5 nightmare HW match-ups for Daniel Cormier (past & present)

[Claude]

Fedor "in his prime" would've beaten DC...right...So Fedor, who we can all admit is at least 7 years past his prime (when the three fight skid started) would've put him at 34 years old...DC, who is currently at the top of his game is currently 38 year old...by this logic, DC would've been out of his prime 3 years ago, yet he is still arguably the best (clean) fighter in the world.

Cormier has aged like wine, Fedor has aged like milk. At the same age, Fedor was losing to Hendo, Werdum, and Bigfoot while DC was beating Mir, Big Country, Hendo. DC is the better HW, hands-down.

Newbie post.

Age =/= prime

DC started MMA at 30. Fedor had over 25 fights at that age.

Cheers.

 

[Claude]

Here is the problem, is your #2 going to be juiced or non juiced? In the USADA era, CC wouldn't even make it to the fight because he would be flagged immediately!

Well that depends. Is DC juicing or not?

And LOL and putting Stipe hon mention below Nog and Fedor.

Stipe has never fought an elite wrestler. There's no proof he's a worse match-up for DC.

These types of threads are so predictable, same people will comment and like each other commens...fedorists lol. Not sure why you guys are so insecure?

If it triggers you so much then why click on it?

Has DC ever fought an elite bjj fighter on the ground in his entire MMA career? Answer is NO!

Fixed.

Even though he fought BJJ greats like Mir (who subbed Nog btw), Anderson Silva, Barnett, and Monson and was NEVER close to being subbed. But he is going to get subbed by Nog for sure lol.

That's about it.

He didn't fight Mir on the ground - irrelevant.
Barnett - Had a broken hand from the 1st round
Anderson - lol
Monson - lol

Cheers.

 

[Towerworld]

Newbie post.

Age =/= prime

DC started MMA at 30. Fedor had over 25 fights at that age.

Cheers.

Look at muay thai is Saenchai crying about being past prime and losing to bums now that he's fought 361 times in a more damaging sport?

 

[Claude]

DC and Couture might not have had the head trauma accumulation, but wrestling isn’t necessarily playing paddy cake. In particular, DC came into mma with more old injuries than your typical novices. Sure, they were new to mma, but they came with a lifetime of high level training from an intense, physical sport.

Fedor competed in judo and sambo before MMA.
Nog competed in bjj and started MMA at 23.

These guys had a lifetime of training as well, PLUS they started MMA much earlier.

 

[Claude]

Look at muay thai is Saenchai crying about being past prime and losing to bums now that he's fought 361 times in a more damaging sport?

 

[Bubblun]

I can see you're triggered now.

It's amusing to see you didn't adress any of my points above. But that's OK, I know you have no rebuttal.

By poor sub awareness I'm specifically talking about when he rests one of his arms on his opponent's torso. Perhaps you can't see it well in that picture but he's often resting his right arm on Barnett's chest while punching with the other.

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And he did that earlier in the fight as well. It's amazing how many times he left one of his arms laying around while punching with the other. He's lucky Barnett ain't Fedor.

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And allow me to remind you that you think having a bjj brown belt and training with high level coaches is enough for a fighter not to get subbed from guard by an elite bjj fighter, so I think you should question your own knowledge before you question mine.

Cheers.

In both those images Cormier has his posture low, has inside control and he is free to hit Barnett.
His elbows were always in the right position, on the outside, and close to his knees preventing Barnett hips to move too much.

Simply put, Cormier was doing everything right, and you are an idiot that not even understand what he is talking about, but at the same time you are so full of yourself that you made a whole thread about something you have no clue.
Congrats.

 

[Area809]

Fedor competed in judo and sambo before MMA.
Nog competed in bjj and started MMA at 23.

These guys had a lifetime of training as well, PLUS they started MMA much earlier.

Not sure you know just how grueling wrestling is, that you would dare compare it to bjj or judo training. Specially considering the high levels of wrestling DC was involved in all his life.

 

[Claude]

In both those images Cormier has his posture low, has inside control and he is free to hit Barnett.
His elbows were always in the right position, on the outside, and close to his knees preventing Barnett hips to move too much.

Simply put, Cormier was doing everything right, and you are an idiot that not even understand what he is talking about, but at the same time you are so full of yourself that you made a whole thread about something you have no clue.
Congrats.

You mean like this?

That's Fedor's armbar starting postion. DC is leaving enough of space to move the hips.

In fact Barnett went for a triangle seconds afterwards.



DC is not only leaving enough space but he's also clearly isolating and resting one of his arms on his opponent's torso, and apparently that's 100% OK.

Tell me more Mr. bjj expert.

Cheers.

 

[Claude]

Not sure you know just how grueling wrestling is, that you would dare compare it to bjj or judo training. Specially considering the high levels of wrestling DC was involved in all his life.

More grueling than this?

Fedor and Nog had been doing that ^ long before Cormier made his debut.

You can't compare their mileage. Sorry. It's no coincidence that a guy who started in his 30's can still remain competitive, while guys who start in their early 20's rarely stay competitive in their late 30's.

You want to believe it's DC's talent what keeps him on top at this age? Go ahead.

 

[Bubblun]

You mean like this?

That's Fedor's armbar starting postion. DC is leaving enough of space to move the hips.

In fact Barnett went for a triangle seconds afterwards.

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DC is not only leaving enough space but he's also clearly isolating and resting one of his arms on his opponent's torso, and apparently that's 100% OK.

Tell me more Mr. bjj expert.

Cheers.

That's Fedor armbar in a drill that everybody uses before training in every judo and bjj academy, just to warm up the hips, not realistic and the uke is not putting resistance and leaving space on purpose.
Cormier has the elbows in, is ready to follow the hips if they move outside the centerline and is not leaving space.
Barnett actually made a whole dvd about it, watch it https://www.budovideos.com/products/attacking-the-guard-dvd-by-josh-barnett


Barnett having a triangle means nothing if he doesn't control the posture, Cormier is "watching the ceiling", he is not in danger.


Just having this debate is insanity, every guy that is in a closed guard would be in danger if Cormier was in danger in those pics.
Pure hypothetical fantasy speculation by the blind nut hugger.

 

[Toco]

Ground and pound is pretty irrelevant when he'd knock Nog out on the feet just as easily as Mir and Cain did

Defending punches with your face is a terrible idea against a guy as fast as DC

Also lol at wrist control and what you describe as "one arm in one out". This isn't 2006 anymore

DANIEL CORMIER would knock PRIME BIG NOG OUT. jesus fucking christ, maybe the worst post in sherdog history

 

[ArmenianAssasin]

stupid list

his nightmare matchup would be more of the prime Mark Coleman type

much larger bigger stronger wrestler take him down and grind him out

 

[Area809]

More grueling than this?

Fedor and Nog had been doing that ^ long before Cormier made his debut.

You can't compare their mileage. Sorry. It's no coincidence that a guy who started in his 30's can still remain competitive, while guys who start in their early 20's rarely stay competitive in their late 30's.

You want to believe it's DC's talent what keeps him on top at this age? Go ahead.

Even more impressive, DC started mma past his physical prime. It’s been stated many times that a good amount of training injuries in mma come from wrestling. Again, the guy wasn’t playing paddy cake as a world class wrestler. He wasn’t exactly a fresh body coming into mma at 30. At 30 years old, not only are you already a little old to start a new sport, but add the fact that dude had already been wrestling for almost 20 years at that point, he is not exactly a fresh 38 year old fighter.

 

[Sapp]

Fedor and Nog had been doing that ^ long before Cormier made his debut.

You can't compare their mileage. Sorry. It's no coincidence that a guy who started in his 30's can still remain competitive, while guys who start in their early 20's rarely stay competitive in their late 30's.

You want to believe it's DC's talent what keeps him on top at this age? Go ahead.

Knee injuries, kidney failure, thousands of hours of mat time, hundreds of weight cuts, 13+ years of competition at the highest level. The S&C of elite wrestling is at least as grueling if not more. Less concussions, obviously, but if we're just talking about miles on the body, would be absurd to argue DC came into the sport as some kind of fresh 30 year old.

 

[smart.feller]

Newbie post.

Age =/= prime

DC started MMA at 30. Fedor had over 25 fights at that age.

Cheers.

Newbie post? Check the join date.

If there is no correlation to age equaling prime, how do we determine when an athlete is in their prime? When they won the most? It can’t be the mileage, because it’s not like DC wasn’t training his ass off his entire life dealing with injuries and more. So it must be when they win the most...

I’ll tell you when Fedor won the most...when he wasn’t drug tested. Then his ass gets handed to him three times in a row, he flees America back to no testing land, and rattles off what...5 in a row? And then comes back to America and is staring at the lights again?

So maybe it’s not just wins and losses...maybe athletic prime is when an athlete’s testosterone levels are the highest. In Fedor’s case, as we can track his career’s decline, we can assume that was in a land where testing didn’t occur. (Correlation, not causation)

Now I’m not implying that an athlete hailing from a country that is currently embroiled in the largest state-sponsored international steroid scandal ever was a cheat, I have no proof of that whatsoever, I’m just pointing out that said athlete had greater success when testing wasn’t applied and their performance suffered greatly when they were under constant scrutiny.

But of course prime isn’t determined by age...I’m agreeing with you...it’s determined by the athletes performance, and the athlete who has always been under IOC or USADA scrutiny has continued to perform at a high level into their late 30s, while the other has only performed at high levels when not under that same scrutiny, regardless of their chronological age.

 

[Claude]

That's Fedor armbar in a drill that everybody uses before training in every judo and bjj academy, just to warm up the hips, not realistic and the uke is not putting resistance and leaving space on purpose.
Cormier has the elbows in, is ready to follow the hips if they move outside the centerline and is not leaving space.
Barnett actually made a whole dvd about it, watch it https://www.budovideos.com/products/attacking-the-guard-dvd-by-josh-barnett


Barnett having a triangle means nothing if he doesn't control the posture, Cormier is "watching the ceiling", he is not in danger.


Just having this debate is insanity, every guy that is in a closed guard would be in danger if Cormier was in danger in those pics.
Pure hypothetical fantasy speculation by the blind nut hugger.

lmao

Fedor is clearly explaining how to armbar from guard. He's explaining technique. He's talking about arm and leg position, etc. He's even talking about ground n pound. That's to be used in actual fights. A drill is often used to improve agility.

These are drills from guard:



This isn't a drill:



Warm up the hips...lolololol

You just lost the little credibility you had left with that statement.

Cheers.

 

[Claude]

Even more impressive, DC started mma past his physical prime. It’s been stated many times that a good amount of training injuries in mma come from wrestling. Again, the guy wasn’t playing paddy cake as a world class wrestler. He wasn’t exactly a fresh body coming into mma at 30. At 30 years old, not only are you already a little old to start a new sport, but add the fact that dude had already been wrestling for almost 20 years at that point, he is not exactly a fresh 38 year old fighter.

Nobody said he was "fresh", but his MMA wear and tear (which differs from wrestling wear and tear), was subtantially less than Fedor's and Nogueira's at the same age and that just can't be ignored.

Furthermore wrestling is a great base for MMA and gives fighters tons of advantages compared to someone with a pure striking background. An elite wrestler making the jump to MMA at an older age still has a good chance to be competitive at a high level. Some examples:

-Randy: Started MMA at 34 and he was winning belts in his 40's.
-Henderson started at 27 and he was winning titles in his late 30's (even on TRT, not everybody ages that well)
-Liddell: Started at 29. He peaked around his mid 30's.
-Coleman: Started in his early 30's, peaked around his mid-late 30's.
-Matt Lindland: Started at 27, peaked around his mid 30's.
-Carwin started at 30, peaked around his mid 30's.

On the other hand you have guys starting earlier declining earlier:

-Rampage: Started at 21, far past his prime in his late 30's.
-Rashad started at 25, far past his prime at 38
-Tito: Started at 22, far past prime in his mid-late 30's
-Hughes: Started at 25, past prime in his mid 30's
-Sonnen: Started at 20, past prime in his late 30's
-Hendricks: Started at 24, past prime in his mid 30's

See how often fighters who start in their late 20's or early 30's are still competitive in their mid-late 30's, while fighters who start in their mid-early 20's are often past prime at mid-late 30's?

So is it really surprising that Cormier is competitive in his late 30's, when he started at 30?

Or course this is not a rule. There are a lot of factors to consider such as fight schedules, PED's, injuries, etc. And there are also fighters who have unusual longevity or lack thereof, but usually, it's not rare to see a fighter who started in his 30's to be competitive in his mid or late 30's.

You're suggesting Cormier's is still competitive because of how good he is, but as shown above, his fight age is nothing extraordinary. Not to mention DC has taken plenty of damage already; he's been hurt and knocked down several times already, so if there's anything keeping him on top it's not how good he is skill-wise, but how good his chin is.

Cheers.

Knee injuries, kidney failure, thousands of hours of mat time, hundreds of weight cuts, 13+ years of competition at the highest level. The S&C of elite wrestling is at least as grueling if not more. Less concussions, obviously, but if we're just talking about miles on the body, would be absurd to argue DC came into the sport as some kind of fresh 30 year old.

Post above goes for you as well.

 

[Bubblun]

lmao

Fedor is clearly explaining how to armbar from guard. He's explaining technique. He's talking about arm and leg position, etc. He's even talking about ground n pound. That's to be used in actual fights. A drill is often used to improve agility.

These are drills from guard:



This isn't a drill:



Warm up the hips...lolololol

You just lost the little credibility you had left with that statement.

Cheers.

Have you seen the space his partner leaves to him to go to the armbar and not doing resistance?
Against Hong Man Choi that could work, Cormier was low and tight in the pictures you posted, not going to work buddy.


This is Ricardo Liborio showing the armbar defence



At 30 seconds you could see Liborio following the hips, you better believe that Cormier knows that, like every other decent fighter in 2018, and notice how Liborio has inside control exactly like Cormier did.

Now, since you made a whole thread about this, explain to us what Cormier is doing wrong in the pictures you posted and what should be the correct posture to have in the closed guard (this should be fun).


It's funny how you picked Cormier for this huge shit of a thread, because the guy was ultra conservative in Barnett guard and very cautious not to expose himself.
But you probably just watched Fedor teaching an armbar during a seminar and since you are dumb as a rock, you decided to make a thread trashing Cormier in favor of your boy Fedor.
You could have literally choosed any other fighter in the fucking world since Cormeir was having the correct posture to have in the closed guard.
As an example

you could have used Jones elbowing someone from the guard since he exposes himself a lot more doing that, meanwhile Cormier was as safe as you can possibly be.
But you are an idiot and full of shit, and Cormier was the sacrifical victim you picked to idolatrize your hero Fedor.

 

[Claude]

Have you seen the space his partner leaves to him to go to the armbar and not doing resistance?
Against Hong Man Choi that could work, Cormier was low on closed in the pictures you posted, not going to work buddy.


This is Ricardo Liborio showing armbar defence



At 30 seconds you could see Liborio following the hips, you better believe that Cormier knows that, like every other decent fighter in 2018, and notice how Liborio has inside control exactly like Cormier did.

Now, since you made a whole thread about this, explain to us what Cormier is doing wrong in the pictures you posted and what should be the correct posture to have in the closed guard (this should be fun).

It's over. You called Fedor teaching armbars a hip warm up.

Your credibility is zero.

Until you take that back you won't be getting any serious answers from me.

Cheers.

 

[Bubblun]

It's over. You called Fedor teaching armbars a hip warm up.

Your credibility is zero.

Until you take that back you won't be getting any serious answers from me.

Cheers.

So are you chickening out?


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