A Potential hurdle... Russian-Dagestani / Eastern European takeover

[PrideNverDies]

On contrary if someone can´t fight he shouldn´t be in the UFC or MMA. We should only allow the elite to fight each other irrespective of who they are just the best fighting the best that is how the sport will grow when you allow meritocracy to take over like Soccer, Basketball, NFL etc etc..

A sport will only become premier when the best take on the best...

Nobody really gives a fuk about a white American fighter if the dude can´t fight he should not be in this sport. Example like NBA or any other sport they moved to meritocracy ages ago.. Example do you think they will draft a white boy for just being a white boy if he can´t actully fuking play the sport and same case with NFL and soccer nobody will splash out money on someone except for meritocracy that is why it is the worldwide sport it is ruthless meritocracy anything else would be financial loss for the clubs.

And people will watch other combat sports then. I don't care if some little hairy guy can beat a giant robot if he's just humping his legs I don't want to watch

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

And people will watch other combat sports then. I don't care if some little hairy guy can beat a giant robot if he's just humping his legs I don't want to watch

The sport has somewhat evolved in waves.

Someone will find a counter, right now we’re in a wrestling heavy era where the ufc is kind of making favorable matchups for a lot of strikers they think are marketable to avoid wrestling champions across the board.

Whoever finds a way out o consistently best these wrestlers could reach legend status. It will happen sooner or later

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

I read it, but it's fairly convoluted and none of the people you mentioned are from Eastern Europe. Not even one person.

edit: I'm not sure about Movsar, he seems central Asian, but I could be wrong. It'd be redundant regardless since he is Russian.

WTF Dagestan and Ingushetia Chechnya is eastern Europe.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

The sport has somewhat evolved in waves.

Someone will find a counter, right now we’re in a wrestling heavy era where the ufc is kind of making favorable matchups for a lot of strikers they think are marketable to avoid wrestling champions across the board.

Whoever finds a way out o consistently best these wrestlers could reach legend status. It will happen sooner or later

The guy is Eduard Vartanyan but for some reason they haven't signed him but he has the best anti Dagi wrestling style in the world

 

[Plissken]

Georgians aren't Russians or Dagestanis, they are a Caucasian Christian nation (not unlike Armenia in that respect) that while once was under Russian/Soviet rule is and has in the past been its' own nation. They also seem to be more varied fighters than the more wrestling first Dagestanis. Topuria has a wrestling base but his success has come with his standup, Merab is more like the Dagestanis in that he is wrestling first and uses it to open up his standup, Dolidze is kind of an all-arounder more focused on bjj who doesn't have a particularly strong wrestling base.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I think there is a very strong chance as we move forward that the majority of divisions have Russian-Dagestani or Eastern European champions. While this is fair, and I do think they are the best fighters in the world, it does set a problem as far as entertainment value is concerned. People tend to forget that MMA, like every sport, is at the end of the day part of the entertainment industry, and unfortunately the wrestling pressure heavy style of the Russian-Dagestani school is not necessarily the most popular among fans. It is also not peculiarly helpful to have one region be overly dominant, with guys who are generally quiet, and not histrionic figures.

At BW we have Merab currently, and the next obvious contender is Umar.

Evloev seems like the next obvious guy at FW, and he is particularly boring.

At LW we have Islam, and nobody seems to present a legitimate challenge.

At WW we have Belal (Palestinian American), who is not very popular, and Shavkat coming up, who is exciting to watch, who is not from E. Europe. Ok.

Khamzat at MW is a question mark since he is utterly unreliable, but he is also an exciting fighter.

At LHW there is only so long one can hold before Ankalaev gets another shot. And he's another snoozer.

Valentina again as champion is, well, what it is...

And this is assuming no new signings from that area take place.

To be honest though I don't think Dagistani(or wider former USSR) sambo guys are nearly as uniform as people make out, often they can come from rather different backgrounds and have quite different styles.

Islam for example I don't think you would find many people arguing that he's not an entertaining fighter to watch.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Georgians aren't Russians or Dagestanis, they are a Caucasian Christian nation (not unlike Armenia in that respect) that while once was under Russian/Soviet rule is and has in the past been its' own nation. They also seem to be more varied fighters than the more wrestling first Dagestanis. Topuria has a wrestling base but his success has come with his standup, Merab is more like the Dagestanis in that he is wrestling first and uses it to open up his standup, Dolidze is kind of an all-arounder more focused on bjj who doesn't have a particularly strong wrestling base.

Georgia is a top country in judo and weightlifting as well, on top of Greco and Freestyle.

 

[kingmob6]

then how was Ortega ranked #2? talk about inactive, this motherfucker fights less than Evloev and loses way more.

if I remember correctly, evloev had a few injuries, but he needs to stay active af.

 

[octagonation]

And people will watch other combat sports then. I don't care if some little hairy guy can beat a giant robot if he's just humping his legs I don't want to watch

You should probably watch WWE.. There are real fight fans who appreciate all Martial arts this sport is for us not you.. Find your right sport and leave behind MMA because you don´t belong here period and never was meant for you.

We wanna watch the best fight the best and admire the art of MMA and I mean all of it´s categories

 

[agibmxmma]

I said Russian-Dagestani or Eastern European champions in the first sentence, and said moving forward. Did you even read the post or just read the title and assumed the content?

Comprehension has been lacking on this site the past decade or so.. think most got your point and can agree to a certain extent, even if of a different opinion.

 

[agibmxmma]

bro you're all over the place

conflating Georgia, Kazakhstan, Dagestan, and Russia

you're passing off an American of Palestinian heritage as Eastern bloc because he did a bit of training with some guys

by this logic I'm Brazilian

plus you're ignoring the very serious political issues going down right now which are actively screwing over gyms and prospects in Dagestan and Chechnya

honestly this is the crest of the wave, Putin and Kadyrov are strangling any potential for the next decade

You must not have a life.. or perfect.

 

[PrideNverDies]

You should probably watch WWE.. There are real fight fans who appreciate all Martial arts this sport is for us not you.. Find your right sport and leave behind MMA because you don´t belong here period and never was meant for you.

We wanna watch the best fight the best and admire the art of MMA and I mean all of it´s categories

I'll watch real fighting like Muay Thai and kickboxing and fighters who exhibit high level FIGHTING in MMA. You can watch homoerotic crotch sniffers if that's what's more up your ally. Or down your throat whatever floats your boat sus boy

Turki Alalshikh hated UFC Noche and it's lack of entertainment and bad reception. He was loving AJ vs Dubois at UK boxing event.

 

[MRudi]

This is the correct answer. Not all Eastern European countries are known for excelling in MMA and in some places like Hungary, Romania, Lithuania, and Poland, the sport is hardly popular.

You mean like the country of KSW, one of the biggest MMA organisations in the world, one of the very few countries with champions in UFC in both female and male division, who has second highest record in attendance of MMA event after Japan, with fighters in top10 of 3 divisions right now?

Or am I missing something?

 

[krelianx]

Man with Sherbros like these who needs Sherenemies.

Got fucking clobbered in this thread like if I was Hitler.

No hespect for a vet poster nowhere you savages.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

WTF Dagestan and Ingushetia Chechnya is eastern Europe.

It's part of the Caucasus which is a transcontinental region. Calling it Eastern European in colloquial English language is strange. That region of the world is almost always simply called the Caucasus first.

Someone from Azerbaijan would not see themselves as the same region as someone from Lithuania and vice versa.

Dagestani people are closer to Central Asian people....I mean the republic literally has the "stan" suffix.

Anyway, I won’t argue it, the premise of the TS is flawed with barely any evidence to support it regardless. Some parts are even blatantly false.

And if someone were to consider Dagestani's Eastern Europeans, then saying "Eastern Europeans and Russian-Dagestani's are taking over MMA" is redundant just say Eastern European (as redudnant as saying Russian-Dagestani). But it's obviously some type of "neckbeards are taking over" post sprinkled in with Valentina to make it seem like there is a connection between these fighters when there isn't.

 

[Luffy]

If anything, the only Dagestani champion, is Islam, and before him, Khabib... There were no others, as far as I can remember, from other divisions that is not LW... So yeah, Russian-Dagestani ok, and that's only for 1 division (2 divisions if Ankalaev makes it)... not one from Eastern Europe. Jiri Prochazka is from Eastern Europe, for example... or Jan Blachowicz...

 

[Hellowhosthat]

This is the correct answer. Not all Eastern European countries are known for excelling in MMA and in some places like Hungary, Romania, Lithuania, and Poland, the sport is hardly popular.

The real hotbed of MMA talent in the region tend to be the former Soviet Republics, especially those with a strong tradition of combat sports and wrestling, such as the Caucasus nations (Dagestan, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, etc.). Central Asian countries like Kazakhstan, which were also part of the Soviet bloc, are included in this as well.

Dude there are very few places MMA is as popular as Poland. KSW fills stadiums over there and half their celebrities have had MMA fights

 

[johnmangala]

Are you people stupid or just don't have reading comprehension?

I didn't say Merab was Russian. My first sentence was:

"I think there is a very strong chance as we move forward that the majority of divisions have Russian-Dagestani or Eastern European champions."

Merab is Georgian, which is Eastern Europe. I mentioned a couple people who were not Eastern European (Belal, Shavkat). But the rest were.

Georgia is Asia not Eastern Europe

 

[krelianx]

Georgia is Asia not Eastern Europe

It is at the intersection of both and at the border with Russia. It's considered transcontinental. Don't try to be a contrarian just because it gives you a way to try to feel smart in a forum.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

It's part of the Caucasus which is a transcontinental region. Calling it Eastern European in colloquial English language is strange. That region of the world is almost always simply called the Caucasus first.

Someone from Azerbaijan would not see themselves as the same region as someone from Lithuania and vice versa.

Dagestani people are closer to Central Asian people....I mean the republic literally has the "stan" suffix.

Anyway, I won’t argue it, the premise of the TS is flawed with barely any evidence to support it regardless. Some parts are even blatantly false.

And if someone were to consider Dagestani's Eastern Europeans, then saying "Eastern Europeans and Russian-Dagestani's are taking over MMA" is redundant just say Eastern European (as redudnant as saying Russian-Dagestani). But it's obviously some type of "neckbeards are taking over" post sprinkled in with Valentina to make it seem like there is a connection between these fighters when there isn't.

Nice gymnastics but the North Caucasus is in Europe.