A Basic Study of Angles and Good Footwork (Gif Heavy)

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Whenever people talk about striking, they always seem to mention that fighters have “good footwork” without any thought. In my experience, good footwork is one of those phrases that people who are completely bullshitting like to throw out there because it sounds like something people who know what they’re talking about say. Kind of like how I could watch a basketball game and comment on the ball handling skills of the top guys or watch football and talk about their ability to read plays. The point is, it all sounds good and I’m probably right, but that doesn’t change the fact that I’m still just talking out my ass.

So anyway, the point of this thread is to highlight what good footwork actually is and what it looks like in fights. For all intents and purposes, let’s define good footwork as a fighter’s ability to move to dominant angles/outmaneuver their opponents in order to land clean strikes and avoid being hit by clean strikes while maintaining balance and leverage.

As for angles, I think everyone knows what they are but most people don't notice them when they happen. Especially at higher levels, they tend to be very subtle. It's important to be aware of that subtlety because it can be very hard to notice and often doesn't appear to give a fighter much of an advantage, even though it can make all the difference. The whole goal of this thread is to help people see this "invisible" level of striking that often decides fights, as well as to appreciate the skill of fighters who take advantage of it. If you don't care about my examples and thoughts, feel free to skip to the bottom and add your own contributions.

I’ll start us off with some gifs of one of the most creative strikers and dangerous kickers in MMA today, Anthony “Showtime” Pettis. Observe his outstanding use of footwork to land devastating kicks:

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In this gif, we see Pettis using his hands to disguise and enhance his footwork as he moves into position to blast his opponent with a left head kick. Pay attention to how his weight loads up onto his front hip as he leads with the cross. This baits the lead hook from the opponent while also putting more potential for power into the kick. His weight shifts back to the right foot as it slides forward into perfect range and his head pulls back to avoid the counter hook. What's really interesting is that he takes an inside angle to land the left kick, when it's normally taught that you should step the other way. However, his method allows his shin to come around the side as his foot wraps around the head, ensuring clean contact and leveling the opponent.

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In a pretty similar knockout, Pettis shows his tendency to kick from a southpaw stance. It's very rare to see guys who can fight with either hand forward, although Pettis mainly does it to land kicks like this one. You'll see that he's kicking from the inside position again, which is interesting because Lauzon doesn't seem to realized what type of kick is coming at all. He probably didn't expect it to be thrown from there. That kick is tricky because it was thrown without being set up in the usual way. Also, if Lauzon had his guard up and didn't duck into it, that kick probably would have come partially behind and around it anyway and still done damage based on their position. Pettis does a great job of aiming and arcing that kick perfectly to land just over the shoulder and right on the jawline, but if Lauzon had defended by standing straight up and blocking then Pettis would be in a good position to arc the kick down and around his block.

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This brutal liver kick is done from a more traditional angle. With his lead foot outside Cerrone's (Pettis is southpaw again), he throws a lightning fast kick with an upward trajectory that crushes right into Cerrone's torso. Cerrone was already hurt by the time this kick was thrown, so it didn't take much work for Pettis to just step to the angle and blast out the kick for the knockout. It's important to recognize that this slight angle makes the kick land that much sooner and makes it that much harder for Cerrone to reach with a counter.

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Backing up a bit before that liver kick, we see Pettis using some great control to land what has been lovingly named the "showtime knee". Notice how he uses his footwork to get close enough to trap Cerrone's hands and avoid any kicks, but far enough that Cerrone can't just tie up, knee or punch without exposing himself since his balance is being controlled through his guard. Pettis sneaks in a quick straight left as he pushed Cerrone into the cage, before jumping off it to throw a flying knee that comes from an angle underneath and to the side. Throwing crazy shit when people are backed up against the cage is a standard affair for Pettis, but in this case he really cuts Cerrone off and outmaneuvers him to force him into the cage and land that knee. Something cool you'll see if you look closely is that right before jumping into the knee, Pettis fakes a superman punch with his right hand and Cerrone raises his left hand to defend against the punch, clearing a path for the knee.

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In this exchange, Pettis lands a stiff jab and then a solid right hand that sends Bendo stumbling back. He achieved this by taking an inside angle (against a southpaw) while jabbing immediately after defending Bendo's switch kick. This allows him to avoid the right hand Henderson tries to throw while he moves, as well as forcing Henderson to end up squared to him in punching range. In a good position to attack with Henderson in a bad position to defend, he lands a clean right.

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This gif is pretty similar to the one above, but the footwork is reversed. Instead of moving to his left for an inside angle, Pettis moves to his right in response to a rear leg kick and takes an outside angle. This one is pretty hard to see because of the camera switching at the exact moment he moves, but watch how he ends up in the center of the logo when he starts to the side of it. This footwork takes him away from the power of the kick while giving him a nice angle to land his right hand again, this time without a jab preceding it.

So hopefully this proves interesting for some of you. My challenge to you is to find fighters (in any combat sport, not just mma) who have good footwork and provide specific examples of them using it. This is especially for people who like to study fights, or who want to start studying them instead of just watching them. You don't necessarily have to provide gifs with in depth analysis like I did, but it'd be helpful to at least include a highlight/fight where the fighter demonstrates the skills you mention.

I'm really hoping people will participate because I think this will be a great chance for us to get a better appreciation and understanding of our favorite fighters, as well as to have conversations and think on a deeper level than "he's a dangerous striker with good footwork and blah blah vague, generalized nonsense".
 
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Awesome, awesome thread. I'll definitely be coming back in here later.

"Good footwork" is a bit like "hands up." It seems like a sensible thing to say until you start to actually think about it. Unfortunately, lots of folks seem to think that quick feet are equivalent to good footwork, hence lots of people saying that JDS has great footwork, or Frankie Edgar. They don't have the most appalling positioning in the world, but guys like that rely on speed and aggression to maintain defense while attacking. Pettis really is something special for MMA, the way he works himself into positions to land his strikes and avoid his opponents'.
 
Kindelan schooling a young khan in movement:




edit: kindelan surfing through first round
 
very good post and observations ,

but i think that its the technique used that created the oportunity rather than pettis choosing the angle .

gif # 1 ---pettis used a wading step to close the gap , where he actually steps forward on the cross , and then he delivers left high kick (he is a natural southpaw )

giff # 2 --- pettis uses a step up round kick , which can be turned into a step over round kick quite easily

giff # 3 -- pettis uses a step out or even a forward shuffle round kick to cerrones liver

giff # 4 -- pettis jumps off the fence for a knee , thats all pettis

giff # 5 --- pettis uses double forearm block and counters quikly off the contact of bendos mid round kick

giff # 6 -- same as above but off other stance

all these steps are a mix of tkd footwork / kicks and some good kickboxing coaching , pettis southpaw stance automatically puts him right in the pocket and optinum angle to deliver to the open side of his opponent , he doesnt have to adjust or look for the angle , he just has to do the closing motion .

pettis' ability to fight from a few feet away and close the gap with his footwork and kicking ability is what gives him the advantage , when people think of tkd they think of fancy kicks but in reality what pettis is doing is tkd mixed with really good kickboxing ,
 
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Word of advice: try to use actual yt clips instead of gifs. It makes the page load faster. Appreciative when folks are on mobile devices at times.
 
Sorry, a guy. I just got finished doing a whole bunch of analysis for a BE article, so I'm not up for more now, but I promise I'll be back sometime soon to talk a bunch about Machida and Conor McGregor. :)
 
Sorry, a guy. I just got finished doing a whole bunch of analysis for a BE article, so I'm not up for more now, but I promise I'll be back sometime soon to talk a bunch about Machida and Conor McGregor. :)



Looking forward to that!
 
man...this thread immediately made me think that i need to start kicking like Anthony Pettis. lol...not even close yet.

anyways, great writeup with appropriate illustrations. that Cowboy gif reminded me of watching the fight...bad outcome for one of my favorite fighters. the Diaz fight was another bad one for him. he's never in a dull fight though...wish i could kick like either of those guys (not Diaz lol).
 
Awesome, awesome thread. I'll definitely be coming back in here later.

"Good footwork" is a bit like "hands up." It seems like a sensible thing to say until you start to actually think about it. Unfortunately, lots of folks seem to think that quick feet are equivalent to good footwork, hence lots of people saying that JDS has great footwork, or Frankie Edgar. They don't have the most appalling positioning in the world, but guys like that rely on speed and aggression to maintain defense while attacking. Pettis really is something special for MMA, the way he works himself into positions to land his strikes and avoid his opponents'.

Exactly. And then there are guys who circle all the time when nothing is going on, but engage and disengage in straight lines. To the point where the circling beforehand isn't even being used to turn the opponent, just because it's something to do. Frankie Edgar can be one of them and it got him into trouble as he circled into hard punches against Maynard. And I'm a big fan of Junior, but he doesn't get a lot of angles (at least not with footwork, some people consider the level changes he performs during his body shots their own kind of angle) and sometimes moves straight back with his chin open.

very good post and observations ,

but i think that its the technique used that created the oportunity rather than pettis choosing the angle .

gif # 1 ---pettis used a wading step to close the gap , where he actually steps forward on the cross , and then he delivers left high kick (he is a natural southpaw )

giff # 2 --- pettis uses a step up round kick , which can be turned into a step over round kick quite easily

giff # 3 -- pettis uses a step out or even a forward shuffle round kick to cerrones liver

giff # 4 -- pettis jumps off the fence for a knee , thats all pettis

giff # 5 --- pettis uses double forearm block and counters quikly off the contact of bendos mid round kick

giff # 6 -- same as above but off other stance

all these steps are a mix of tkd footwork / kicks and some good kickboxing coaching , pettis southpaw stance automatically puts him right in the pocket and optinum angle to deliver to the open side of his opponent , he doesnt have to adjust or look for the angle , he just has to do the closing motion .

pettis' ability to fight from a few feet away and close the gap with his footwork and kicking ability is what gives him the advantage , when people think of tkd they think of fancy kicks but in reality what pettis is doing is tkd mixed with really good kickboxing ,

You make good points, and I just wanted to highlight the footwork that gets ignored but plays a large role in his success in each of those gifs. It's not the only factor and maybe not even the most important one in each gif, but it's still there to be appreciated and makes a difference. He's really good at using the right steps in the right ways to land his strikes, and knows how to change his kicks depending on his positioning. It's awesome to see.

Word of advice: try to use actual yt clips instead of gifs. It makes the page load faster. Appreciative when folks are on mobile devices at times.

Hm I never thought of that. I like gifs cause it's very easy to see what happens over and over and it's more convenient than pointing out specific times in videos, but that doesn't do anybody any good if the page won't load...maybe if I include links to the gifs or something?

If I make another post like the first one then I'll try it using an actual video, thanks for the advice.

Sorry, a guy. I just got finished doing a whole bunch of analysis for a BE article, so I'm not up for more now, but I promise I'll be back sometime soon to talk a bunch about Machida and Conor McGregor. :)

I look forward to reading both!

Kindelan schooling a young khan in movement:




edit: kindelan surfing through first round


I don't have time now but I'll watch these later and comment. Thanks for contributing


man...this thread immediately made me think that i need to start kicking like Anthony Pettis. lol...not even close yet.

anyways, great writeup with appropriate illustrations. that Cowboy gif reminded me of watching the fight...bad outcome for one of my favorite fighters. the Diaz fight was another bad one for him. he's never in a dull fight though...wish i could kick like either of those guys (not Diaz lol).

Haha tell me about it, he's something else with those kicks.

I hate watching the Diaz-Cerrone fight. I love Cowboy too and he doesn't look right in that fight. He has some great moments, but he just gets overwhelmed when Diaz pressures him with boxing and his defense doesn't hold up. I'm pretty sure he got kicked by a horse or something before that fight though, so I'll always have that as an excuse :icon_chee
 
I would love to train TKD under Pettis. His style is wonderful integration into kickboxing.
 
pettis' kickboxing coach is amazing and the greater part of his success , duke roufus has a ton of experience and knowledgeable about tkd and kickboxing , and makes pettis' style work for mma


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Roufus

Yeah I'm familiar with the name and hear it alot in kickboxing circles, but I have to admit I'm not as familiar with his body of work. I think I can relate as I never learned TKD from a "TKD" standpoint, but learned it from kickboxers initially for the intent of kickboxing. Had been "kickboxing" on and off for 5 years before EVER wearing a gi or dobak or learning a single form :eek:
 
I think Frankie Edgar has the some of the slickest footwork in the UFC. Here is a decent highlight reel of him.

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At around 1:10 he slips inside the jab and takes the inside angle with a beautiful short overhand right. Can't see his feet but it's a nice example of footwork. Also starting at 6:30 Frankie puts on a brilliant display of footwork (and head movement) coming off of a first round loss. I love his use of the pivot and lateral motion. He always seems to be out of range for his opponent while taking the angles and landing shots which is what good footwork is all about.
 
I think Frankie Edgar has the some of the slickest footwork in the UFC. Here is a decent highlight reel of him.

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At around 1:10 he slips inside the jab and takes the inside angle with a beautiful short overhand right. Can't see his feet but it's a nice example of footwork. Also starting at 6:30 Frankie puts on a brilliant display of footwork (and head movement) coming off of a first round loss. I love his use of the pivot and lateral motion. He always seems to be out of range for his opponent while taking the angles and landing shots which is what good footwork is all about.

I don't know about Edgar. He definitely moves a lot and he definitely moves fast, but I don't know if I'd say he has good footwork. I think it'd be more appropriate to say he has good defensive footwork. He does a great job of angling out after he engages (usually with a combined right hand and inside slip, followed by a step out to the left, very similar to a technique I know you like :)) and makes it difficult for opponent's to catch him on the way out. On the way in, however, is a different story.

He tends to rush them with alternating steps, but his punches aren't very linked with his footwork so he lacks power. The problem is, fighters know that Edgar's wrestling is very good so instead of standing their ground and countering with crisp shots, a lot of them try to retreat, but he moves forward too quickly so he manages to catch them. Notice how a lot of the time when Edgar rushes, he does it by leading with body shots. Like I was talking about in my thread about striking a grappler, the body shots are accompanied by a level change which, in this case, is being used by a wrestler to threaten the striker, instead of by a striker to neutralize the wrestler. It works both ways. However, if you watch this highlight of his fight with Aldo (a very confident striker with outstanding TDD) you'll see how hittable Edgar is when you exploit his aggressive footwork:


Really look at just how often Edgar lets himself end up completely square to Aldo.

Another big problem he has is that he often moves to the side, but rarely faces his opponents. For example, look at 2:03 of the video you posted. Penn actually has a good angle on him and even though he isn't landing, he's in a much better position than Edgar. This happens frequently because of the way Edgar steps in. It's fast, but it gets him in trouble against opponents who are smart and calm enough not to attempt outrunning him.
 
Kindelan schooling a young khan in movement:




edit: kindelan surfing through first round


Wow, that's exactly what I had in mind when I started the thread. Kindelan's movement was great to watch because he could move in any direction while in any range. He really showed how to be unpredictable and deceptive with his footwork and had his opponent following him around the ring.

There's a great sequence starting at 1:42 of the first video. He's circling to the left, then reverses direction with a lead right hook (from southpaw for anyone who didn't see the video) and uses it to get outside the opponent, then run him into a straight left that beats the opponent's straight right. Kindelan then throws a jab that misses as his opponent continues his momentum takes the outside angle, so Kindelan ducks Khan's right straight and pivots out to the left. It's beautiful, and I love his constant use of that right hook.

I also like how he took advantage of his opponent's quick feet. For example, at 2:45, they break away from the clinch and Kindelan hops back as Khan moves forward with a lot of momentum. Kindelan plants, lands a lightning fast 1-2 (that Khan runs into) from an outside angle and steps back in time to avoid the counter right. Good stuff.

Thanks a lot for this, this is exactly what I was hoping for.
 
Haha tell me about it, he's something else with those kicks.

I hate watching the Diaz-Cerrone fight. I love Cowboy too and he doesn't look right in that fight. He has some great moments, but he just gets overwhelmed when Diaz pressures him with boxing and his defense doesn't hold up. I'm pretty sure he got kicked by a horse or something before that fight though, so I'll always have that as an excuse :icon_chee

i think the horse thing was the Diaz fight. though, in looking to verify that, i just came across this...the quote below segwayed from the horse kicking him in the mouth story to this. i loved that Stephens fight...he put on a clinic against him. in case anyone was wondering, Cowboy is a badass:

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i think the horse thing was the Diaz fight. though, in looking to verify that, i just came across this...the quote below segwayed from the horse kicking him in the mouth story to this. i loved that Stephens fight...he put on a clinic against him. in case anyone was wondering, Cowboy is a badass:



http://rimmamoves.com/donald-cerrone-one-tough-cowboy/

Oh shit. I remember reading about the intestines being twisted but I didn't know about the dirt bike incident. A lot of people talk about fighting anyone anywhere, but how many would actually fight after getting kicked by a horse or getting their internal organs ripped out, then twisted once they went back inside? Badass is right.
 
Oh shit. I remember reading about the intestines being twisted but I didn't know about the dirt bike incident. A lot of people talk about fighting anyone anywhere, but how many would actually fight after getting kicked by a horse or getting their internal organs ripped out, then twisted once they went back inside? Badass is right.

when are you gonna add the Conor McGregor/Machida stuff? or was that Discipulus?
 
I don't know about Edgar. He definitely moves a lot and he definitely moves fast, but I don't know if I'd say he has good footwork. I think it'd be more appropriate to say he has good defensive footwork. He does a great job of angling out after he engages (usually with a combined right hand and inside slip, followed by a step out to the left, very similar to a technique I know you like :)) and makes it difficult for opponent's to catch him on the way out. On the way in, however, is a different story.

He tends to rush them with alternating steps, but his punches aren't very linked with his footwork so he lacks power. The problem is, fighters know that Edgar's wrestling is very good so instead of standing their ground and countering with crisp shots, a lot of them try to retreat, but he moves forward too quickly so he manages to catch them. Notice how a lot of the time when Edgar rushes, he does it by leading with body shots. Like I was talking about in my thread about striking a grappler, the body shots are accompanied by a level change which, in this case, is being used by a wrestler to threaten the striker, instead of by a striker to neutralize the wrestler. It works both ways. However, if you watch this highlight of his fight with Aldo (a very confident striker with outstanding TDD) you'll see how hittable Edgar is when you exploit his aggressive footwork:


Really look at just how often Edgar lets himself end up completely square to Aldo.

Another big problem he has is that he often moves to the side, but rarely faces his opponents. For example, look at 2:03 of the video you posted. Penn actually has a good angle on him and even though he isn't landing, he's in a much better position than Edgar. This happens frequently because of the way Edgar steps in. It's fast, but it gets him in trouble against opponents who are smart and calm enough not to attempt outrunning him.


Glad someone said it..because I get bashed alot for saying the same thing, Edgar has active footwork and consistent footwork; its not really all that good. He just moves alot and doesn't slow...I.e. he doesn't ever really stop moving; his footwork isnt bad per se, but its not nearly as good as its made out to be. In someways he is very similar to Micheal bisping..in that his activity and conditioning are the foundation for any effectiveness his footwork has...

He circles and circles, then dives in with offense when ur out of position and then he angles out; but against more disciplined and tech guys, he gets met at the point of contact and countered... WHen he gets hit then followed ...pressured he moves straight back and gets chased down. His footwork isnt terribly complex...he just uses more of it and never gets away from it.
 
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