A Basic Study of Angles and Good Footwork (Gif Heavy)
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holy sht, that guy would be a menace to meet.. he is so disciplined when he gets hit too. welterweight always deliver the best atheletes
Wow not sure how I missed this. That guy is sick, very good at changing directions to catch his opponent off balance either by drawing him into punches or cutting an angle. Really sharp with his jab too, plus he can turn a guy and disengage under pressure so he doesn't get trapped on the inside. That's skill, discipline and great athleticism in one.
Don't miss Tyson vs Tucker highlights from my previous post - really interesting moments captured there.
I have seen the whole fight, but haven't paid attention to the moments selected in the HL - really good job by the author.
I especially like slip to the left with switch to SP to defend the jab and close the distance. And then counter with left hook from SP position and return back to orthodox stance.
I have seen the whole fight, but haven't paid attention to the moments selected in the HL - really good job by the author.
I especially like slip to the left with switch to SP to defend the jab and close the distance. And then counter with left hook from SP position and return back to orthodox stance.
Good post SB, love his active footwork. in and out, some good counters too once Spence committed.
I wonder how he would change his style to fit the pro system?
I wonder how he would change his style to fit the pro system?
Yes Tyson would do that a lot. skip left and into SP at that angle. He stayed low and ripped those shots. What a beast.
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Amazing thread! A Guy has some of the best technical breakdowns for striking online, period!
In an earlier post you spoke about inside angles and outside angles and what they were. Could you explain further, about ways to get the inside/outside angle etc?
Thanks,
In an earlier post you spoke about inside angles and outside angles and what they were. Could you explain further, about ways to get the inside/outside angle etc?
Thanks,
First understand that they're very subtle in reality, and a live opponent who knows what he's doing won't let you stand at one for more than a split second. It's just about hitting him while he adjusts to you.
As for getting them, it often happens when you make them miss. For example if you step back as they throw a big right hand they'll often let their rear foot step forward, squaring up and giving you an inside angle. It's even stronger if you pivot as you move back. Or you can slip outside a jab and pivot around to your right, attacking from the outside with your left hook.
There are a ton of ways to get them though. You can do it with foot feints and changing directions, by blinding them with your jab, making them she'll up then pivoting, retreating at angles and getting them to make a mistake chasing you, etc. it's all very dynamic.
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Great post!
An MMA fighter that comes to mind with Great foot work is Frankie Edgar. You can see through his career how he has disciplined himself as a striker. Coming originally from a wrestling background.
He is always constantly moving small minute movements. Making it difficult for his opponent to get settled for a second. As they have to constantly readjust. After striking he changes angles to move out of the way from counter strikes.
And he doesn't overdo it. He's not jumping up high off the ground. Just keep close to the ground and constantly moving. That way that power is still contuining to be generated. So he is very specific in his movement
I think some people confuse good "hopping around" like kangaroo for good footwork.
I think he really displayed this when he went against BJ penn.
Those are my 2 cents
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An MMA fighter that comes to mind with Great foot work is Frankie Edgar. You can see through his career how he has disciplined himself as a striker. Coming originally from a wrestling background.
He is always constantly moving small minute movements. Making it difficult for his opponent to get settled for a second. As they have to constantly readjust. After striking he changes angles to move out of the way from counter strikes.
And he doesn't overdo it. He's not jumping up high off the ground. Just keep close to the ground and constantly moving. That way that power is still contuining to be generated. So he is very specific in his movement
I think some people confuse good "hopping around" like kangaroo for good footwork.
I think he really displayed this when he went against BJ penn.
Those are my 2 cents
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Great post!
An MMA fighter that comes to mind with Great foot work is Frankie Edgar. You can see through his career how he has disciplined himself as a striker. Coming originally from a wrestling background.
He is always constantly moving small minute movements. Making it difficult for his opponent to get settled for a second. As they have to constantly readjust. After striking he changes angles to move out of the way from counter strikes.
And he doesn't overdo it. He's not jumping up high off the ground. Just keep close to the ground and constantly moving. That way that power is still contuining to be generated. So he is very specific in his movement
I think some people confuse good "hopping around" like kangaroo for good footwork.
I think he really displayed this when he went against BJ penn.
Those are my 2 cents
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I don't really agree with Edgar having good footwork. He mostly just moves a lot, but he rarely actually gets a good angle with his movement. He's very hittable, struggles a lot with a good jab, and got totally shut down by someone with REALLY good footwork in Aldo before he gassed. His real strengths are pace, durability, speed, and a quick combination blitzing game that transitions perfectly into his favorite knee tap takedown, and wrestling game in general. Plus he has a knack for catching kicks, even if he normally eats them to do it.
So my overall analysis of GSP's footwork is that it's perfect for 2 things: lead hand strikes and takedowns. He sets both of those up very well and mixes them up to keep opponents occupied. However, his footwork always causes him to end up square and open to strikes when he wants to throw his right hand. This makes it hard to give a concise opinion, because it is flawless to set up wrestling, good to set up jabs, and bad to set up right hands. On defense, he is usually smart about exiting on angles but he can get caught moving straight back with his hands down when he isn't planning to shoot and is just resetting (see Condit's headkick). I think it's fair to say that if GSP didn't have his opponents so worried about his spectacular jab (complete with feints, superman jabs, level changes and lead left hooks mixed in) then his footwork issues would be much more problematic.[/QUOTE]
I think gsps footwork where he did that double jab against koscheck was pretty decent I agree he should have pivoted to face joshs centerline after the double jab,I think the right hand wasn't there cuz of his punch selection....he should have threw one jab and then he had an opening for the right to body (ezzard charles does that a lot) then he could have thew a hook after to finish it... but its pretty hard to land a right of any kind of you do a double jab the way he did it. He could have turned after the two jabs and throw a left hook and landed that (ezzard does that too) but if he wanted that right hand to land he would have to step once or he would smother his own punch .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf2XzmPtcMk
see at 6:00 ezzard does what I am talking about although he didnt throw a jab ..he was far away enough to launch a right to body (gsp couldnt land a right with no trouble to body since josh koscheck overly protected his head ) anyhow ezzard then throws the left hook after ....I can see that working for gsp ..but instead he closed the distance (a double jab is great for getting real close to the opponent duran used that after he hurt leonard in the 2nd round to land left hooks to the body ) he should have fiented or thrown 1 jab with a step then launch that right to body left hook to the head (later that right hand can work the head since the opponent would be concerned about the body) anyhow just my 2 cents, good stuff.
I think gsps footwork where he did that double jab against koscheck was pretty decent I agree he should have pivoted to face joshs centerline after the double jab,I think the right hand wasn't there cuz of his punch selection....he should have threw one jab and then he had an opening for the right to body (ezzard charles does that a lot) then he could have thew a hook after to finish it... but its pretty hard to land a right of any kind of you do a double jab the way he did it. He could have turned after the two jabs and throw a left hook and landed that (ezzard does that too) but if he wanted that right hand to land he would have to step once or he would smother his own punch .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf2XzmPtcMk
see at 6:00 ezzard does what I am talking about although he didnt throw a jab ..he was far away enough to launch a right to body (gsp couldnt land a right with no trouble to body since josh koscheck overly protected his head ) anyhow ezzard then throws the left hook after ....I can see that working for gsp ..but instead he closed the distance (a double jab is great for getting real close to the opponent duran used that after he hurt leonard in the 2nd round to land left hooks to the body ) he should have fiented or thrown 1 jab with a step then launch that right to body left hook to the head (later that right hand can work the head since the opponent would be concerned about the body) anyhow just my 2 cents, good stuff.
There were some great examples of angles on display in that video.
I'm not sold on his triangle theory as a way of explaining angles though. I feel like it's missing the importance of alignment when moving along that triangle.
