How Bitter Are the Gracies?

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I was born when Pride was going on so didn;t know much about the early days. Royce for sure did A LOT for MMA but once people were privy to BJJ they kinda fell off. Even in Pride Sakuraba humbles many Gracies. I watches Sakuraba vs Ryan Gracie and they had Renzo announce the fight and talk about how injured Ryan was. He walks out 50% tape more than human (seemed like they wanted to exaggerate the injury if there is a loss). Then there are a lot of dirty stuff they've done like Royce kneeing Shamrock in the balls then being proud despite the clear replay.
 
How can they be bitter? They are very successful businessmen, living the dream life, very successful at jujitsu and mma. Highly respected and will always be remembered.
Their invincibility was just a business gimmick that paid off very very well.
Your next post should be about Dana White being bitter and broken. We are waiting.
 
How can they be bitter? They are very successful businessmen, living the dream life, very successful at jujitsu and mma. Highly respected and will always be remembered.
Their invincibility was just a business gimmick that paid off very very well.
Your next post should be about Dana White being bitter and broken. We are waiting.


...they're pretty damn bitter. hence, the (recent) wallid ismail shit and etc.
 
I kind of chuckle, because I came in to MMA with UFC I.

I remember buying all the Gracie Video Tapes, with Rorion going on-and-on about "The Gracie Dynasty."

There is no more "Gracie Dynasty," only martial arts instructors in dojo's these days.

They had a good thing going, and their influence is unmistakable. However, as athletes, they're basically nothing (with a few exceptions).

They were basically bullies, but they did open the entire martial arts world to ground grappling. However, their striking is so bad, their standup is so outdated, that they cannot compete with just their "system."

The truth is there are better men, and better athletes all over the world — and, contrary to their dogma, and elite striker can knock the daylights out of a grappler, when they learn enough anti-grappling to keep things on their feet.

I'd say, right now, Khabib's Dagestanian mix of combat-Sambo, judo, and wrestling is the most perfect "style" right now today. However, Khabib is also a specimen for this style, and not everyone can implement it.

This is why professionals have A TEAM of coaches now, teaching more than one style, and tailoring specific teaching to each unique student. The Gracie's belief that "their style" is the best is a thing of the past.

In fact, other than Oliviera, almost no one uses guard-based BJJ anymore.

In today's advanced understanding of MMA, some combination of wrestling, Muay Thai, boxing, and domineering grappling styles (not passive grappling styles) are required to win, tailored to the individual's unique talents.
 
I kind of chuckle, because I came in to MMA with UFC I.

I remember buying all the Gracie Video Tapes, with Rorion going on-and-on about "The Gracie Dynasty."

There is no more "Gracie Dynasty," only martial arts instructors in dojo's these days.

They had a good thing going, and their influence is unmistakable. However, as athletes, they're basically nothing (with a few exceptions).

They were basically bullies, but they did open the entire martial arts world to ground grappling. However, their striking is so bad, their standup is so outdated, that they cannot compete with just their "system."

The truth is there are better men, and better athletes all over the world — and, contrary to their dogma, and elite striker can knock the daylights out of a grappler, when they learn enough anti-grappling to keep things on their feet.

I'd say, right now, Khabib's Dagestanian mix of combat-Sambo, judo, and wrestling is the most perfect "style" right now today. However, Khabib is also a specimen for this style, and not everyone can implement it.

This is why professionals have A TEAM of coaches now, teaching more than one style, and tailoring specific teaching to each unique student. The Gracie's belief that "their style" is the best is a thing of the past.

In fact, other than Oliviera, almost no one uses guard-based BJJ anymore.

In today's advanced understanding of MMA, some combination of wrestling, Muay Thai, boxing, and domineering grappling styles (not passive grappling styles) are required to win, tailored to the individual's unique talents.
Fuck off, you started watching MMA Friday, Sherdog never lies.
 
Wasn't Paulo's manager called the Gracie killer in straight BJJ?
 
In all honesty they have no reason to be bitter. Every single gym has a bjj coach so mission accomplished on their end bjj is mainstream
But does every gym have a “certified” GRACIE jiujitsu coach? One that pays licencing fees directly to Rorian?
 
I kind of chuckle, because I came in to MMA with UFC I.

I remember buying all the Gracie Video Tapes, with Rorion going on-and-on about "The Gracie Dynasty."

There is no more "Gracie Dynasty," only martial arts instructors in dojo's these days.

They had a good thing going, and their influence is unmistakable. However, as athletes, they're basically nothing (with a few exceptions).

They were basically bullies, but they did open the entire martial arts world to ground grappling. However, their striking is so bad, their standup is so outdated, that they cannot compete with just their "system."

The truth is there are better men, and better athletes all over the world — and, contrary to their dogma, and elite striker can knock the daylights out of a grappler, when they learn enough anti-grappling to keep things on their feet.

I'd say, right now, Khabib's Dagestanian mix of combat-Sambo, judo, and wrestling is the most perfect "style" right now today. However, Khabib is also a specimen for this style, and not everyone can implement it.

This is why professionals have A TEAM of coaches now, teaching more than one style, and tailoring specific teaching to each unique student. The Gracie's belief that "their style" is the best is a thing of the past.

In fact, other than Oliviera, almost no one uses guard-based BJJ anymore.

In today's advanced understanding of MMA, some combination of wrestling, Muay Thai, boxing, and domineering grappling styles (not passive grappling styles) are required to win, tailored to the individual's unique talents.

anti grappling? Lool idiot. You mean learning grappling to defend grappling...
 
Meanwhile in reality Roger Gracie and Kron Gracie became BJJ legends, Rener and Ryron's prodigy became a UFC title challenger, and Neiman Gracie is an elite MMA fighter.

Gracies are doing just fine.

That's because there is a seemingly endless supply of them. Every time I turn around there are 3 new Gracies I've never heard of before.
 

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