About the Velasquez vs Lesnar title fight.

[Richard Fannin]

Nothing close to controversial, Dos Santos beat Stipe fair and square and the judges were right, as MMADecisions always reminds us.
Junior dos Santos def. Stipe Miocic :: UFC on Fox 13 :: MMA Decisions
JDS losing that fight was like impossible, would be a robbery.

MMA Decision also reminds us that those guys scored the fight for Stipe (or a draw):

Dallas Winston
BloodyElbow.com​

49-49​

DRAW
Mookie Alexander
BloodyElbow.com​

47-48​

Miocic
Brian Knapp
Sherdog.com​

47-48​

Miocic
MMAJunkie.com​

47-48​

Miocic
Nathan McCarter
BleacherReport.com​

47-48​

Miocic
Tim Burke
BloodyElbow.com​

47-48​

Miocic​

It wouldn't have been a robbery had Miocic gotten the nod, or, more realistically, had the fight been a draw.

There are many decisions that are much more controversial than Miocic winning the first fight would have been, and after a couple days of outrage, Sherdog would be filled with hot takes threads titled "I didn't see any robbery, you could conceivably give the fight to the other guy, so it's not exactly controversial"

Even fights results that had everyone was fuming during the PBP threads now have people making threads a couple hours later to tell us that we don't know what we're looking at, and the "robber" actually easily won.

Look at Rodtang vs Superlek from yesterday, on the PBP thread almost everyone was giving the nod to Rodtang, and after the fight was over and Superlek given the win, then people started to come around and claim they're satisfied. Not the best example (because of the weird knock down in the second round that didn't get a replay from another angle), but since it was yesterday, might as well mention it.

For somewhat recent examples, see Sean O'Malley & Sterling (2nd fight obviously) vs Petr Yan, or Paddy Pimblett vs Jared Gordon

 

[tritestill]

Prime Cain could beat everybody EVER at HW. Would only consider Prime Fedor and maybe Jon Jones (If he was at HW earlier) better. Prime Cain wipes Prime Stipe off the board and Sea Level Cain cleans Werdum away too.

 

[Sincere Guy]

MMA Decision also reminds us that those guys scored the fight for Stipe (or a draw):

Dallas Winston
BloodyElbow.com
49-49
DRAW
Mookie Alexander
BloodyElbow.com
47-48
Miocic
Brian Knapp
Sherdog.com
47-48
Miocic
MMAJunkie.com
47-48
Miocic
Nathan McCarter
BleacherReport.com
47-48
Miocic
Tim Burke
BloodyElbow.com
47-48
Miocic​

It wouldn't have been a robbery had Miocic gotten the nod, or, more realistically, had the fight been a draw.

There are many decisions that are much more controversial than Miocic winning the first fight would have been, and after a couple days of outrage, Sherdog would be filled with hot takes threads titled "I didn't see any robbery, you could conceivably give the fight to the other guy, so it's not exactly controversial"

Even fights results that had everyone was fuming during the PBP threads now have people making threads a couple hours later to tell us that we don't know what we're looking at, and the "robber" actually easily won.

Look at Rodtang vs Superlek from yesterday, on the PBP thread almost everyone was giving the nod to Rodtang, and after the fight was over and Superlek given the win, then people started to come around and claim they're satisfied. Not the best example (because of the weird knock down in the second round that didn't get a replay from another angle), but since it was yesterday, might as well mention it.

For somewhat recent examples, see Sean O'Malley & Sterling (2nd fight obviously) vs Petr Yan, or Paddy Pimblett vs Jared Gordon

But this doesn't mean anything, majority voted correct that was Dos Santos the winner. PBP threads and etc also don't mean anything, MMADecisions is what we got and they know the fight game for years, better than a Sherdogger for sure. That's why they are the reference, there is a reason.

 

[Richard Fannin]

But this doesn't mean anything, majority voted correct that was Dos Santos the winner. PBP threads and etc also don't mean anything, MMADecisions is what we got and they know the fight game for years, better than a Sherdogger for sure. That's why they are the reference, there is a reason.

You seem confused; MMADecisions doesn't actually score fights... they just copy-paste the official UFC scores.

You can also vote there, but it doesn't mean much, since everyone can do it.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Jesus son. Big nog fought and beat werdum on their feet. Quite handily. A few years later Big nog faced cain and got ktfo standing in spectacular fashion. Watch the fight. Like i said you're clearly new to mma.

Show me a part of the fight where Cain won the stand up against Werdum before he gassed.

 

[mjfan23]

Brock subbed him later while both were still in their primes and Cain was allowed to roid.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Jerk. I prefer to use harsher words, but I’ll just call you a jerk. This is why I hesitated for years to join this forum. It’s because of jerks like you.

 

[OmegaRugal]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name, at a further time in the fight.

Maybe my OCD is on overdrive or whatever. Forgive me… So when the two were fighting, Lesnar really was exhausted, right? As in gassed out or nearly gassed out, right? And Joe and the other dude clearly noticed it? And an untrained eye like mine missed it?

Or was Cain just so good that he made Brock seem tired because of how good his technique was? Joe did say at the end that Cain’s technique overcame Brock’s brute force.

I just wanna educate myself here. I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio. In a sense, at least.

Thank you.

Yes Brock gassed himself in less than a round.

He took Cain down twice but couldnt hold him down.

Brock went into surgery due to an illness that affected his cardio/energy.

Cain probably would gave still won. But not as easily if Brock was healthy.

 

[OmegaRugal]

which looks almost identical to being exhausted, as it's a temporary state of exhaustion in a way.

... so he was exhausted.

 

[HereticBD]

I don’t know if they fought more than once. I’m talking about the upset victory where Cain beat Brock in the first round…

Joe Rogan, at some point in the fight, mentioned Brock was exhausted. So did his partner-commentator, I forgot his name, at a further time in the fight.

Maybe my OCD is on overdrive or whatever. Forgive me… So when the two were fighting, Lesnar really was exhausted, right? As in gassed out or nearly gassed out, right? And Joe and the other dude clearly noticed it? And an untrained eye like mine missed it?

Or was Cain just so good that he made Brock seem tired because of how good his technique was? Joe did say at the end that Cain’s technique overcame Brock’s brute force.

I just wanna educate myself here. I’m the strongest guy in my Judo team but I’m abysmally out of shape. It makes me wonder if Cain’s destruction of Brock would be my destiny if I keep avoiding cardio. In a sense, at least.

Thank you.

Yeah, Brock blew up trying to blitzkrieg him. Cain's wrestling countered Lesnar's, and that was pretty much all she wrote. Cain was also a noteworthy cardio machine, who wasn't phased by the immediate pressure. Cain also clipped him early, and Brock was basically on queer street from that pre-cartwheel shot to the end.

Anyways, yeah, work on your cardio. Brock isn't even the best example. So many HW's get gassed after the first round. It's the big man's curse.

 

[x9lonewolf]

I called this fight many moons ago. Many of the people on Sherdog thought Brock was going to steam roll Cain because of him being a small heavyweight. The problem was Velasquez wrestled at heavyweight and was used to guys this size. The reason why Brock was gassing so quickly is because the pace of Velasquez. Where you could tell Brock was gassing is when he was resting longer and longer in various rest points of his. That’s how Rogan knew.