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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya

"Taqiya (Arabic: تقیة‎‎ taqiyyah/taqīyah, literally "prudence, fear, caution")[1][2] is an Islamic term referring to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution.[3][4][1][5] Another term for this concept, kitmān (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.[6][7]"

This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion.[3][8] However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.[9][10]"

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"Etymology and related terms[edit]
The term taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة‎‎ taqiyyah/taqīyah) is derived from the Arabic triliteral root wāw-qāf-yā, denoting "fear", or "prudence, guarding against (a danger)".[16] In the sense of "prudence, fear" it can be used synonymously with the terms tuqa(n), tuqāt, taqwā and ittiqāʾ, derived from the same root.[6] These terms also have other meanings. For example, the term taqwa can mean "piety" (lit. "fear [of God]").[17] An alternative term for religious dissimulation is kitmān "action of covering, dissimulation".[6] The terms taqiyya and kitman may be used synonymously, although the former has the more inclusive meaning of "dissimulation" in general, while the later refers to the "concealment" of one's convictions by silence or omission.[7]

Quranic basis[edit]
The technical meaning of the term taqiyya is derived from the Quranic reference to religious dissimulation in Sura 3:28:

"Let not the believers take the unbelievers for protectors rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully (illā an tattaqū minhum tuqāt)."
The two words tattaqū ("you fear") and tuqāt "in fear" are derived from the same root as taqiya, and use of the abstract noun taqiya in reference to the general principle described in this passage is first recorded in a Qur'anic gloss by Al-Bukhari (9th century).[18]

Regarding 3:28, Ibn Kathir writes, "meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly." He quotes Muhammad's companion, Abu Ad-Darda', who said "we smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them," and Al-Hasan who said "the Tuqyah is acceptable till the Day of Resurrection."[19]

A similar instance of the Qur'an permitting dissimulation under compulsion is found in Sura 16:106.[20] Sunni and Shia commentators alike observe that verse 16:106 refers to the case of 'Ammar b. Yasir, who was forced to renounce his beliefs under physical duress and torture.[7]"

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Shia Islam view[edit]
Twelver Shia view[edit]
The doctrine of taqiyya was developed at the time of Ja'far al-Sadiq (d. 148 AH/765 AD), the sixth Imamiya Imam. It served to protect Shias when Al-Mansur, the Abbasid caliph, conducted a brutal and oppressive campaign against Alids and their supporters.[21] Religious dissimulation or Taqiyya while maintaining mental reservation is considered lawful in Shi'ism "in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby". Shi'is lived mostly as a minority among a frequently-hostile Sunni majority- until the rise of Safavid dynasty. This condition made taqiyya doctrine important to Shias.[8]

Taqiyya holds a central place in Twelver Shia Islam. This is sometimes explained by the minority position Shias had under the political dominance of Sunni Muslims, requiring them to protect themselves through concealment and dissimulation. In Shia legal literature, there is a range of situations in which taqiyya may be used or even required. For Shia Muslims, taqiyya is to conceal their association with their faith when revealing it would result in danger. Taqiyya is done for reasons of safety. For example, a person may fear that he might be killed or harmed if he does not observe taqiyya. In this case, taqiyya is allowed. However, in some circumstances taqiyya may lead to the death of an innocent person; if so, it is not permissible; it is haraam (forbidden) to kill a human being to save one's own life.[22] Some Shias, though, advance taqiyya as a form of jihad, a sort of fighting against their adversaries.[23]

Others relate it to the esoteric nature of early Shia Islam. The knowledge (Ilm) given to the Imams by God had to be protected and the truth would have to be hidden before the uninitiated or their adversaries until the coming of the Twelfth Imam, when this knowledge and ultimate meaning can become known to everyone.[24][25]

Religious rulings of the Shia Imams was also influenced by taqiyya. Without it, basic articles of early Shiism do not make sense and lose coherence because of contradictions. Some of the traditions from the Imams make taqiyya a central element of Shiism: "He who has no taqiyya has no faith"; "he who forsakes taqiyya is like him who forsakes prayer"; "taqiyya is the believers shield, but for taqiyya, God would not have been worshipped". It is unclear whether those traditions only refer to taqiyya under risk or also taqiyya to conceal the esoteric doctrines of Shiism.[26] Many Shias today deny that taqiyya has any significance in their religion.[27]

Ismaili Shia view[edit]

For the Ismailis in the aftermath of the Mongol onslaught of the Alamut state in 1256 CE, the need to practice taqiyya became necessary, not only for the protection of the community itself, which was now stateless, but also for safeguarding the line of the Nizari Ismaili Imamate during this period of unrest.[28] Accordingly, the Shia Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq stated "Taqiyya is my religion and the religion of my ancestors",[22] a tradition recorded in various sources including Kitāb al-Maḥāsin of Aḥmad b. Muhammad al-Barqī and the Da‘ā’im al-Islām of al-Qāḍī al-Nu‘mān.[29] Such periods in which the Imams are concealed are known as satr, however the term may also refer to times when the Imams were not physically hidden from view but rather when the community was required to practice precautionary dissimulation. During satr the Imam could only be accessed by his community and in extremely dangerous circumstances, would be accessible only to the highest-ranking members of the Ismaili hierarchy (ḥudūd), whose function it was to transmit the teachings of the Imam to the community.

According to Shia scholar Muhammad Husain Javari Sabinal, Shiism would not have spread at all if not for taqiyya, referring to instances where Shia have been ruthlessly persecuted by the Sunni political elite during the Umayyad and Abbasid empires.[30] Indeed, for the Ismailis, the persistence and prosperity of the community today owes largely to the careful safeguarding of the beliefs and teachings of the Imams during the Ilkhanate, the Safawid dynasty, and other periods of persecution.[citation needed]

Alawite view[edit]
Alawites beliefs have never been confirmed by their modern religious authorities.[31] Alawites tend to conceal their beliefs (taqiyya) due to historical persecution.[32] Some tenets of the faith are secret, known only to a select few;[33][34] therefore, they have been described as a mystical sect.[35] Alawites celebrate Islamic festivals, their most-important feast is Eid al-Ghadeer.

Druze view[edit]
Because of the Druze's Ismaili Shia origin, they have also been associated with taqiyya. When the Druze were a minority being persecuted they took the appearance of another religion externally, usually the ruling religion in the area, and for the most part adhered to Muslim customs by this practice.[36]"

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Sunni Islam view[edit]
The basic principle of taqiyya is agreed upon by Sunni scholars, though they tend to restrict it to dealing with non-Muslims and when under compulsion (ikrāh), while Shia jurists also allow it in interactions with Muslims and in all necessary matters (ḍarūriyāt).[37] In Sunni jurisprudence protecting one's belief during extreme or exigent circumstances is called idtirar (إضطرار), which translates to "being forced" or "being coerced", and this word is not specific to concealing the faith; for example, under the jurisprudence of idtirar one is allowed to consume prohibited food to avoid starving to death.[38] Additionally, denying one's faith under duress is "only at most permitted and not under all circumstances obligatory".[10] Al-Tabari comments on sura XVI, verse 106 (Tafsir, Bulak 1323, xxiv, 122): "If any one is compelled and professes unbelief with his tongue, while his heart contradicts him, in order to escape his enemies, no blame falls on him, because God takes his servants as their hearts believe." This verse was recorded after Ammar Yasir was forced by the idolaters of Mecca to recant his faith and denounce the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Al-Tabari explains that concealing one's faith is only justified if the person is in mortal danger, and even then martyrdom is considered a noble alternative. If threatened, it would be preferable for a Muslim to migrate to a more peaceful place where a person may practice their faith openly, "since God's earth is wide."[10] In Hadith, in the Sunni commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, known as the Fath al-Bari, it is stated that:[39]

أجمعوا على أن من أكره على الكفر واختار القتل أنه أعظم أجرا عند الله ممن اختار الرخصة ، وأما غير الكفر فإن أكره على أكل الخنزير وشرب الخمر مثلا فالفعل أولى

Which translates to:

There is a consensus that whomsoever is forced into apostasy and chooses death has a greater reward than a person who takes the license [to deny one's faith under duress], but if a person is being forced to eat pork or drink wine, then they should do that [instead of choosing death].

Examples[edit]
When Mamun became caliph (813 AD), he tried to impose his religious views on the status of the Qur'an over all his subjects, in an ordeal called the mihna, or "inquisition". His views were disputed, and many of those who refused to follow his views were imprisoned, tortured, or threatened with the sword.[40] Some Sunni scholars chose to affirm Mamun's view that the Qur'an was created in spite of their beliefs,[7] though a notable exception to this was noted scholar and theologian Ahmad ibn Hanbal, who chose to endure torture rather than to lie.[41]

Following the end of the Reconquista of the Iberian Peninsula in 1492, Muslims were persecuted by the Catholic Monarchs and forced to convert to Christianity or face expulsion. The principle of taqiyya became very important for Muslims during the Inquisition in sixteenth century Spain, as it allowed them to convert to Christianity while remaining crypto-Muslims, practicing Islam in secret. In 1504, Ubayd Allah al-Wahrani, a Maliki mufti in Oran, issued a fatwā allowing Muslims to make extensive use of concealment in order to maintain their faith.[5][42][43] This is seen as an exceptional case, since Islamic law prohibits conversion except in cases of mortal danger, and even then requires recantation as quickly as possible,[44] and al-Wahrani's reasoning diverged from that of the majority of earlier Maliki Faqīhs such as Al-Wansharisi.[43]"

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If you are an honest poster, peruse any and every Islamic website on the subject. Peruse every anti-Islamic website.

Things you'll discover: a) the word exists (or al-Taqiyya and/or one of its many renditions); b) the word is derived from Arabic and in technical meaning straight from the Qur'an and Hadith; c) all Islamic sects practice it, d) all deny the negative connotation/association.
 
From A Shi'ite Encyclopedia:

https://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/al-taqiyya-dissimulation-part-1

"Today, I would like to present the concept of "al-Taqiyya”in the following exposition."

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"The interminable negative propaganda that people are bombarded with on a daily basis serves to nurture feelings of animosity and disbelief towards the Shi’a; additionally, it may promote the explicit denial of proven facts and truths."

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"I intend to demonstrate and prove that the concept of "al-Taqiyya”is an integral part of Islam, and that it is NOT a Shi’ite concoction.

As usual, the two perspectives, the Sunnis and the Shi’a, will be presented to maintain a level of fairness and integrity in the reporting of this topic."

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Introduction
The word "al-Taqiyya”literally means: "Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.”A one-word translation would be "Dissimulation."

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"Sunni Sources In Support Of Al-Taqiyya
The following exposition will Insha Allah demonstrate the existence of al-Taqiyya in the Qur’an, Hadith, the Prophet’s (S) custom, and the companions’ custom. As usual, Sunni books will be used to further the argument. This is in keeping with the commitment to reveal the truth by showing that the Sunnis reject the Shi’a’s arguments, while their own books are replete (full) with the same ideologies that the Shi’a uphold!

Although some Wahhabis staunchly argue their aforementioned statements, and aggressively defame the Shi’a and refute their doctrines, they have failed to explain the validity of their argument vis-a-vis the existence of these same doctrines in their own books, as has been demonstrated in all the past posts about the Shi’a"

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In this linked article, 14 references of Sunni justification for al-Taqiyya are given. I'll touch on a few (though they're all worth reading) that are the clearest cases of acceptable lying for practically any reason.

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"Reference 2
Ibn Abbas also commented on the above verse, as narrated in Sunan al- Bayhaqi and Mustadrak al-Hakim, by saying:

"al-Taqiyya is the uttering of the tongue, while the heart is comfortable with faith."

Note: The meaning is that the tongue is permitted to utter anything in a time of need, as long as the heart is not affected; and one is still comfortable with faith."

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Reference 8
It is narrated in al-Sirah al-Halabiyyah, v3, p61, that:

After the conquest of the city of Khaybar by the Muslims, the Prophet (S) was approached by Hajaj Ibn `Aalat and told: "O Prophet of Allah: I have in Mecca some excess wealth and some relatives, and I would like to have them back; am I excused if I bad-mouth you (to escape persecution)?”The Prophet (S) excused him and said:

"Say whatever you have to say."

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It was permissible for Hajaj Ibn 'Aalat by Muhammad to return to Mecca and retrieve "some excess wealth and some relatives," but to get them he'd have to bad-mouth Muhammad (or lie to escape persecution). This is one of the clearest examples of "justification" of lying for obtaining that I've ever seen. The obvious problem here, is that it sets a low and subjective bar for acceptable lying: accumulation of "excess wealth" being one acceptable instance.

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"Reference 10
Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti in his book, "al-Ashbah Wa al-Naza’ir,”affirms that:

"it is acceptable (for a Muslim) to eat the meat of a dead animal at a time of great hunger (starvation to the extent that the stomach is devoid of all food); and to loosen a bite of food (for fear of choking to death) by alcohol; and to utter words of unbelief; and if one is living in an environment where evil and corruption are the pervasive norm, and permissible things (Halal) are the exception and a rarity, then one can utilize whatever is available to fulfill his needs."

Note: The reference to the consumption of a dead animal is meant to illustrate that even forbidden things become permissible in a time of need."

"Reference 12
Narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari, v7, p102, that Abu al-Darda’ said:

"(Verily) we smile for some people, while our hearts curse (those same people)."

"Reference 14
Narrated in Sahih Muslim (English version), Chapter 1077 v4, p1373, Tradition #6303:

Humaid b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of ‘Uqba b. Abu Mu’ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).

The (Sunni) commentator of this volume of Sahih Muslim, Abdul Hamid Siddiqi, provides the following commentary:

Telling of a lie is a grave sin but a Muslim is permitted to tell a lie in some exceptional cases, and this permission is given especially on three occasions: in case of battle for bringing reconciliation amongst the hostile Muslims and for bringing reconciliation between the husband and the wife. On the analogy (Qiyas) of these three cases, the scholars of Hadith have pointed out some other exemptions:

for saving the life and honor of innocent person from the highhandedness of tyrants and oppressors if one finds no other way to save them.

Notice that neither the above tradition nor the commentary are concerned with dealing with non-Muslims only."
 
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As Shia are slandered by the majority Sunni sect regarding this topic are generally given sole negative ownership of the doctrine, I'll just post the link to the breakdown of that sect's view and further breakdown on the topic:

https://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/al-taqiyya-dissimulation-part-2

https://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/al-taqiyya-dissimulation-part-3

I also want to include an example from a Shia forum:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234990594-would-this-be-considered-taqiyya/

"[Question]: I come from a Sunni family, and I am now Shia, but I can't tell them or they will disown me. Would this be taqqiya?

thanks

[Answer]: Yes, that is Taqiyya

Taqiyya means to conceal your belief to others."

Now, if you want to be really confused read this:

https://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/al-taqiyya-dissimulation-part-3

"Some people have fallen victim to confusing al-Taqiyya with hypocrisy, when in fact they (al-Taqiyya and Hypocrisy) are two opposite extremes. al- Taqiyya is concealing faith and displaying nonbelief; while Hypocrisy is the concealment of unbelief and the display of belief. They are TOTAL opposites in function, form, and meaning.

The Qur’an reveals the nature of hypocrisy with the following verse:

"When they meet those who believe, they say: `We Believe;’ but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: `We are really with you, we (were) only jesting (2:14)."

The Qur’an then reveals al-Taqiyya with the following verses:

"A Believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had CONCEALED his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, `My Lord is Allah’?....(40:28)”(Emphasis Mine.)

Also:

"Any one who, after accepting Faith in Allah, utters unbelief, EXCEPT under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith -- but such as open their breast to unbelief, -- on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Chastisement (16:106).”(Emphasis Mine.)

And also:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, (they) shall have no relation left with Allah except by way of precaution ("tat-taqooh"), that ye may guard yourselves ("tooqatan") from them....(3:28)"

How on earth are you to know and trust any Muslim when their most-sacred texts sanction and confuse the issue of basic honesty?

And finally, from the same link:

"al-Imam Ja’far al-Sadiq (as) (The Sixth Imam of Ahlul-Bayt) said:

"al-Taqiyya is my religion, and the religion of my ancestors.”He (as)also said: "He who doesn’t practice al-Taqiyya, doesn’t practice his religion."

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Why did I make this thread?

I made it because I am tired of the lying about Taqiya on this forum and that takes place continuously by Muslims to the West. It is not a made-up word by The Great Satan/The West.

See it for what it is: Taqiya about Taqiya.

And for a great related article titled with the aforementioned phrase (and of which posters in here will no doubt denounce), I present you Taqiyya about Taqiyya by Raymond Ibrahim:

http://raymondibrahim.com/2014/04/12/taqiyya-about-taqiyya/

A few youtube clips on the topic of Taqiya:







 
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Muslims are told to lie to non believers. Is normal.






RELIGION OF PEACE is a lie. Is normal.
 
What TS is saying is that Islam is SO FUCKING VIOLENT that the different sects all had to lie to each other so they didn't get slaughtered non stop. Muslims terrified of each so badly that they have a code of conduct to lie to not get murdered by each other.

Yet it isn't working. Muslims kill each other every day, and kill non Muslims everyday. The cancer is spreading.
 
What TS is saying is that Islam is SO FUCKING VIOLENT that the different sects all had to lie to each other so they didn't get slaughtered non stop. Muslims terrified of each so badly that they have a code of conduct to lie to not get murdered by each other.

Yet it isn't working. Muslims kill each other every day, and kill non Muslims everyday. The cancer is spreading.

I'm also saying that lying by Muslims to Westerners is constant about the nature and practice of Islam. It happens in the WR continually.

Link this thread whenever you see an Islam-apologist or Muslim who's not admitting it and then laughs or scoffs the word taqiyya like it's some Western invention.
 
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Wow, this is a lot of reading. I'll have a bash when I'm sober and edit this post.
 
I'm the only one that thought TS was talking about Shaniqua's cousin?
 
good thread

their religion teaches them that while theyre a minority, they can lie their asses off to appear nonthreatening. then when theres enough of them, they turn on the dumbass who let them in

muslims have been waging wars constantly for centuries and centuries. just look at how much theyre killing each other right now, how can you honestly believe they are peaceful? you can literally witness, RIGHT NOW, what muslim countries look like, how do expect them to act completely differently just because they are telling you they will?
 
good thread

their religion teaches them that while theyre a minority, they can lie their asses off to appear nonthreatening. then when theres enough of them, they turn on the dumbass who let them in

muslims have been waging wars constantly for centuries and centuries. just look at how much theyre killing each other right now, how can you honestly believe they are peaceful? you can literally witness, RIGHT NOW, what muslim countries look like, how do expect them to act completely differently just because they are telling you they will?

We are in a war with a lying cult.
 
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Yeah I wonder what all the libs that don't know dick about Islam but still defend it would think about Taqqiyah.
 
Yeah, Muslims all lie to each other and non Muslims, we're fucking savages and can't be trusted.

So many of you have an extremely narrow world view and will believe anything as long as it fits your narrative that Muslims are the evil ones.

Meanwhile I'll keep reading books that exposes the insane hypocrisy that is the U.S. when it comes to imperialism. But the guy who sold you a kebab when you were out last friday night, he's the evil one. Mhm...

This is the shit what I mean, demonisation like that makes it easier to sell people war (either directly, or through proxy) against Muslim nations, cause you have ignorant people like the TS, and all the other usual suspects who probably all get their daily Islam hatred from Jihadwatch, or religionofpeace and convince themselves that Islam and thus Muslims are an enemy to everything that's good.
And let's not even mention a lot of the stuff that is in these websites fail to stand up to scrutiny when you explore the sources.

It's like freaking 1984 here. Muslims and Islam is Goldstein.

Also you're obsessed with Islam.

Edit: Just to append my post to illustrate how much of sociopaths you lot are, and yes I'll use that word, cause it's clear you have zero empathy with Muslims, and I doubt at this point some of you even see them as humans. Just look at the Turkey thread;

The concept is to lie if you're facing grave danger, you know.. like death.

Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment;


Second edit: Since I have the audacity to actually not act like a hysterical person full of fear and hatred of something I have no knowledge about other than the usual websites, I can already see now the many replies to my posts demanding answers and what not from the usual people who are not above of shitting on Muslims whenever they die.

And given that I'm only one man, and that I have other things to do, I might come back later and respond, or I might just leave the thread so you lot can masturbate each other and revel in your "insight" on what an evil religion Islam is, and that anyone that is a Muslim is a retard and believes in a pedo.
 
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Yeah, Muslims all lie to each other and non Muslims, we're fucking savages and can't be trusted.

So many of you have an extremely narrow world view and will believe anything as long as it fits your narrative that Muslims are the evil ones.

Meanwhile I'll keep reading books that exposes the insane hypocrisy that is the U.S. when it comes to imperialism. But the guy who sold you a kebab when you were out last friday night, he's the evil one. Mhm...

This is the shit what I mean, demonisation like that makes it easier to sell people war (either directly, or through proxy) against Muslim nations, cause you have ignorant people like the TS, and all the other usual suspects who probably all get their daily Islam hatred from Jihadwatch, or religionofpeace and convince themselves that Islam and thus Muslims are an enemy to everything that's good.
And let's not even mention a lot of the stuff that is in these websites fail to stand up to scrutiny when you explore the sources.

It's like freaking 1984 here. Muslims and Islam is Goldstein.

Also you're obsessed with Islam.

A muslim in Europe ?

why didn't you or your family move to one of those rich muslim nations? Why did you head to Europe ?

Tell me what nation anywhere benefited by an ever increasing number of muslims ? and what happened to the non muslims.
 
Yeah, Muslims all lie to each other and non Muslims, we're fucking savages and can't be trusted.

So many of you have an extremely narrow world view and will believe anything as long as it fits your narrative that Muslims are the evil ones.

Meanwhile I'll keep reading books that exposes the insane hypocrisy that is the U.S. when it comes to imperialism. But the guy who sold you a kebab when you were out last friday night, he's the evil one. Mhm...

This is the shit what I mean, demonisation like that makes it easier to sell people war (either directly, or through proxy) against Muslim nations, cause you have ignorant people like the TS, and all the other usual suspects who probably all get their daily Islam hatred from Jihadwatch, or religionofpeace and convince themselves that Islam and thus Muslims are an enemy to everything that's good.
And let's not even mention a lot of the stuff that is in these websites fail to stand up to scrutiny when you explore the sources.

It's like freaking 1984 here. Muslims and Islam is Goldstein.

Also you're obsessed with Islam.

You'll notice I didn't use any of the websites you mentioned. I used Wikipedia. And I used Muslim websites (until the ending of the third post).

Taqiya is NOT a Western or European or Christian or Atheist or Buddhist or Hindu or Republican invention. It is an Arabic, Quranic one.

I made this thread because I am sick and tired of Muslims and Islam-apologists scoffing at the word and people in here pretending it doesn't exist except in the mind of bigots.
 
So for all the islamophobes, there is a short summarize :

- If a muslim is a terrorist / murderer : Normal

- If you meet a nice muslim, who's living his life like everyone else : Be careful, "Taqiya"
 
So for all the islamophobes, there is a short summarize :

- If a muslim is a terrorist / murderer : Normal

- If you meet a nice muslim, who's living his life like everyone else : Be careful, "Taqiya"

Completely.
 
So for all the islamophobes, there is a short summarize :

- If a muslim is a terrorist / murderer : Normal

- If you meet a nice muslim, who's living his life like everyone else : Be careful, "Taqiya"

Do you believe the word taqiya is a non-Muslim invention or an Arabic word derived directly from the Qur'an?
 
Do you believe the word taqiya is a non-Muslim invention or an Arabic word derived directly from the Qur'an?

I'm well aware that Taqiya actually exists and it's not a non-muslim invention.
 
I'm well aware that Taqiya actually exists and it's not a non-muslim invention.

Great. That was the point of this thread. For about the last couple of years in here (and maybe longer) the word is scarcely used except in mockery or with a snear at Western ignorance and bigotry.

This word is often brought up and discussed on Muslim forums, regardless of sect. It is practiced consciously and subconsciously by Muslims in The West. The value is diametrically opposed to Western and Christian values.

I'll requote part of my first post to show how subjective lies can be used in Islam:

Reference 8
It is narrated in al-Sirah al-Halabiyyah, v3, p61, that:

After the conquest of the city of Khaybar by the Muslims, the Prophet (S) was approached by Hajaj Ibn `Aalat and told: "O Prophet of Allah: I have in Mecca some excess wealth and some relatives, and I would like to have them back; am I excused if I bad-mouth you (to escape persecution)?”The Prophet (S) excused him and said:

"Say whatever you have to say."

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It was permissible for Hajaj Ibn 'Aalat by Muhammad to return to Mecca and retrieve "some excess wealth and some relatives," but to get them he'd have to bad-mouth Muhammad (or lie to escape persecution). This is one of the clearest examples of "justification" of lying for obtaining that I've ever seen. The obvious problem here, is that it sets a low and subjective bar for acceptable lying: accumulation of "excess wealth" being one acceptable instance."
 
Taqiyya and it's variations in action:



The gall of this woman inviting the Jewish speaker to Hitler youth week. Her question/speech, of course, was filled with lies.
 
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