5 nightmare HW match-ups for Daniel Cormier (past & present)

[Gregoire1]

I think Fedor, CroCop and Werdum should be favored against DC with Ubereem 50/50 fight and Nog should be underdog.

 

[IloveTHIS]

Primo Mirko on all the sauce would be a hell of a problem for him

 

[Claude]

DC would absolutely blast Nog, Reem and Werdum

Fedor and CC would be tough matchups stylistically

Not sure how he would beat Nog when he rests on top like this

Nog would control his wrists and would abuse him with triangles, armbars and kimura attempts, and nothing we've ever seen from DC suggests he can defefend those from an elite bjj fighter. In fact, it's all the opposite. He often leaves one arm inside and one outside, or rests his arm over his opponent's torso while he punches with the other hand. That's a recipe for disaster vs. Nog.

And sprawl and brawl would work if he had great cardio (like Nog) and a good striking defense (which he doesn't have).

 

[Khabib Fan]

In no particular order:

1-Antonio Nogueira circa 2001-2005

An elite bjj fighter with an iron chin, decent boxing and insane cardio? Well that sounds scary. People used to say Nogueira didn’t lose fights, he just ran out of time, and for a good reason.

Good luck at trying to GnP Nog’s iron chin and not getting subbed in the process. No doubt DC could take Nog down but he would pretty much be playing in a mousetrap the whole time. Some of his habits on the ground such as resting his extended arms on top of his opponents’ torso or leaving one arm in while in guard could easily get him subbed (more on that later).

Fedor was shaking off triangles and kimuras all the time while on Nogueira''s guard. Cormier simply doesn't have the awareness nor technique do do that.

DC’s best bet would probably be to sprawl and brawl (kinda like Fedor did in their 3rd fight), however Nogueira, while not heavy handed, had pretty decent boxing (outstruck guys like Kharitonov), while Cormier’s striking is pretty basic; he's flat footed and has a sloppy defense, albeit a hard hitter. Nog would be mixing both strikes and TD's which could led to more openings.

Cardio would no doubt be a key factor. DC doesn’t have great cardio (gassed in 2 rounds vs. Jones, gassed in a 3 round fight vs. Anderson Silva) while Nogueira had amazing cardio and could wear DC down.

Fedor trying to finish a Terminator:

2-Mirko Crocop circa 2003-2006

An elite striker with killer takedown defense? Sounds like a wrestler’s worst nightmare. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Mirko would have been the worst possible match-up for DC in the history of the sport.

Forget about the head kicks (which DC loves eating). Cormier’s poor defense and ability to take body shots is about the worst weakness you can have against Crocop. It’s not like Cormier just got caught once or twice, he’s actually not good at defending body shots at all.

Seriously, when an old and out of prime Anderson Silva can make scream from pain with a left body kick, you should thank the universe you never had to fight a prime Mirko Crocop.

Somebody please tell Cormier how to defend body kicks:

I forgot the sport has evolved so much, fighters now don’t defend body kicks, they just take them like men.

Now DC has heavy hands and could catch Mirko ala Kevin Randleman, but honestly chances would be very slim. DC isn’t nearly as fast or explosive as Kevin was. He's slower and more flat footed, which makes him an easier target for strikes. Getting his head or liver kicked into oblivion seems a lot more likely.

3-Ubereem / Econoreem

Do I really need to explain anything here?

Reem has the TD defense and his striking is miles above DC's. Sure Overeem’s chin can always betray him, but DC getting kneed and body kicked to oblivion seems a lot more likely.

4-Fabricio Werdum

The man who subbed Fedor, Cain and KO’d Mark Hunt. Nuff said.

With that world class bjj, Werdum’s guard is pretty much the last place on earth Cormier should want to be. To make it worse, the dude is also a very capable striker:

Standing or on the ground, Cormier has no place to hide.

5- Fedor Emelianenko circa 2003-2006

We all know DC is a black prime Fedor



but with inferior striking, speed, reflexes, timing, elusiveness, agressivenes, pace, transitions, chin, cardio, sweeps, subs, sub defense,"heart", and the list goes on. Who the hell named DC black Fedor?

The stand-up isn't even close. Fedor fought and outstruck several elite strikers. Considering all of the above, DC having his way with Fedor in the stand-up is simply wishful thinking. He would most likely get overwhelmed, hurt and dropped.

Now DC could take Fedor down (or slam him on his head, doesn't matter). The problem is, DC tends to leave himself opened for subs when on top.

Leaving his arms like this for instance could get him armbarred quickly:

One arm in next to his opponent's head.

This was 2 seconds before Coleman got armbarred:

Cormier's arm doesn't even need to be that deep. This is Fedor's armbar starting position:

Now you might say DC has better sub defense than Coleman (does he?), but that's irrelevant. If he leaves his arms like that he gets armbarred just like him.

Standing or on the ground Fedor was simply just too much for DC to handle. He had a lot more weapons at his disposal. DC's best bet would be to LnP Fedor and avoid the subs/sweeps, but given his habits on the ground that's simply not likely.

Honorable mention: Stipe Miocic. He has the size, reach, leverage and striking, but unlike the fighters above, he's unproven against elite wrestlers. His strengths seem to match-up well with DC's weaknesses, but it's unknown whether he can sprawl and brawl properly, or like many other strikers vs. wrestler fights, he's going to worry too much about TD's and get careless in the stand-up.

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Bottom line:

There's no denying Daniel Comier proved himself to be a top heavyweight, defeating top fighters like Antonio Silva and Josh Barnett to win the Strikeforce Grand Prix. That being said, he never really fought the best HW's in the world at the time (Overeem, Werdum, Cain, JDS).

Some people even think Cormier was too good for the HW division, but I think the reason he has been doing so well is in fact that he’s NOT fighting at HW; not getting punched, kneed and body kicked by some of the guys mentioned above and others.

Hopefuly he'll move up again soon.

I like the way you ended that. So, you're saying you want to see him get beat down. Nice.

 

[Bubblun]

Not sure how he would beat Nog when he rests on top like this

Nog would control his wrists and would abuse him with triangles, armbars and kimura attempts, and nothing we've ever seen from DC suggests he can defefend those from an elite bjj fighter. In fact, it's all the opposite. He often leaves one arm inside and one outside, or rests his arm over his opponent's torso while he punches with the other hand. That's a recipe for disaster vs. Nog.

And sprawl and brawl would work if he had great cardio (like Nog) and a good striking defense (which he doesn't have).

There is a reason why you don't see guys trying to control the opponents's wrists from bottom guard, because they would get beat up!

This is how you DON'T want to control someone from the guard, a bad habit from jiu jitsu

You have to grab that head!




This is how you triangle someone after controlling his posture





Cormier is a brown belt in jiu jitsu, trains under Leandro Vieira from Checkmat, one of the best team in the world, has grappled with guys like Buchecha and Lucas Leite, nobody is going to submit him from the guard.
Even more so because he has no idea to put himself in unnecessary danger, you could literally stay with your hands like this

and your elbows in and nobody is going to triangle or armbar you from the guard.


But you never trained a day in your life and you are blind nut hugger, so what do you know about that.

 

[Claude]

There is a reason why you don't see guys trying to control the opponents's wrists from bottom guard, because they would get beat up!

This is how you DON'T want to control someone from the guard, a bad habit from jiu jitsu

You have to grab that head!




This is how you triangle someone after controlling his posture





Cormier is a brown belt in jiu jitsu, trains under Ricardo Viera from Checkmat, one of the best team in the world, has grappled with guys like Buchecha and Lucas Leite, nobody is going to submit him from the guard.
Even more so because he has no idea to put himself in unnecessary danger, you could literally stay with your hands like this

and your elbows in and nobody is going to triangle or armbar you from the guard.


But you never trained a day in your life and you are blind nut hugger, so what do you know about that.

lol ^

-DC doesn't have Fedor's GnP. When have you ever seen DC attacking like that?
-Nogueira didn't give a crap about getting beat up.
-He had some good sub attempts by controllnig Fedor's wrists. Eg:

You need to learn what fighters you're talking about. Nog isn't your average local bjj school fighter.

Training with elite bjj fighters does not necessarilly make you good at defending subs. Countless fighters with top notch bjj teachers have been tapped out. Cain got subbed. Anderson got subbed. Fedor got subbed. Jones got his arm hyperextended for leaving it where he shouldn't (like DC often does).

Sorry, but training camp =/= real fight. If training with top level bjj fighters was all it takes to avoid being subbed then no fighter from any decent training camp would ever get subbed.

Comier's sub awareness is very poor, even against guys who do have subs like Barnett or A. Silva. It's a habit. It's not something he's conscious about.

Elbows in and no sub? Except DC doesn't do that, and again Nog would create sub openings. Look at the gif above how he pushed Fedor's right arm out so he could throw his leg up.

lol, keep thinking avoiding subs from a world class bjj fighter is that simple. Keep fantasizing about DC being on Fedor's and Nog's level.

Cheers.

 

[Bubblun]

lol ^

-DC doesn't have Fedor's GnP. When have you ever seen DC attacking like that?
-Nogueira didn't give a crap about getting beat up.
-He had some good sub attempts by controllnig Fedor's wrists. Eg:

You need to learn what fighters you're talking about. Nog isn't your average local bjj school fighter.

Training with elite bjj fighters does not necessarilly make you good at defending subs. Countless fighters with top notch bjj teachers have been tapped out. Cain got subbed. Anderson got subbed. Fedor got subbed. Jones got his arm hyperextended for leaving it where he shouldn't (like DC often does).

Sorry, but training camp =/= real fight.

Comier's sub awareness is very poor, even against guys who do have subs like Barnett or A. Silva. It's a habit. It's not something he's conscious about.

Elbows in and no sub? Except DC doesn't do that, and again Nog would create sub openings. Look at the gif above how he pushed Fedor's right arm out so he could throw his leg up. Keep thinking avoiding subs from a world class bjj fighter is that simple. Keep fantasizing about DC being on Fedor's and Nog's level, lol.

Cheers.

Dude, you never trained a day in you life, you don't know what you are talking about, stop.

What you call "poor sub awareness" is actually called "having inside control", you fucking idiot.

 

[michi972]

In no particular order:

1-Antonio Nogueira circa 2001-2005

An elite bjj fighter with an iron chin, decent boxing and insane cardio? Well that sounds scary. People used to say Nogueira didn’t lose fights, he just ran out of time, and for a good reason.

Good luck at trying to GnP Nog’s iron chin and not getting subbed in the process. No doubt DC could take Nog down but he would pretty much be playing in a mousetrap the whole time. Some of his habits on the ground such as resting his extended arms on top of his opponents’ torso or leaving one arm in while in guard could easily get him subbed (more on that later).

Fedor was shaking off triangles and kimuras all the time while on Nogueira''s guard. Cormier simply doesn't have the awareness nor technique do do that.

DC’s best bet would probably be to sprawl and brawl (kinda like Fedor did in their 3rd fight), however Nogueira, while not heavy handed, had pretty decent boxing (outstruck guys like Kharitonov), while Cormier’s striking is pretty basic; he's flat footed and has a sloppy defense, albeit a hard hitter. Nog would be mixing both strikes and TD's which could led to more openings.

Cardio would no doubt be a key factor. DC doesn’t have great cardio (gassed in 2 rounds vs. Jones, gassed in a 3 round fight vs. Anderson Silva) while Nogueira had amazing cardio and could wear DC down.

Fedor trying to finish a Terminator:

2-Mirko Crocop circa 2003-2006

An elite striker with killer takedown defense? Sounds like a wrestler’s worst nightmare. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Mirko would have been the worst possible match-up for DC in the history of the sport.

Forget about the head kicks (which DC loves eating). Cormier’s poor defense and ability to take body shots is about the worst weakness you can have against Crocop. It’s not like Cormier just got caught once or twice, he’s actually not good at defending body shots at all.

Seriously, when an old and out of prime Anderson Silva can make scream from pain with a left body kick, you should thank the universe you never had to fight a prime Mirko Crocop.

Somebody please tell Cormier how to defend body kicks:

I forgot the sport has evolved so much, fighters now don’t defend body kicks, they just take them like men.

Now DC has heavy hands and could catch Mirko ala Kevin Randleman, but honestly chances would be very slim. DC isn’t nearly as fast or explosive as Kevin was. He's slower and more flat footed, which makes him an easier target for strikes. Getting his head or liver kicked into oblivion seems a lot more likely.

3-Ubereem / Econoreem

Do I really need to explain anything here?

Reem has the TD defense and his striking is miles above DC's. Sure Overeem’s chin can always betray him, but DC getting kneed and body kicked to oblivion seems a lot more likely.

4-Fabricio Werdum

The man who subbed Fedor, Cain and KO’d Mark Hunt. Nuff said.

With that world class bjj, Werdum’s guard is pretty much the last place on earth Cormier should want to be. To make it worse, the dude is also a very capable striker:

Standing or on the ground, Cormier has no place to hide.

5- Fedor Emelianenko circa 2003-2006

We all know DC is a black prime Fedor



but with inferior striking, speed, reflexes, timing, elusiveness, agressivenes, pace, transitions, chin, cardio, sweeps, subs, sub defense,"heart", and the list goes on. Who the hell named DC black Fedor?

The stand-up isn't even close. Fedor fought and outstruck several elite strikers. Considering all of the above, DC having his way with Fedor in the stand-up is simply wishful thinking. He would most likely get overwhelmed, hurt and dropped.

Now DC could take Fedor down (or slam him on his head, doesn't matter). The problem is, DC tends to leave himself opened for subs when on top.

Leaving his arms like this for instance could get him armbarred quickly:

One arm in next to his opponent's head.

This was 2 seconds before Coleman got armbarred:

Cormier's arm doesn't even need to be that deep. This is Fedor's armbar starting position:

Now you might say DC has better sub defense than Coleman (does he?), but that's irrelevant. If he leaves his arms like that he gets armbarred just like him.

Standing or on the ground Fedor was simply just too much for DC to handle. He had a lot more weapons at his disposal. DC's best bet would be to LnP Fedor and avoid the subs/sweeps, but given his habits on the ground that's simply not likely.

Honorable mention: Stipe Miocic. He has the size, reach, leverage and striking, but unlike the fighters above, he's unproven against elite wrestlers. His strengths seem to match-up well with DC's weaknesses, but it's unknown whether he can sprawl and brawl properly, or like many other strikers vs. wrestler fights, he's going to worry too much about TD's and get careless in the stand-up.

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Bottom line:

There's no denying Daniel Comier proved himself to be a top heavyweight, defeating top fighters like Antonio Silva and Josh Barnett to win the Strikeforce Grand Prix. That being said, he never really fought the best HW's in the world at the time (Overeem, Werdum, Cain, JDS).

Some people even think Cormier was too good for the HW division, but I think the reason he has been doing so well is in fact that he’s NOT fighting at HW; not getting punched, kneed and body kicked by some of the guys mentioned above and others.

Hopefuly he'll move up again soon.

Stipe, Werdum, Cro Cop are bad matchups for him.

 

[Area809]

Fedor’s and CroCop’s chances diminish considerably if these hypothetical matchups took place in a cage.

 

[Area809]

Worth mentioning that all these fighters were in their primes during their 20’s and early 30’s. DC is nearing 40 and still at the top of his game. Everyone is essentially comparing a bunch of young whipper snappers to a middle aged man. Think about that—that’s how good DC is.

 

[Workaholic]

Not sure how he would beat Nog when he rests on top like this

Nog would control his wrists and would abuse him with triangles, armbars and kimura attempts, and nothing we've ever seen from DC suggests he can defefend those from an elite bjj fighter. In fact, it's all the opposite. He often leaves one arm inside and one outside, or rests his arm over his opponent's torso while he punches with the other hand. That's a recipe for disaster vs. Nog.

And sprawl and brawl would work if he had great cardio (like Nog) and a good striking defense (which he doesn't have).

Ground and pound is pretty irrelevant when he'd knock Nog out on the feet just as easily as Mir and Cain did

Defending punches with your face is a terrible idea against a guy as fast as DC

Also lol at wrist control and what you describe as "one arm in one out". This isn't 2006 anymore

 

[Claude]

Dude, you never trained a day in you life, you don't know what you are talking about, stop.

What you call "poor sub awareness" is actually called "having inside control", you fucking idiot.

I can see you're triggered now.

It's amusing to see you didn't adress any of my points above. But that's OK, I know you have no rebuttal.

By poor sub awareness I'm specifically talking about when he rests one of his arms on his opponent's torso. Perhaps you can't see it well in that picture but he's often resting his right arm on Barnett's chest while punching with the other.



And he did that earlier in the fight as well. It's amazing how many times he left one of his arms laying around while punching with the other. He's lucky Barnett ain't Fedor.



And allow me to remind you that you think having a bjj brown belt and training with high level coaches is enough for a fighter not to get subbed from guard by an elite bjj fighter, so I think you should question your own knowledge before you question mine.

Cheers.

 

[Charnel2500]

Bullsh@t
Only Miocic, Cain maybe JDS

 

[Claude]

Fedor’s and CroCop’s chances diminish considerably if these hypothetical matchups took place in a cage.

Hard to tell. We never saw the versions of Fedor and CrocCop I'm talking about in a cage.

I don't attribute their losses to the cage.

 

[Claude]

Worth mentioning that all these fighters were in their primes during their 20’s and early 30’s. DC is nearing 40 and still at the top of his game. Everyone is essentially comparing a bunch of young whipper snappers to a middle aged man. Think about that—that’s how good DC is.

Actually that doesn't tell how good DC is.

DC started MMA at 30. When they were 30 Fedor had over 25 fights and Nog had over 30 fights.

Age =/= fight age

DC has less mileage and wear and tear, that's all. Couture also started MMA late, thus he was able to stay competitive at an older age.

 

[Claude]

Ground and pound is pretty irrelevant when he'd knock Nog out on the feet just as easily as Mir and Cain did

Defending punches with your face is a terrible idea against a guy as fast as DC

Also lol at wrist control and what you describe as "one arm in one out". This isn't 2006 anymore

This entire post screams newb.

Nothing needs to be adressed here.

 

[smart.feller]

Fedor "in his prime" would've beaten DC...right...So Fedor, who we can all admit is at least 7 years past his prime (when the three fight skid started) would've put him at 34 years old...DC, who is currently at the top of his game is currently 38 year old...by this logic, DC would've been out of his prime 3 years ago, yet he is still arguably the best (clean) fighter in the world.

Cormier has aged like wine, Fedor has aged like milk. At the same age, Fedor was losing to Hendo, Werdum, and Bigfoot while DC was beating Mir, Big Country, Hendo. DC is the better HW, hands-down.

 

[JBJISGOAT]

In no particular order:

1-Antonio Nogueira circa 2001-2005

An elite bjj fighter with an iron chin, decent boxing and insane cardio? Well that sounds scary. People used to say Nogueira didn’t lose fights, he just ran out of time, and for a good reason.

Good luck at trying to GnP Nog’s iron chin and not getting subbed in the process. No doubt DC could take Nog down but he would pretty much be playing in a mousetrap the whole time. Some of his habits on the ground such as resting his extended arms on top of his opponents’ torso or leaving one arm in while in guard could easily get him subbed (more on that later).

Fedor was shaking off triangles and kimuras all the time while on Nogueira''s guard. Cormier simply doesn't have the awareness nor technique do do that.

DC’s best bet would probably be to sprawl and brawl (kinda like Fedor did in their 3rd fight), however Nogueira, while not heavy handed, had pretty decent boxing (outstruck guys like Kharitonov), while Cormier’s striking is pretty basic; he's flat footed and has a sloppy defense, albeit a hard hitter. Nog would be mixing both strikes and TD's which could led to more openings.

Cardio would no doubt be a key factor. DC doesn’t have great cardio (gassed in 2 rounds vs. Jones, gassed in a 3 round fight vs. Anderson Silva) while Nogueira had amazing cardio and could wear DC down.

Fedor trying to finish a Terminator:

2-Mirko Crocop circa 2003-2006

An elite striker with killer takedown defense? Sounds like a wrestler’s worst nightmare. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say Mirko would have been the worst possible match-up for DC in the history of the sport.

Forget about the head kicks (which DC loves eating). Cormier’s poor defense and ability to take body shots is about the worst weakness you can have against Crocop. It’s not like Cormier just got caught once or twice, he’s actually not good at defending body shots at all.

Seriously, when an old and out of prime Anderson Silva can make scream from pain with a left body kick, you should thank the universe you never had to fight a prime Mirko Crocop.

Somebody please tell Cormier how to defend body kicks:

I forgot the sport has evolved so much, fighters now don’t defend body kicks, they just take them like men.

Now DC has heavy hands and could catch Mirko ala Kevin Randleman, but honestly chances would be very slim. DC isn’t nearly as fast or explosive as Kevin was. He's slower and more flat footed, which makes him an easier target for strikes. Getting his head or liver kicked into oblivion seems a lot more likely.

3-Ubereem / Econoreem

Do I really need to explain anything here?

Reem has the TD defense and his striking is miles above DC's. Sure Overeem’s chin can always betray him, but DC getting kneed and body kicked to oblivion seems a lot more likely.

4-Fabricio Werdum

The man who subbed Fedor, Cain and KO’d Mark Hunt. Nuff said.

With that world class bjj, Werdum’s guard is pretty much the last place on earth Cormier should want to be. To make it worse, the dude is also a very capable striker:

Standing or on the ground, Cormier has no place to hide.

5- Fedor Emelianenko circa 2003-2006

We all know DC is a black prime Fedor



but with inferior striking, speed, reflexes, timing, elusiveness, agressivenes, pace, transitions, chin, cardio, sweeps, subs, sub defense,"heart", and the list goes on. Who the hell named DC black Fedor?

The stand-up isn't even close. Fedor fought and outstruck several elite strikers. Considering all of the above, DC having his way with Fedor in the stand-up is simply wishful thinking. He would most likely get overwhelmed, hurt and dropped.

Now DC could take Fedor down (or slam him on his head, doesn't matter). The problem is, DC tends to leave himself opened for subs when on top.

Leaving his arms like this for instance could get him armbarred quickly:

One arm in next to his opponent's head.

This was 2 seconds before Coleman got armbarred:

Cormier's arm doesn't even need to be that deep. This is Fedor's armbar starting position:

Now you might say DC has better sub defense than Coleman (does he?), but that's irrelevant. If he leaves his arms like that he gets armbarred just like him.

Standing or on the ground Fedor was simply just too much for DC to handle. He had a lot more weapons at his disposal. DC's best bet would be to LnP Fedor and avoid the subs/sweeps, but given his habits on the ground that's simply not likely.

Honorable mention: Stipe Miocic. He has the size, reach, leverage and striking, but unlike the fighters above, he's unproven against elite wrestlers. His strengths seem to match-up well with DC's weaknesses, but it's unknown whether he can sprawl and brawl properly, or like many other strikers vs. wrestler fights, he's going to worry too much about TD's and get careless in the stand-up.

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Bottom line:

There's no denying Daniel Comier proved himself to be a top heavyweight, defeating top fighters like Antonio Silva and Josh Barnett to win the Strikeforce Grand Prix. That being said, he never really fought the best HW's in the world at the time (Overeem, Werdum, Cain, JDS).

Some people even think Cormier was too good for the HW division, but I think the reason he has been doing so well is in fact that he’s NOT fighting at HW; not getting punched, kneed and body kicked by some of the guys mentioned above and others.

Hopefuly he'll move up again soon.

Here is the problem, is your #2 going to be juiced or non juiced? In the USADA era, CC wouldn't even make it to the fight because he would be flagged immediately! And LOL and putting Stipe hon mention below Nog and Fedor.

These types of threads are so predictable, same people will comment and like each other commens...fedorists lol. Not sure why you guys are so insecure?

 

[JBJISGOAT]

He would ragodoll Nog. Then he would get subbed.

That's about it.

Has DC ever been subbed in his entire MMA career? Answer is NO!

Even though he fought BJJ greats like Mir (who subbed Nog btw), Anderson Silva, Barnett, and Monson and was NEVER close to being subbed. But he is going to get subbed by Nog for sure lol.

That's about it.

 

[Area809]

Actually that doesn't tell how good DC is.

DC started MMA at 30. When they were 30 Fedor had over 25 fights and Nog had over 30 fights.

Age =/= fight age

DC has less mileage and wear and tear, that's all. Couture also started MMA late, thus he was able to stay competitive at an older age.

DC and Couture might not have had the head trauma accumulation, but wrestling isn’t necessarily playing paddy cake. In particular, DC came into mma with more old injuries than your typical novices. Sure, they were new to mma, but they came with a lifetime of high level training from an intense, physical sport.