.308 Rifles

[The revenge]

I have a Savage Model 10PC in .308 with 5r barrel. It is the most accurate out of the box bolt rifle I have owned. I shoot it to 800yd and its as accurate and sometimes more accurate than the worked up R700, and its bone stock.
I also own an R700 in 300WM with a 5R barrel. Another very accurate rifle, I shoot it further than 800yd, right at 1200yd. I do have a couple thousand more dollars in the Remington.

 

[WorldofWarcraft]

Yes, Savage rifles are the most accurate out of the box rifles out there.
And they're cheaper than shit.

 

[Winbot]

6cm at 100 is par for the course with a FAL, most accurate FAL I've ever seen was good for maybe 1.5" at 100.

Seriously? only 1.5 on a bench? That kind of sucks I've not had the chance to get my hands on an FAL but that is sort of disappointing especially for such a big heavy barrel.

 

[Jory]

Seriously? only 1.5 on a bench? That kind of sucks I've not had the chance to get my hands on an FAL but that is sort of disappointing especially for such a big heavy barrel.

yeah, 6cm was with iron sights leaning against a wall at 100yards.

I'm certain I could do much better with a proper bench and optics.

Will let you know if I ever get paid and can go buy a decent scope.

 

[Quick Shot xMLx]

yeah, 6cm was with iron sights leaning against a wall at 100yards.

I'm certain I could do much better with a proper bench and optics.

Will let you know if I ever get paid and can go buy a decent scope.

What kind of ammo did you use?

 

[Jory]

What kind of ammo did you use?

generic reloads from a gun show vendor.

I keep forgetting about ammo when I discuss my range reports, but pretty much everything I shoot was made in Russia or the Philippines. I have a few boxes of Winchester .308 cartridges. will take those next time I go and report back.

 

[Tankeraye]

Seriously? only 1.5 on a bench? That kind of sucks I've not had the chance to get my hands on an FAL but that is sort of disappointing especially for such a big heavy barrel.

It's a post-war battle rifle, 1.5-2 MOA is the norm. the only semi-auto .308 platforms where one could reasonably expect MOA from the factory are AR10, (certain DPMS and one or two Armalites) and the M1A (only the higher end factory offerings like the M21 or the Super Match).

Edit: There are a few "Sharpshooter\Sniper" FAL's that might be able to get 1 MOA.

 

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Can you get FAL's re-barreled for sub moa or is it the action that makes them inaccurate.

 

[Winbot]

Can you get FAL's re-barreled for sub moa or is it the action that makes them inaccurate.

I was talking to a buddy about this the other day after being surprised by the accuracy reports of stock fals. He has some experience with them and told me the two largest issues the gun has are its barrel and trigger. He said he had seen a few FAL's shoot 1 moa but that he had never seen one group any better than that. The barrel is apparently not totally floated and the tube can cause some unpredictable accuracy. Shame, I wanted an FAL because I already have 10 FAL mags for my RFB and figured I may as well get the rifle they were built for also but, now I dont feel like there is much point.

 

[Catweiser]

It's a post-war battle rifle, 1.5-2 MOA is the norm. the only semi-auto .308 platforms where one could reasonably expect MOA from the factory are AR10, (certain DPMS and one or two Armalites) and the M1A (only the higher end factory offerings like the M21 or the Super Match).

Edit: There are a few "Sharpshooter\Sniper" FAL's that might be able to get 1 MOA.

yeah you guys are clowning 1.5" for a semi is bloody good. Remember groups= consistent and repeatable not "it shot 0.75" one time"

I love 308s

Scout rifle concept is awesome- 18" barrel 308 with a scope and back up irons pretty much everythings covered.

We get chinese m1a clones for $430.00 up here in Canada were defs ready for apocalypse

 

[snake_vato]

Have a 7.62x39 Saiga, it's alright. I haven't got around to converting it into the more traditional look or even bothered adding the bullet guide to accept all standard capacity AK mags lol.

 

[Roaming East]

I was talking to a buddy about this the other day after being surprised by the accuracy reports of stock fals. He has some experience with them and told me the two largest issues the gun has are its barrel and trigger. He said he had seen a few FAL's shoot 1 moa but that he had never seen one group any better than that. The barrel is apparently not totally floated and the tube can cause some unpredictable accuracy. Shame, I wanted an FAL because I already have 10 FAL mags for my RFB and figured I may as well get the rifle they were built for also but, now I dont feel like there is much point.

The biggest problem with FAL's are that the triggers suck and the ammo most people feed them is surplus from countries with 'stan' in the name. Had a buddy of mine rag on his CAI metric FAL endlessly. Turns out he had been buying whole lots of Indian surplus. Ran some match grade ammo and all of sudden his groups tighten up considerably.


If you want accuracy, you're gonna have to pay for it. Thats the lesson to take away here.

 

[ironwolf]

You could get a remington 700 sps tactical and go from there, thats a decent base gun and before I got my 5r was my long range rifle, I shot it out to 800yds all the time.

If I remember the gun was about 600 bucks, then I threw it in a better stock which was a few hundred more, bedded the trigger block, installed a badger bolt handle and threw on a vortex pst on a basic 20MOA mount and was good to go for about 1200 bucks total.

Thats a great gun and I still have it.

 

[Catweiser]

The biggest problem with FAL's are that the triggers suck and the ammo most people feed them is surplus from countries with 'stan' in the name. Had a buddy of mine rag on his CAI metric FAL endlessly. Turns out he had been buying whole lots of Indian surplus. Ran some match grade ammo and all of sudden his groups tighten up considerably.


If you want accuracy, you're gonna have to pay for it. Thats the lesson to take away here.

or, spend the time reloading. Ive payed off my reloading set up in two years didnt go all out but didnt get the slowest set up either.

Can pump out rounds surprisingly fast and tailor made rounds for MY rifle

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Seriously? only 1.5 on a bench? That kind of sucks I've not had the chance to get my hands on an FAL but that is sort of disappointing especially for such a big heavy barrel.

1.5 cm

That's considerably less than 1 moe.....def not atrocious or anything.

 

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1.5 cm

That's considerably less than 1 moe.....def not atrocious or anything.

He said 1.5" as in " = an inch. 1.5 cm is less than .6 moa which would be incredibly accurate for any rifle besides a custom match rifle.

As a side note most people can't out shoot a moa rifle anyway. While it helps for everything to be the best possible, just because a rifle can shoot .2 moa doesn't mean the shooter can shoot 5 shot groups that well.

 

[Jory]

He said 1.5" as in " = an inch. 1.5 cm is less than .6 moa which would be incredibly accurate for any rifle besides a custom match rifle.

As a side note most people can't out shoot a moa rifle anyway. While it helps for everything to be the best possible, just because a rifle can shoot .2 moa doesn't mean the shooter can shoot 5 shot groups that well.

Which was the original message of the line of discussion.

I shoot about 6cm groups at 100 yards with my FAL, but at that distance, I can cover the whole target with the front sight. Bet I could do better with optics.

I took Tankeraye's comment to mean max accuracy with a FAL is about half that, so I'm doing pretty good for barely seeing the target.

 

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Which was the original message of the line of discussion.

I shoot about 6cm groups at 100 yards with my FAL, but at that distance, I can cover the whole target with the front sight. Bet I could do better with optics.

I took Tankeraye's comment to mean max accuracy with a FAL is about half that, so I'm doing pretty good for barely seeing the target.

Oh yeah definitely, I was just clarifying it for that dude.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

He said 1.5" as in " = an inch. 1.5 cm is less than .6 moa which would be incredibly accurate for any rifle besides a custom match rifle.

As a side note most people can't out shoot a moa rifle anyway. While it helps for everything to be the best possible, just because a rifle can shoot .2 moa doesn't mean the shooter can shoot 5 shot groups that well.

I read it as 1.5 cm at a glance because he referred to the size of his other group in cm's.

 

[Deleted member 409801]

Which was the original message of the line of discussion.

I shoot about 6cm groups at 100 yards with my FAL, but at that distance, I can cover the whole target with the front sight. Bet I could do better with optics.

I took Tankeraye's comment to mean max accuracy with a FAL is about half that, so I'm doing pretty good for barely seeing the target.

A 3" group for any rifle with irons at 100 yards is very respectable