Social A record number of American 40-year-olds have never been married

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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...-in-the-u-s/psdt_11-06-19_cohabitation-01-05/

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https://ifstudies.org/blog/red-families-vs-blue-families-which-are-happier/
I’ll bet it has more correlation to income than anything else
 
it's funny that most people in this thread are blaming this on feminism

wow women are not forced to marry anyone just to survive..
Yeah and blaming contraceptives lol. Like they’re basically saying it’s to bad they can’t anchor a woman to them by knocking her up
 
This is going to be a problem for the U.S. and I dont know the solution. I'm almost 40 and I never married because divorce can ruin a man. One year your have family, wife, and a house next year you're sleeping in a studio apartment paying child support. Its to much risk for me. Saw it happen to my dad and was like I'll pass on the marriage thing.
 
Yeah that’s the other thing. While I assume I’ll be with my partner for life, lots of marriages break up. My parents, for example, were married 53 years—but probably shouldn’t have been. They should’ve divorced decades ago, but for some reason—maybe because of us kids, maybe something else—they never did. They spent a lot of years miserable. People who get divorced are likewise miserable, financially drained, stressed the fuck out…. Who wants that shit?

It's a myth that most marriages break up. Most people actually marry and never get divorced. It's more likely that you marry one person and stay with them for all of your life.

Married people also live longer on average and live happier lives than unmarried people.
 
I'm speaking to them in the simple and reductive terms that they are speaking in. If people want to take a more nuanced approach and take issue with certain aspects and messages of modern feminism, I am open to the conversation. But that is not how the people I was quoting/responding to are speaking. In their own words, they take issue with feminism as a whole/as a concept. If you're calling out feminism as a whole, you're calling out the idea of equal rights for men and women under the law, as a whole.
But nobody is doing that. Current feminism is hideous and that s what they are calling out.
 
Half of first marriages end in divorce, and that number rises on second/third marriages. It's not just my environment.
If half of marriages (and it’s less than that, divorce rates fell after that near half peak a few decades ago) fail, and you have no successful marriages around you to emulate, your area is an outlier.


This is going to be a problem for the U.S. and I dont know the solution. I'm almost 40 and I never married because divorce can ruin a man. One year your have family, wife, and a house next year you're sleeping in a studio apartment paying child support. Its to much risk for me. Saw it happen to my dad and was like I'll pass on the marriage thing.
Did you ever (intentionally) have children?
 
This is going to be a problem for the U.S. and I dont know the solution. I'm almost 40 and I never married because divorce can ruin a man. One year your have family, wife, and a house next year you're sleeping in a studio apartment paying child support. Its to much risk for me. Saw it happen to my dad and was like I'll pass on the marriage thing.

Its not only usa thing but everywhere in western world really to my knowledge

Society is going through changes i feel and we will start to see results in 40s and 50s

Good or bad time will tell
 
Not a great idea to get married these days, politicians and the courts are openly weaponed against men
 
I don't really see the need to. Maybe if I really fell in love with a woman, but it seems like too much work and is too risky. I'd rather just plow someone once in a while.
 
Its not only usa thing but everywhere in western world really to my knowledge

Society is going through changes i feel and we will start to see results in 40s and 50s

Good or bad time will tell
marriage + divorce, a lot of it comes from cultural aspects, monetary, and laws.

shame in divorce use to be a thing, should be a thing, and that's why indians and pakistani's dont divorce much, because shame brought to a family.

money is a big factor, are your finances joined or separate? Divorce rates tank sharply with income, but it does cap at some point and remains a bit high, do the spouses have full access or half access/poor access? stuff like that makes a big difference, especially if the lady doesnt have full access. It's a leap of faith or a leap to your doom, if the old lady and I had separate accounts, we wouldnt last this long. Anecdotally, I havent seen couples with separate accounts (no including business) last very long.

people getting married later in life are simply delaying divorce till later in life if this shit isnt down, and the laws that promote divorce, like no fault, unshared custody, is pouring gas onto flames. For profit health, for profit war, for profit prisons, they all have a downside, and when divorce is also profitable..... well then........... if it suddenly lost the long term profitability, then it wouldnt be so prevalent.

divorces WILL lower, because it's a numbers game, people are getting married later, people will die off before they can get divorce, there will be less couples that survive 40 year marriages, less that survive 30 year marriages, and so forth, because it's not physically possible. Also, the older folks getting married..... should know what they want by then....... and there are a lot of downsides starting that late. You gonna get replaced by immigrants because you cant keep up with the demand for more people, and there is one. All of these factors are directly related to each other.
 
It's a myth that most marriages break up. Most people actually marry and never get divorced. It's more likely that you marry one person and stay with them for all of your life.

Married people also live longer on average and live happier lives than unmarried people.
I didn’t say most ended, I just said lots ended. I think the US divorce rate is only maybe 15% (taking an educated guess), but that’s still 700K divorces a year. There’s just not a whole lot of incentive to get married.

Saying they’re happier is a bit misleading, I think. There’s also evidence that happier, glass-half-full type people are more likely to get married, which makes some sense to me.
 
It's a myth that most marriages break up. Most people actually marry and never get divorced. It's more likely that you marry one person and stay with them for all of your life.

Married people also live longer on average and live happier lives than unmarried people.
Most? No. Half? Yes.
 
Most? No. Half? Yes.

It’s not even close to half lol

Divorce rate actually peaked in the 80s and had been steadily going down every year since

Even if that was true you need to look at the other side where the ones that don’t actually continue being married until the end

That is extremely good
 
I’ll bet it has more correlation to income than anything else
Most of the marriages I know is poor couples that need two incomes to afford their apartment or house. the middle class/rich folk marry older.
 
If half of marriages (and it’s less than that, divorce rates fell after that near half peak a few decades ago) fail, and you have no successful marriages around you to emulate, your area is an outlier.



Did you ever (intentionally) have children?

No.
 
women shifting left pretty hard, men shifting right a little. what's going on in south korea?

women more woke and voting for the state, men wanting a return to the old and even dropping out of the market.

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Yea, the whole feminism movement that started around the 70s, that made it normal to kill babies is really winning, so as not to drag down strong, independent womens. Wooohoooo women, you’re amazing!
How long have you been married, and how many times?
 
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