A solution for the wrestler vs. striker imbalance - fence grabs allowed for the striker

Might be one of the worst thread I have ever seen.
 
I don't think that's the real problem. If it is overpowered it's because it is easy to decision someone by holding them down. Maybe adjusting scoring method to motivate advancing position or working towards finish would be better instead of rewarding 'control' time against the cage or sitting in someones guard. Unfortunately or fortunately, Colby/Usman style of fighters are really hard to beat. It is race against clock.
 
Here is your solution if they wanna do their little wrestling thing...

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SouthpawSouthernFist said:
It's overpowered to be a wrestler at the top level, this strategy needs a nerf. The imbalance is basically: unlimited spam of TDs and chain wrestling, tiring out the striker and making him constantly fear the takedown, giving the wrestler every advantage in the book.

The UFC needs to apply a patch to the current rules to revise the dynamics of these high level fights.

The solution:

Each fighter is designated as a 'striker' or a 'wrestler' prior to the match. They decide their own designations.

Strikers are allowed to grab the fence. But they are only allowed to attempt 1 takedown per round and are given a maximum of 1 minute control time on the ground for that takedown. These limits are to reduce the ability of wrestlers to declare themselves as strikers to abuse fence grabbing.

Wrestlers are not constrained in control time or number of takedown attempts, but they are not allowed to grab the fence.

With this new ruleset, strikers don't have to be afraid of constantly being taken down. They are relatively safe near the cage, and more in danger near the middle of the octagon. This is more balanced and will ensure more action standing up. It also does not negate the ability of wrestlers to do their thing, but it eliminates the victory of an elite wrestler as a foregone conclusion.

This is not that big of a rule change, since fence grabbing already happens when Herb Dean decides to allow it.

To differentiate between the two, strikers wear shorts and wrestlers wear leotards.

Thoughts?
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I agree somewhat.
Getting rid of knees to the head on the ground and 12-6 elbows makes it almost fearless for wrestlers to dive for the crotch.
Some rebalancing may be in order.
 
what imbalance?
adesanya dosent seem to have much issues with it

these strikers just need proper takedown defense and the mentality to stand up

takedowns are exhausting you cant just spam them for 5 rounds if you dont have much control time on the ground
 
SouthpawSouthernFist said:
It's overpowered to be a wrestler at the top level, this strategy needs a nerf. The imbalance is basically: unlimited spam of TDs and chain wrestling, tiring out the striker and making him constantly fear the takedown, giving the wrestler every advantage in the book.

The UFC needs to apply a patch to the current rules to revise the dynamics of these high level fights.

The solution:

Each fighter is designated as a 'striker' or a 'wrestler' prior to the match. They decide their own designations.

Strikers are allowed to grab the fence. But they are only allowed to attempt 1 takedown per round and are given a maximum of 1 minute control time on the ground for that takedown. These limits are to reduce the ability of wrestlers to declare themselves as strikers to abuse fence grabbing.

Wrestlers are not constrained in control time or number of takedown attempts, but they are not allowed to grab the fence.

With this new ruleset, strikers don't have to be afraid of constantly being taken down. They are relatively safe near the cage, and more in danger near the middle of the octagon. This is more balanced and will ensure more action standing up. It also does not negate the ability of wrestlers to do their thing, but it eliminates the victory of an elite wrestler as a foregone conclusion.

This is not that big of a rule change, since fence grabbing already happens when Herb Dean decides to allow it.

To differentiate between the two, strikers wear shorts and wrestlers wear leotards.

Thoughts?
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I think this is a terrible thread.. That is the first thought that comes to mind.
 
Just put them in a ring instead of a cage.
Have a 10 minute first round, followed by two 5 minute rounds.
Penalize the wrestler for inactivity if they're stalling.
Allow soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent.
 
Why can't every one just grab the fence?

Seems like a pretty arbitrary rule.
 
On his podcast Teddy Atlas says he was consulted by the UFC when it was just starting out. His suggestion: basketball-style shot clocks for wrestling.

Say, one minute timer when they hit the ground. After that the ref stands them up again.

I dunno if it'd work but I wouldn't mind seeing them try.
 
DoNoootin said:
Wrestling isn't fighting
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Ufc is mixed martial arts. Wrestling is a martial art.

You're welcome for the introduction.... now that you understand what it is, you can go watch boxing since you seem to think that fights are only throwing hands...
 
chinarice said:
Ufc is mixed martial arts. Wrestling is a martial art.

You're welcome for the introduction.... now that you understand what it is, you can go watch boxing since you seem to think that fights are only throwing hands...
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I don't think fights are only throwing hands.

I think fighting is causing damage.

Punching, kicking.. yeah. And yeah, some wrestling or grappling to control things but keep it to the action. Suffocating somebody is NOT fighting. It's almost the definition of NOT fighting. It's like 'hey what can I do to STOP the fighting'.
 
DoNoootin said:
I don't think fights are only throwing hands.

I think fighting is causing damage.

Punching, kicking.. yeah. And yeah, some wrestling or grappling to control things but keep it to the action. Suffocating somebody is NOT fighting. It's almost the definition of NOT fighting. It's like 'hey what can I do to STOP the fighting'.
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So who did this? Certainly not Colby... he fought more than Masvidal did....

Sounds like you have misguided hate about things. You should want to stand-up fighters to stop being so 1 dimensional.
 
chinarice said:
So who did this? Certainly not Colby... he fought more than Masvidal did....

Sounds like you have misguided hate about things. You should want to stand-up fighters to stop being so 1 dimensional.
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Colby did fight more. Masvidal looked like shit.

This wasn't a criticism of Colby.
 
It Just Is said:
Umm... Charles is a strong grappler, but he's a solid MMA artist in general. He can use his BJJ because he has good MMA wrestling...

Volk actually has solid grappling. He leans more towards striking, but overall, is solid in MMA, generally. You can make that same case for Fig and Yan. They lean striking, but their grappling is above average, and they will leverage that ability against fighters who have weaker grappling than them. So basically it's better to be sharp in one area, but know how to leverage other skill sets if your speciality ain't cutting it. Basically, mixing shit up. The one who can do it the best to meet the situation wins the most.

Izzy and Francis are probably the only pure strikers. But even Francis will grapple if he has an advantage over someone with 0 wrestling stat.
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Ya, it's mixed martial arts, even the best wrestler/BJJ/striker must have secondary skills or they will not even make it to the UFC anymore.

Seeing as we are talking about the champs of each division, I don't disagree that those guys have solid to strong skills in other areas of MMA but I listed the primary focus of each guy.

Do Bronx has improved his wrestling but he's still not a powerhouse wrestler and his striking is quite good now too so he's probably hardest to really categorize.
 
maybe replace the cage with a plexiglass wall? though they might have to clean between rounds or add some design to it so fighters can see it well
 
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