I knew a guy who was always fucking with people, I used to call him crazy. There was another man who just wasn't about bullshit and said the nut knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe he was right, same difference though, the guy was a pain in the ass. I'd say there are degrees of crazy too. Prophet Muscle is way worse than Charlie, totally out of touch. As I mentioned, people get killed for a lot less than what I've seen these guys do.
 
mozfonky said:
I guess it all comes down to opinion and definition. I knew a guy who was always fucking with people, I used to call him crazy. There was another man who just wasn't about bullshit and said the nut knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe he was right, same difference though, the guy was a pain in the ass. I'd say there are degrees of crazy too. Prophet Muscle is way worse than Charlie, totally out of touch. As I mentioned, people get killed for a lot less than what I've seen these guys do.
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For sure. Charlie is definitely fairly calculated. When he first came to Tocco's he didnt even talk to anyone. He just put some gloves on (laces dangling) and started absurdly wailing on a bag. Floyd Sr. asked him what the f*ck he was doing and he said training for his upcoming fight with Wladimir Klitschko. Floyd went off on him and that's how all that started
 
Sinister said:
For sure. Charlie is definitely fairly calculated. When he first came to Tocco's he didnt even talk to anyone. He just put some gloves on (laces dangling) and started absurdly wailing on a bag. Floyd Sr. asked him what the f*ck he was doing and he said training for his upcoming fight with Wladimir Klitschko. Floyd went off on him and that's how all that started
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floyd? that sounds like two peas in a pod. Love Floyd though.
 
drblackula said:
He's considered actually mentally ill right? Every time I've seen this guy he's definitely not there.
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The guys is definitely insane, he should have been in a hospital years ago. He's a clear a schizophrenic among many other personality disorders, he lives in a complete fantasy world, completely detatched from reality.

I'm shocked he's still alive, he looks pretty sick these days from the years of alcohol abuse.
 
Seano said:
I don't think people should give this guy any attention. He's a piece of shit and doesn't deserve the notoriety.
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I'm kind of surprised that he still gets talked about. There's no percentage in continuing to analyze or talk about this guy. He's been pulling the same shit for well over a decade. He's not about to change or do anything worthy of consideration.
 
Sinister said:
Nah, Floyd Sr is ghetto, but would never pull the kinds sh*t Charlie did. But he's too real to just sit there and hear Charlie say he was fighting Klitschko, Floyd took that as an affront on the entire Sport.
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Floyd's a character, gets wound up over little to nothing too. He's entertaining as was his bro.
 
Blazeblack said:
I'm kind of surprised that he still gets talked about. There's no percentage in continuing to analyze or talk about this guy. He's been pulling the same shit for well over a decade. He's not about to change or do anything worthy of consideration.
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I don't see much about him anymore, I keep expecting to here one of these idiots got shot which I don't wish on them but it could very easily happen.
 
cheesus said:
The guys is definitely insane, he should have been in a hospital years ago. He's a clear a schizophrenic among many other personality disorders, he lives in a complete fantasy world, completely detatched from reality.

I'm shocked he's still alive, he looks pretty sick these days from the years of alcohol abuse.
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there's a vid somewhere where his russian/immigrant father is trying to explain in bad english that the guy's mind is gone. Didn't know about the booze, wouldn't surprise me if he was into hard drugs too though.

Prophet muscle doesn't really seem crazy, he seems more stunted or retarded, like a 4 year old in a man's body. He has actually taken on some dudes, he beat Ksi in some street fight.

"Crazy" can be in the eye of the beholder, for good reason. A lot of people pretend to be crazy to get benefits/sympathy/create fear or otherwise be manipulative. A shrink would toss a label on those guys in a heartbeat just to make it official.
 
mozfonky said:
there's a vid somewhere where his russian/immigrant father is trying to explain in bad english that the guy's mind is gone. Didn't know about the booze, wouldn't surprise me if he was into hard drugs too though.

Prophet muscle doesn't really seem crazy, he seems more stunted or retarded, like a 4 year old in a man's body. He has actually taken on some dudes, he beat Ksi in some street fight.

"Crazy" can be in the eye of the beholder, for good reason. A lot of people pretend to be crazy to get benefits/sympathy/create fear or otherwise be manipulative. A shrink would toss a label on those guys in a heartbeat just to make it official.
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Charlie's Father was trying to keep someone from actually beating his ass badly in that video. He's also been complicit in his antics. Theres video breakdowns of the whole thing and how his Father enables him and took him to some of the gyms where he just hauled off on people
 
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