A hive of evolved Ants versus a XenoMorph hive?
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There's no need to make too much of this. We're not in grade school, anymore. Tons of insects leap heights that would have them bounding tall buildings if they were the size of lions.
Force scales to gravity. Gravity is geometric.
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Short answer - most insectoid aliens suck balls and are only popular due to the fact many people are afraid of the insects. Actually, most "alien" life forms are usually shitty written with only a few examples of really good creative thought.
If we are dead set on having alien mutant giant ants, we indeed can find a way to explain how they get to be giant and not collapse upon themselves, simplest answer being maybe they are not made of carbohydrate organics like our ants are, or give them an extra endoskeleton. However, that would make them different and have their own traits unlike our ants.
If you want your fantasy ants to kill xenomorphs (who are even more fantasy), I have nothing against it. Just don't quote real world ant traits in the same sentense, it makes no sense.
And superman, Wolverine and Gandalf and Dr Strange cannot exist.
Don't get me going on The Witcher, Harry Potter and a bunch more.
Because the way to address 'fantasy' is to say 'if the science does not hold up, then the fantasy is to be dismissed'.
I mean, how does the Hulk lift what he does based on what we learn in grade school.
And humans who can fly unaided all thru fantasy and fiction stories... AmiRight? No need to discuss, even in a fantasy/fiction setting, when the science tells us humans cannot fly that way.
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Of course it can make sense in the world of FANTASY and FICTION.
you can use real world things and then, for one example put them thru an infinite multiverse and show infinite forms of what a human or animal or insect might look like. Deadpool might be a dog. Humans might be paint. Humans may be tiny and the insects big.
THAT IS EXACTLY HOW FICTION WORKS. And any attempt to say 'insects are off limits to any science fantasy extractions' just shows a person DOES NOT understand the fiction genre.
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Obviously the point went over your head. It isn't a matter of fantasy. It entertains the hypothetical for what it is.And superman, Wolverine and Gandalf and Dr Strange cannot exist.
Don't get me going on The Witcher, Harry Potter and a bunch more.
Because the way to address 'fantasy' is to say 'if the science does not hold up, then the fantasy is to be dismissed'.
I mean, how does the Hulk lift what he does based on what we learn in grade school.
And humans who can fly unaided all thru fantasy and fiction stories... AmiRight? No need to discuss, even in a fantasy/fiction setting, when the science tells us humans cannot fly that way.
The point is that if ants were the size of men, or xenomorphs, they couldn't lift 100x their weight...because of gravity. You're defining strength as a function of mass resistance, not force production.
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Xenos totally have an exoskeleton.
They actually have both .
No. You express a point in the way a person does who 'reads some science' and feels smart but does not know how to apply it.
This is all fantasy, fiction talk in these type of 'WHAT IF' 'VERSUS' battles. And if you are going to start with 'hurr durr humans cannot fly so talking about Superman or Homelander stops right there as i know science', that is the point going over your head.
In a fictional what if scenario one can absolutely assume giant insects/animals/humans scaled with their strength and it is done all the time in fictional books and movies NOW. I can cite countless examples.
I mean, how does AntMan grow big and function in Marvel movies, when the science does not support that...AmIRight?
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If Ants were human size, I feel confident I could take one
Don’t tell me I couldn’t grab one or both of their antennas and wreak havoc
Don’t tell me I couldn’t grab one or both of their antennas and wreak havoc
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Stop. You simply didn't consider the size scaling problem.
"...if a Xenomorph hive met an evolved Ant colony hive where the ants were similar sized and they fought with similar numbers, i think the ants run thru them like they were not even there."
We're talking about fictional aliens, so nobody is confused the premise is fantastical. Why bring up facts of the natural world about the strength and speed of ants if you're just going to dismiss them the second they become relevant to the hypothetical? The point is your OP presented the hypothetical as a fun intellectual exercise wondering how ants would fare against xenomorphs if they were similarly sized including introducing facts about their relative strength and speed in the real world. I'm simply entertaining the hypothetical you introduced, and highlighting a flaw with its premise. If we're just going to pretend increasing their size doesn't impact their relative strength, because 'wizards dude', then just say that when you introduce the premise: "So let's pretend they maintain these ratios at the same size as xenomorphs."
You didn't do that. You're the dumbass, not me.
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Ok, so if we can’t size up the ants and preserve their strength, why don’t we shrink xenos to like 1/4” tall and see how they stack up against irl ants?
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You have poor reading comprehension. I told you you could of course make large ant-like creatures work, it's just they won't have the exact attributes of real life ants. That's the difference between sci fi and a bedtime story for a 3 year old kid.
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That is an interesting take!
You need to stop.
You are like the child who hears science and does not know how to apply it but goes around repeating it.
If we discuss Homelander flight powers vs Supermans in a discussion of fantasy/fiction and you enter the chat and say the chat should stop and not start because science tells a human cannot fly, you, quite frankly are daft.
Within a fiction Versus talk THERE IS NO OBLIGATION to start and stop the talk based on a assessment of the science viability at the beginning.
You really are beyond help if you think that is how WHAT IF fantasy battle begin in fiction/fantasy talk.
And a human, like Homelander would never have ANY of his powers from taking a steroid like compound.
BUt hey, guess what, in fantasy it is OK to assume his powers would SCALE that way and to not stop every discussion of them, with 'but the science says he would not be that strong or durable... or fly'.
If you cannot read the above and comprehend it get a 3 year old to help you, as the concept is not difficult.
Why?
If you start with the basic science, we KNOW you cannot shrink one down. SO why does this not end right there?
Oh wait, this is a fantasy discuss, so you just ignore that part of the science and assume it can be done with whatever the needs are to accomplish, right?
Madmick, i am curious if you have ever read any of the chats on the Avengers movies with Antman? Or the Honey I shrunk the Kids movies.
Do you think the chats should have been stopped with a mention of ' Square cube law' and then the movies dismissed as something that should not be discussed because they fail on the science?
That is a serious question? Why can you people just go along with the fantasy/fiction, in other discussions but in this one (and others you deem) you must start and stop with an examination of the science applicability??
